Featured US report explores options for Pakistan-India talks ( Revival of Musharraf Plan)

[Dalit]

yaa US Report written by this Indian libtard leftists reporter:


Happymon Jacob is an associate professor of diplomacy and disarmament at the Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi. He is a columnist with The Hindu, hosts a weekly show on national security at The Wire.in, and is the author of The Line of Control: Travelling with the Indian and Pakistani Armies (2018) and Line on Fire: Ceasefire Violations and India-Pakistan Escalation Dynamics (2019).

Nobody in India gives a **** abt these leftists

Agreed, Mogli. We want war.

 

[Dalit]

No no no the USA for ages has wanted Pakistan to both befriend India and accept India as a regional power to counter China

The USA sees trade and peace talks as a route to that

The U.S dosent completely want to end Pakistan as a counter to India (it dosent want to make the same mistake it did with China where it let it become too powerful) but it wants Pakistan to ease up on India so India can concentrate on China

China knows this and it knows a well armed Pakistan in a strategically placed position is massively in its national interests, hence China is ensuring Pakistan is armed and as recently shown that Indian machinations on GB or Kashmir were countered by Chinese intrusion into LAC

What the US must understand is that we hate the Indians more then anyone

The Americans are in for a complete shocker. Pakistan has changed a lot since the you are with us or against us threat.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

The Americans are in for a complete shocker. Pakistan has changed a lot since the you are with us or against us threat.

Which is why the US will not push it too far this time.

A war imposed on India will lead to the loss of the entire subcontinent to Sino Pak control because the world knows the quality of the Indian military.

 

[Dalit]

Another truck ki bati.

"Liberal" media of Pakistan in another effort for a push to give "India" and diplomacy another chance.
What for. So this time India can declare even Baluchistan under their map!!
Or repels the rights of Indian Muslims under their constitution!!

These aman ki asha Yahoodbhoy's got no chance. They are a dying breed. Let them play their second fiddle role.

 

[ARMalik]

Pure rubbish.

 

[Dalit]

Which is why the US will not push it too far this time.

A war imposed on India will lead to the loss of the entire subcontinent to Sino Pak control because the world knows the quality of the Indian military.

We are ready for all eventualities. Papa America can cry from a distance. No one shed a tear for papa America.

 

[Mentee]

The pseudo liberals will perish pretty soon like not even the president would be in a position to take their advice for a drawing contest.


Right now it's the survival which is at stake and Saudis must understand that unlike Iran India has the required capability to harm our very existence in case our inaction . besides, in this tussle of giants they don't have to pick either side and can stay neutral

 

[AfrazulMandal]

We are ready for all eventualities. Papa America can cry from a distance. No one shed a tear for papa America.

Once I would have trashed your statement and ended my statement with Jai Hind.

Now I would say, fly the Pak flag in Delhi asap. Rub the noses of Sanghis in the ground - else the terrorist ideology masquerading as a religion will bring enormous misery for all people of the world.

 

[Jf Thunder]

why is it that every time India seems to get beat up and in trouble, the USA suddenly gets the urge to start talks between Pakistan and India?
and when India has the upper hand, and is in no trouble, Pakistan's calls for talks fall on deaf ears in Washington as well?

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Agree with what others are saying as an automatic reflex. Every plan forwarded by the USA should be immediately trashed without even reading it.

Pakistan will now solve Pakistan's problem.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

I will sound an immediate word of caution though.

Despite the correct conclusions being drawn on these fora by like-minded well wishers of Pakistan, our leaders are positioned very precariously. Khan may fall for one of these traps. Unfortunately, Pakistan is full of snakes ready to sell our interests for a paltry price. It only takes a few such individuals to wriggle into advisory positions and whisper into his ear. Alternatively, our judiciary is completely sold out as things stand already. Khan must tread cautiously and rise above such machinations.

Lastly - and this doesn't bear thinking about - if PPP or PML-N were ever to return...

 

[waz]

US report explores options for Pakistan-India talks
Anwar IqbalUpdated 09 Aug 2020
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As the first step, the report suggests setting up working groups between India, Pakistan, and the two Kashmirs to manage common interests and tackle common issues. — File photo


WASHINGTON: The Indian government’s insistence on Kashmir being a purely domestic issue is “a fiction maintained only by a large security presence”, says a report released by the US Institute of Peace.

The report by the Washington-based think tank, which is funded by the US Congress, argues that New Delhi’s claim will “be sorely tested by the disaffection that has intensified” among Kashmiris since Aug 5 last year when India illegally annexed the disputed territory.

“New Delhi will increasingly find it hard to manage its narrative about constitutional and political changes ushering in peace to Kashmir. Most indicators of violence in Kashmir have been on the rise since the August 2019 decision,” the report adds.

Arguing that “this untenable situation” will motivate all sides to come to the negotiating table, the report suggests a fresh look at a solution arrived at in 2004-07 by back-channel interlocutors appointed by president Pervez Musharraf and Indian prime minister Manmohan Singh.

The report claims that the four-point formula proposed by president Musharraf and fine-tuned during the subsequent back-channel negotiations, is the best available solution to the Kashmir conflict.

Claims formula proposed by Musharraf is the best available solution to the Kashmir issue

The report then reviews all four points to see if those are still applicable. Self-governance was the first point in this formula, which required both regional and territorial integrity, as was agreed in the Musharraf-Manmohan deal, and special status.

The report acknowledges that India’s Aug 5 decision has undone this option.

But the report claims that demilitarisation of Kashmir, the second main point of the 2004-07 deal, is still possible if both India and Pakistan agree to do so. This would require India to persuade Kashmiris not to take up arms against the Indian state and Pakistan “to curb militant activities along the Line of Control (LoC)”.

The report suggests starting with pilot programmes in some territorial pockets. If those prove successful, demilitarisation could be extended to other parts of Kashmir.

But the report warns that even if Pakistan were “to control militancy on its side, Kashmir might still suffer from attacks launched by indigenous militants”. And widespread disaffection in Kashmir “could play the role of a spoiler for long enough to wreck plans for demilitarisation”, the report adds.

The report also notes that before Aug 5, 2019, some steps were already taken to implement the third element of this formula — allowing the free movement of people and trade between India, Pakistan, and the two Kashmirs.

In February 2005, the two sides formally announced that a bus service would run between Srinagar and Muzaffarabad; the service began in April that year.

A second service, from Poonch to Rawalakot, started just over a year later, in June 2006. This dialogue process eventually led to the beginning, in October 2008, of trade across the LoC; duty-free barter trade for 21 items produced on either side of the divide was allowed.

The report notes that in August 2019 India announced the illegal annexation and now “any future talks based on that formula will be harder to begin”.

The fourth element of the Kashmir formula is the creation of mechanisms to oversee certain less sensitive sectors, such as the environment, on both sides of the LoC.

“Like progress toward the goal of making borders irrelevant, movement toward this objective is also possible if there is political will on both sides,” the report argues.

As the first step, the report suggests setting up working groups between India, Pakistan, and the two Kashmirs to manage common interests and tackle common issues such as trade, tourism, and river waters.

“The third and fourth points of the formula are interrelated; progress toward one would facilitate progress toward the other,” the report adds.

Although the four-point Kashmir formula is far from an ideal basis for resolving the Kashmir conflict, the report argues, “it is, nonetheless, the best available basis” for future talks.

Published in Dawn, August 9th, 2020

https://www.dawn.com/news/1573368/us-report-explores-options-for-pakistan-india-talks

The plan is dead with India's Sanghi overlords who annexed and occupied brutally with the removal of article 370.
The US is also looking to buy time for India with a powerful China, sorry Pakistan doesn't care about this and wants the total opposite.
Pakistan's history has already been in such a situation i.e. the US trying to sort out a peace, due to India facing pressure from China. In 1962 the then president Khan demanded Kashmir from the US in return for not attacking India, and we all know how that turned out, with Kennedy who not only ignored Pakistan but threw his weight being India against China.
No more plans, no nothing.

 

[Longhorn]

According to a news report the Indians, in an effort to drive a wedge between Pakistan and China, have offered back channel talks with Pakistan.
The idea apparently was to start the talks in secret then leak the fact they were happening in order to create the suspicion in Chinese minds that Pakistan was secretly backstabbing China.
The Pakistanis, to their credit have outright rejected these stating that any talks must be out in the open.

 

[waz]

According to a news report the Indians, in an effort to drive a wedge between Pakistan and China, have offered back channel talks with Pakistan.
The idea apparently was to start the talks in secret then leak the fact they were happening in order to create the suspicion in Chinese minds that Pakistan was secretly backstabbing China.
The Pakistanis, to their credit have outright rejected these stating that any talks must be out in the open.

Good reject everything from those filth.

 

[mudas777]

No no no the USA for ages has wanted Pakistan to both befriend India and accept India as a regional power to counter China

The USA sees trade and peace talks as a route to that

The U.S dosent completely want to end Pakistan as a counter to India (it dosent want to make the same mistake it did with China where it let it become too powerful) but it wants Pakistan to ease up on India so India can concentrate on China

China knows this and it knows a well armed Pakistan in a strategically placed position is massively in its national interests, hence China is ensuring Pakistan is armed and as recently shown that Indian machinations on GB or Kashmir were countered by Chinese intrusion into LAC

What the US must understand is that we hate the Indians more then anyone

Did you not known that the India in the strategic talks with the US first condition stipulated was that India will be given free hand on Kashmir and US will keep nose out of Kashmir affairs.
US policy towards Pakistan, is due to weak economy, loans and corruption (add FATF on top now) is always going to be under the US thumps and let India to face down China but India have got their own agenda under the surface. Pakistan can only cry and moan but still be kept on the leash due to financial vulnerabilities. Little that they knew CPEC will actually take off from the drawing board, get rid of chronic electricity shortages in the country and shinny roads pop up and physically China can reach Arabian sea. Now that have spoiled US line of thinking and now US can see Pakistan can possibly be lost to China and now they are using manipulations to slow it down.
What if US is proposing is true then its a lip service and like Palestinian Israel long winded peace process where Israel kept the occupied territories and Palestinians keep on collecting their dead bodies. If US is genuine which I can't believe in a million years, India must rescind the article 370 today and day after lifts the curfew and week latter recall back all the fascists occupying foot soldiers and at the mean time announce the plebiscite month latter under UN no buts and ifs.
All confidence building measures, back channel talks, lifting the curfew and week latter re imposing it again, calling for restraints is just bull crap and no longer acceptable. We can live with the hot border and if China can raise the temperature for a long time and in more areas lets see how Indian economy cannot joins the ranks of Pakistan too.