US shoots itself in foot in Pakistan jet deal .

[Kaniska]

Why must we see this as a curse but not as an opportunity. F-16 are like a noose around pakistans neck for decades now. US has leveraged it to achieve their goal and make us look stupid infront of entire world. Just bcz PAF had some imaginary plans that 100 or so F16 will give them a psychological boost doesn't mean it was bound to be true as plan are made to be changed according to the presented scenerio. Pakistanis are like those characters of sesame street who think living in a good quality dustbin or gutter is sign of them being royalty. Seriously one can only cry over this kind of mind set.

On the other hand US was bound to become our enemy in not so long term future bcz of our nukes and our economic association with Chinese. Only an idiot thinks that he can enjoy luxury ride on two VIP boats at the same time and such is situation of us Pakistanis. Such a sorry state of affair to be honest.

Again, you are going by emotions....Do you think your generals are still crazy that they are expecting the F-16 to be part of PAF?...No of course..No...Your Army and Generals are very well aware, that they need US weapons which is the best choice at this point of time...And you have to understand that US is no ones friend not any ones enemy....They even deal with Japan and Australia like close friends on a transactional basis...So why do you think they will be emotionally hooked up with Pakistan if Pakistan does not add any value to them??....We the Asian people always feel emotional in the foreign policy which is not the case with Western nations...

Now, if tomorrow, you can add value to US, it is just business as usual for US to lay you a red carpet for your generals...

 

[Dr Gupta]

@MastanKhan I understand what you mean by paying in advance I share those fears with the sanctioned F-16 you paid for yet they kept for years. Ah yes the look on Obama's face when Netanyahu grilled him was indeed priceless!
Can't beat the Israeli lobby they started this game we can only learn from them.

Why can't you 'pretend' to take action to please them? Is this Dr that important to you guys for principle sake? Just appease them get the jets

 

[iPhone]

Hi,



Now that is the language the U S understands very well---because that is how the dealing is done---. U S does not understand kind and friendly gestures---for it---that is a sign of weakness and STUPIDITY----now you would understand why the Jews treat the americans in such a shi-tty and arrogant manner all the time---that they bit-ch slap them at every opportunity----because this is the language of love the U S understands better and bends over double to make the jews happy.

WTF-----

why is this thread merged with the other----it had nothing to do with that title---the subject matter is totally different---.

@Irfan Baloch @WebMaster @Manticore @HRK

Then perhaps Pakistan was not so wrong to flip the bird to America when relaying the message that we'll go elsewhere, we got the money. If this is the language the US understand, like you said, then a little bit of arrogance was required indeed from Pakistan.

 

[somebozo]

Offcourse only a fool in Pakistani establishment would trust uncle sam..time to time it has been proven that if Pakistan is pushed to corner no one will even raise a voice..take the case of 2014 indo-pak standoff where ISI mole averted any serious escalation of border tension while the world powers did not raise a voice..For Pakistan it is better to consider itself like Germany...to be it..or not to be it...it must survive on its own...

 

[MastanKhan]

My thread is merged without my permission------I am not posting on the board anymore---till this issue is resolved---.

I have also deleted my posts that started the thread. @WebMaster @Irfan Baloch @HRK @Manticore

 

[Dazzler]

Indian members defending the Yankees, never thought I would live to see the day

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Indian members defending the Yankees, never thought I would live to see the day

They only defend them when it's bad for Pakistan . Oh well what can we do?

 

[Rain]

When powre is concentrated in few hands, its become very easy for foreign govts and institutions to twist arms and get the dirty job done with little effort.
Pak establishment must realize that it is time for let the other powers centers grow and share with them the Power. that will make easy to deal with foreign powers.
But alas Kings seldom hear masses!

 

[massattack]

but Americans know very well they just need a telephone call once again when they need to hire us for serving them in some dirty work . in our local language they know our auqaat

actions of few should not be related to the whole nation.. this mind set of painting the actions of few for the rest has got to stop....mind it

 

[Imran Khan]

actions of few should not be related to the whole nation.. this mind set of painting the actions of few for the rest has got to stop....mind it

sari qaum us bheek main se khati hai aik aik luqma kis kis ko boleen ab

 

[Mentee]

My thread is merged without my permission------I am not posting on the board anymore---till this issue is resolved---.

I have also deleted my posts that started the thread. @WebMaster @Irfan Baloch @HRK @Manticore

sir plz don't hurt their petty little egos else, they'll get rid of you one way or the other

sari qaum us bheek main se khati hai aik aik luqma kis kis ko boleen ab

jaan deo ustaad g let bygones be bygones aka mitti pao

 

[Mysticbuddy]

We have hatred for US government and Pentagon and all those warmonger Americans who think they have right to throw bomb and missile any where they like...........whole world shares the same feeling, we are not alone having that.

With all due respect, they are no free rides. We are doing the same job that is needed to be done from Pakistani side. We are paying dearly And have to do the dirty job ourselves. That's not cool

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

With all due respect, they are no free rides. We are doing the same job that is needed to be done from Pakistani side. We are paying dearly And have to do the dirty job ourselves. That's not cool

Whenever Pakistan tries to bring Taliban into mainstream of Afghanistan aka for peace talks, US always sabotage efforts of Pakistan and kill some taliban leader. Why? What US wants to achieve by killing taliban leader? Why US asks Pakistan to fight Afghan Taliban when US itself doesn't consider Afghan Taliban as terrorists and involve in peace process with them. So US itself is willing for peace with talibans but wants Pakistan to fight Afghan Taliban? I am confused.

I want to ask for how long this will continue? You guys are over there in Afghanistan since 2001, what did you achieve except instability? We are tired of this war now, this war seems to be not ending in near future. Don't know whether Taliban leader got killed or innocent person but even if taliban leader got killed, what will happen? Now another Taliban leader will come who will be more hard on you and will resist peace talks and continues to fight, which means more instability in Afghanistan. Don't expect Pakistan to fight like at your pace, we don't have much resources, we are pretty much overstretched.

We have already suffered a lot in this WOT. As a neighboring country of Afghanistan, we want to see Afghanistan stabilized so that we can send 3M afghan refugees back. We are dead serious in bringing peace in Afghanistan and also securing our interests in that volatile country.

I hope things don't escalate too much. No one in Pakistan wants to see this 60 years of relationship with US get deteriorate over arrogance and idiotic policies of US.

Americans are generally very nice and open minded people. We know you very well but your countrymen don't have much clue about Pakistan. Thanks to US media, your people are constantly being brainwashed regarding Pakistan. I feel happy whenever i see any guy from US on this forum, people to people chat/contact are must to avoid differences and misconceptions.

Welcome to this forum.......Peace !!!

 

[singlefighter]

In the modern world no coutry cares about the other country's feeling and desires.if u.s.a is on his way and choose india for his future partnership in region,then Pakistan is also free to choose his own way.don't be over react on F 16 non funding.if pakistan can bye then pay the price fully.but i can bet still Pakistan will not get those jets like 90s we pay then we was under sanctions.so better option go for the chinese 5 th gen fighter and join it.let our engineers get the experience of building a new gen jet and almost after one decade we will able to get our own 5 th gen jets in PAF.always keep the hope alive and keep going on the struggle that is the only respect full manner in the world to live don't beg don't threat others but just do ur best silent then look their reaction on ur success .Pakistan have already so experience of enjoying their military success and opponents mad reviews

 

[Viper0011.]

Seriously we run after USA wangling our tails once they throw us a bone.... We are a shameless nation.

That's why, you need to stick together like a nation, support the development in your country and allow it to grow. That is the ONLY cure to this issue. When you are too dependent on a master, don't complain about it when they treat you like slaves!!!! Learn to become a nation and strengthen yourself economically.....you won't have this issue.