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[Nilgiri]

 

[Nilgiri]

@Hamartia Antidote

 

[RabzonKhan]

LEAKED SCHEDULES Reveal Donald Trump Only Works About 40% of the Time!

 

[Nilgiri]

The Northam vs Fairfax fight is really turning out to be hillarious . Which is more hypocritical approach by the left when they consume their own like Goya's Saturn?

Past KKK yearbook feelz or selective rejection of #Metoo (BELIEVE ALL WOMEN PERIOD) when its a dumbocrat?

I for one give "support" to all the characters...may this continue good, nasty and as long as possible . May such things get sniffed out and pick up even more in the months to come ...and may the final truth come out in the end of it all. The swing state suburbia is watching intently @Joe Shearer @VCheng @Desert Fox @jbgt90 @OsmanAli98

BTW Joe I propose we continue "that" discussion over here at your leisure....seems most appropriate thread for it.

Anyway to take mind off this blue on blue dumbocrat fight that CNN et al are now in hillarious damage control mode about:

A few musings (not gonna reveal where or who these people are...though it would surprise many how high up the chain they are) on the grapevine...

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The argument will be made that by releasing the classified information, Trump is deliberately compromising the Mueller investigation in ways that hinder further evidence gathering activities by the FBI and the DOJ while they are looking into matters that have not yet been resolved.

The argument will also be made that the document releases will slow or prevent effective investigation and prosecution of the criminal activities of those being investigated.

Those who designed The Insurance Policy and who are now carrying it out with such good effect are experts in using their knowledge of FBI and DOJ agency procedures in ways that make it exceptionally easy to abuse the investigative and prosecutorial power the federal government against someone they don't like.

The Deep State knows this; the Democrats in Congress know this. It is quite likely that if Trump indicates he will be releasing the classified material, Mueller will then state in writing to the AG and to the Congressional Democrats that he considers declassification and release of the classified FISA material to constitute obstruction of justice.

If Donald Trump actually goes through with declassification -- how can he not go through with it and still remain as president to the end of his term -- the act of releasing the FISA material will instantly move the impeachment process into high gear. The order of lawfare battle on each side is fairly evident if you look closely enough.

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So we're fast approaching the GO/NO Go point for the Samson Option and bring the whole corrupt temple down?

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The big battle will come on quickly, but I suspect it will be a long drawn out affair as each side executes its lawfare battle plan and then assesses the subsequent results, making further moves and countermoves as the developing situation dictates.

The Democrats and their allies in the MSM and in the Deep State already have their entire strategy, schedule, and tactical plan mapped out. Its success depends on Trump and his closest advisors taking few if any strong counter measures to defend themselves.

If the classified Spygate material is in fact released at some point, we can predict the Democrats and the MSM will either ignore the content of all that released material, or will blatantly misrepresent what it actually contains.

Whatever happens, the Democrats and the Deep State are completely confident they can bring Trump and his administration down, if not directly through impeachment and a follow-on trial then indirectly by damaging his administration too such an extent politically that it is incapable of carrying out Trump's policy agenda in its last two years.

Suppose Trump counter attacks with everything he's got, deliberately luring his enemies into a lawfare battle which those enemies are certain they can win. And now suppose Trump wins in a protracted lawfare exercise and clearly demonstrates to the voters what kinds illegal methods and means were being used against him.

If it happens this way, will we see Kamala Harris or Michele Obama accusing Trump of collusion with the Russians, assuming one of those two is nominated in the summer of 2020? More probably than not, the Democrats will not let loose of the Russia collusion narrative regardless of what happens between now and November, 2020.
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The Democrats can be summed up as sadistic bastards who use government to break your legs, destroy your livelihood, then congratulate themselves on handing you a few ibuprophen. The sick bastards do it so they can get rich and feel superior to you.

Time to get medieval on their asses. Make that our public message. We will use government to end their killing spree, strip them of their ill-gotten booty, and hand them over to a vengeful public for justice.

 

[Joe Shearer]

We could shift the discussion here; perhaps one of the Mods. will help??

The Northam vs Fairfax fight is really turning out to be hillarious . Which is more hypocritical approach by the left when they consume their own like Goya's Saturn?

Past KKK yearbook feelz or selective rejection of #Metoo (BELIEVE ALL WOMEN PERIOD) when its a dumbocrat?

I for one give "support" to all the characters...may this continue good, nasty and as long as possible . May such things get sniffed out and pick up even more in the months to come ...and may the final truth come out in the end of it all. The swing state suburbia is watching intently @Joe Shearer @VCheng @Desert Fox @jbgt90 @OsmanAli98

BTW Joe I propose we continue "that" discussion over here at your leisure....seems most appropriate thread for it.

Anyway to take mind off this blue on blue dumbocrat fight that CNN et al are now in hillarious damage control mode about:

A few musings (not gonna reveal where or who these people are...though it would surprise many how high up the chain they are) on the grapevine...

=============

The argument will be made that by releasing the classified information, Trump is deliberately compromising the Mueller investigation in ways that hinder further evidence gathering activities by the FBI and the DOJ while they are looking into matters that have not yet been resolved.

The argument will also be made that the document releases will slow or prevent effective investigation and prosecution of the criminal activities of those being investigated.

Those who designed The Insurance Policy and who are now carrying it out with such good effect are experts in using their knowledge of FBI and DOJ agency procedures in ways that make it exceptionally easy to abuse the investigative and prosecutorial power the federal government against someone they don't like.

The Deep State knows this; the Democrats in Congress know this. It is quite likely that if Trump indicates he will be releasing the classified material, Mueller will then state in writing to the AG and to the Congressional Democrats that he considers declassification and release of the classified FISA material to constitute obstruction of justice.

If Donald Trump actually goes through with declassification -- how can he not go through with it and still remain as president to the end of his term -- the act of releasing the FISA material will instantly move the impeachment process into high gear. The order of lawfare battle on each side is fairly evident if you look closely enough.

==========

So we're fast approaching the GO/NO Go point for the Samson Option and bring the whole corrupt temple down?

==============

The big battle will come on quickly, but I suspect it will be a long drawn out affair as each side executes its lawfare battle plan and then assesses the subsequent results, making further moves and countermoves as the developing situation dictates.

The Democrats and their allies in the MSM and in the Deep State already have their entire strategy, schedule, and tactical plan mapped out. Its success depends on Trump and his closest advisors taking few if any strong counter measures to defend themselves.

If the classified Spygate material is in fact released at some point, we can predict the Democrats and the MSM will either ignore the content of all that released material, or will blatantly misrepresent what it actually contains.

Whatever happens, the Democrats and the Deep State are completely confident they can bring Trump and his administration down, if not directly through impeachment and a follow-on trial then indirectly by damaging his administration too such an extent politically that it is incapable of carrying out Trump's policy agenda in its last two years.

Suppose Trump counter attacks with everything he's got, deliberately luring his enemies into a lawfare battle which those enemies are certain they can win. And now suppose Trump wins in a protracted lawfare exercise and clearly demonstrates to the voters what kinds illegal methods and means were being used against him.

If it happens this way, will we see Kamala Harris or Michele Obama accusing Trump of collusion with the Russians, assuming one of those two is nominated in the summer of 2020? More probably than not, the Democrats will not let loose of the Russia collusion narrative regardless of what happens between now and November, 2020.
===============================

The Democrats can be summed up as sadistic bastards who use government to break your legs, destroy your livelihood, then congratulate themselves on handing you a few ibuprophen. The sick bastards do it so they can get rich and feel superior to you.

Time to get medieval on their asses. Make that our public message. We will use government to end their killing spree, strip them of their ill-gotten booty, and hand them over to a vengeful public for justice.

 

[Nilgiri]

I'll just post it here and you can quote from it as you want to:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/what...ght-now-round-2.146915/page-694#post-11149851

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More later.

I propose we move this to the "whatever thread" or some other such. This is the music thread after all.

Is @Nilgiri a closet leftist, forced to conceal his alignment and beliefs due to pressure from in-vogue, politically correct leftists haranguing him on PDF?

This is the classical liberal vs neo-liberal fight in a nutshell. Yes I count myself as classical liberal in many ways still (its not really all too different from classical conservative either). As they say, if you were not on the "left" when you were young...you have no heart....if you are not on the "right" when you have grown up...you have no brain.

Now I wonder WHO those 'they' could be.

Oh just regular working class people who have voted democrat all their lives (many also voted Hillary this time around too)....as the democrat party of the bulk of their lives aligned with their classical liberal views much more than the country club Republican party.

I meet them through various channels, mostly the music (share + discuss) world funnily enough but also work related and random meetings or friends of friends, families etc....given thats all the sort of thing that brings people together a lot rather than divide them...and then we meander to other topics and develop links and bonds.

I present to you 3 of them (a, b and c)..TIFWIW...there are many many more but I would rather flesh 3 out a bit:

a) People like the fella who has to drive two kids to school each day (Portland OR), and has to shield their eyes when there is a homeless person taking a dump on the grass median of the road...thanks to the more recent far left taking over the city politics (after the long long unbroken, unchallenged tenure of the democrats since forever)...and then the kids to add insult to injury are taught to hate themselves for being of a certain race and gender....and this fella has to un-doctrinate them the best he can, he can't afford private school...he (and wife) are working two shifts as it is to make ends meet AND pay for the big leftie state govt leaching off of them....and stopping any fresh investment to provide a better job security....given they control all the leaders of the trade union he is forced to be part of to have a job in first place. Yay for dialogue/debate in land of the 1st amendment!

b) Or maybe the fella I met and struck up a friendship with (through his son who I was trying to poach for my company at that time and succeeded only a lot later) when I visited Michigan (and few other states of the "Rust belt") who had such hope for Jimmy Carter presidency in his youth, yet ended up respecting Reagan (who he disagreed with mostly) as well.

A well respected tool and die guy, worked for Ford all his career....has a finger to the wind on what the working class sentiments are in the area....a big proponent of there being something special in the water of Michigan for the great music talent the State has produced over any other (in his opinion). But he couldn't for the life of him help wondering why Hillary didn't visit his area even ONCE to explain what she was going to do for his folks (so they could at least judge on what she delivered in the end)....why did she treat them as guaranteed vote INSPITE of him and others literally begging her campaign to get over there and address the concerns they saw building up in the disgruntled laid off masses....that were given the silent ear by Obama too (after his whole "change" campaign in 08). Like he said to me as he took me on tour of some of the hollowed out factories that once made this area produce HALF the output of automobiles for the world...."you don't quite understand what the rust belt is, till you have seen and smelled the inside of its once-proud titan fossils for yourself". He will not be voting for the democrats or anyone ever again...and I believe him.

He told me each day he would drive down a certain road, he would see a certain Bernie supporter's house that stood out in its signage "VOTE BERNIE"....and it stayed up there even after Hillary (and cabal) rigged the primary, ignored the underlying reasons that brought out Bernie support completely and felt/assumed somehow all these people that did vote Obama would vote for her at beck and call without doing anything to earn it from them. Well he drove past that house after Nov 8th and the signage of that house simply read "WE WON". You have to be from here to understand

c) Then there are people like the woman who voted democrat all her life, both her parents having marched with Martin Luther King...proudly BEHIND the US flag (for that was the symbol of the great potential to be realised). A woman sadly that has had to bury her son draped in that flag forever...for he fought for the flag and country and paid the ultimate sacrifice for it. Yet now this woman has to see the democrat party she supported so long and so strongly....get on the side of "Black lives matter" who have hijacked the message of the civil rights movement to frequently something quite perverse (reverse racism and grand identity politics...everything against what Mr. King stood for when he said "content of character over colour of your skin")....and then add to that the neo-democrat (because of far left take over) support towards those that disrespect the US flag, that her son died for.

There is a reason these spectacles the dems and their overpaid celebrity/athlete hacks do...keep away military families from the microphone to have just one narrative in the stadium where they do this buffoonery. They would not like to hear what they have to say...nope not one bit.

Really really easy to "take a knee" when you have millions of dollars each year and legions of fans that idolize you and in your ego you want to show them you can even disrespect a symbol that means something deep to so many...and still have all of that....because thats apparently freedom. But the Media and dems say its soooo hard to do, that such people are "heroes"....and the echo chamber nods dully and claps in blind applause.

Not so easy to support that when you lost a son... that barely anyone knows his name, certainly didnt earn millions each year and all you have left of him is that flag he fought for. I still tear up sometimes when I think of all she (and her hubby) told me about it. It speaks to me on whole different plane...I'm sure it does for you too.

You see such people do not fundamentally like being taken for granted just because they voted all their life as classical liberals (when the Republican party was far more snobbish and country club like to them)....street fighter "rough and tough" "pro working class" Democrats like Joe Biden and Jerry Brown really spoke to them...(who have now been turned and laundered into far left muppets too). Like take illegal immigration vs open borders issue. There was full bipartisan consensus with the democrats funding precisely (under Clinton and Obama) what they simply refuse to fund now. People aren't as stupid as the democrats think they are to forget this....and what it means to working class wages in the end (using the original Democrat messaging itself like that of Cesar Chavez).

It is made all too clear what kind of people are hijacking the democrat party now....people that will not tolerate any dialogue at all...given you can just throw insults like "racist" and "sexist" now and "win". I encourage you to watch/flick thru this video to get what I mean:

The poignant part for me is when Nuance bro finally does get to have a serious discussion (away from the anti-dialogue ANTIFA types) 1 on 1 with that black lady at the end and the kind of thing that I also gleam from lot of traditional democrats (who WANT to talk and explain and are not so young, brash and ignorant) surfaces around the 20.35 mark....yet during the demonstration she would have guaranteed been assumed by the ANTIFA types there (attacking, shoving and preventing nuance bro from having any dialogue) to be someone that blindly supports full repeal of the 2nd amendment.

This is case in point for me. The people that can think for themselves, have common sense and put personal responsibility and self-improvement FIRST (and practice what they preach....say unlike those that shout "global warming" and "open borders" from their gated complexes which they leave only to take holidays on private jets)....I do not care if they identify as left or right or centre, liberal or conservative.....they are fundamentally people I can have a dialogue and compromise with. The new left/far left are people that do not want to have any dialogue at all. It is a mistake of the democrat party to pander to them as a base. They will learn it the hard way again if this is the route they persist with.

Because such people forget where America came from and what it was founded upon...that a man must be responsible for himself first and foremost before preaching responsibility for others (why you think the wild west stories are so fundamentally appealing?). The classical liberals, classical conservatives etc ALL get this....the far-left and their emotional lackeys have this fundamentally reversed and think (in their ego and insidious hijacking of the traditional narrative channels) they can pull this off (sometimes posing as the "alt-right" too). Little do they know the real nuanced America and its sheer bulk.

This is music thread and I have posted way too much here without an accompaniment for it.....so let me rectify that now (and I hope we can move this to another more appropriate thread for the discussion part)....it's the true message found deep in this song by Bocephus (given the old country roots many even in Urban-for-generations do acknowledge at some level if they are fair/responsible enough to themselves and their history)....as much as his dad was overall the better musician, Junior did surpass his dad's zenith in some ways in this one:

I mean you tell me yourself Joe Saab, where are the toughest most resilient and grounded folks found in India? The big cities....or the towns and villages? ...its not too hard to think why they are picked upon and ridiculed by those that want to strip identity, culture and nationhood...to form some conceptual brave new world that only exists in their head if that. This is not exclusive to any country, its quite a common and ever-present thing in the end.

 

[Desert Fox]

The Northam vs Fairfax fight is really turning out to be hillarious . Which is more hypocritical approach by the left when they consume their own like Goya's Saturn?

Past KKK yearbook feelz or selective rejection of #Metoo (BELIEVE ALL WOMEN PERIOD) when its a dumbocrat?

I for one give "support" to all the characters...may this continue good, nasty and as long as possible . May such things get sniffed out and pick up even more in the months to come ...and may the final truth come out in the end of it all. The swing state suburbia is watching intently

It is indeed interesting but not surprising.

The Liberal Left self-projects it's own internal image onto others.

 

[RabzonKhan]

Trump's full 2019 State of the Union address:

Stacey Abrams' Official Democratic Response to State of the Union (FULL)

 

[RabzonKhan]

Joe: This Speech Was Packed With Lies | Morning Joe | MSNBC

 

[Nilgiri]

Trump's full 2019 State of the Union address:

Stacey Abrams' Official Democratic Response to State of the Union (FULL)

Its not working!!!! (Even according to MSM poll now haha):

The Liberal Left self-projects it's own internal image onto others.

Yep check this out hahahahahahaah:

@VCheng

 

[Desert Fox]

Its not working!!!! (Even according to MSM poll now haha):

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Yep check this out hahahahahahaah:

@VCheng

Lol Trump states the obvious facts and the Dems make faces and refuse to show support for the President's mentioning of positive things that all humans can agree on regardless of their differences:

Trump: "innocent life is worth preserving"

Dems: sad faces/refuse to applaud

Trump: "Blacks and Hispanics are doing well"

Dems: sad faces/refuse to applaud

Trump: "socialism is a failure"

Dems: sad faces/refuse to applaud

And LOL @ Bernie's face when Trump mentions the failure of socialism

 

[Nilgiri]

And LOL @ Bernie's face when Trump mentions the failure of socialism

AOC also was looking all triggered when he said it hahaha (most MSM showed bernie, but I was on PBS and it zoomed on her too)...what an effin twit she is!

Then they (dem wimmen) all stand and applaud each other (yaaay us!!!!) ONLY when its about "women" getting elected in the highest number in US history etc....as though thats some massive glass ceiling in the USA/west now compared to the other stuff. AOC even thought that was a "self trolling" by Trump to bring it up because it was "mostly us the dems that are wimmen in politics blah blah".....literally proving Trump's whole (underlying nuanced mocking) point they fell right into (perception wise for the public). They literally are this stupid and rabid.

Even controlled opposition Ben rightfully rips them apart for it. This is not playing well at all to US public when they see dems doing this stuff (all glum and angry when its black, minority, disabled unemployment improving to the lowest they have ever been etc....but patting themselves "YAY me, GO me" style while showing no gratitude one bit to the ACTUAL people that did something to get that stuff done back in the day).

Ben also makes one really good point that I have will have to steal now to trigger some more lefties I come across.......i.e aren't these the same people saying Gender is fluid and doesn't matter to begin with (you just need to identify feelings wise)....so why are they celebrating identity-accomplishment-wise something so fluid and non-delineated in first place?

Technically all it requires is for congress politicians to feel like they are wimmen and you can get a 100% wimmen congress even! Think of the progressiveness!

But of course this part of the argument is not allowed in NPC-feelz-landia....just likes its fine to wear KKK hoods and have blackface photos in your yearbook when you are a democrat....or not believe ALL women first thing....or any other of the PC-SJW rules.

 

[KAL-EL]

Some in the house chamber looked like they could use a nice trip to the Olive Garden.

 

[VCheng]

Its not working!!!! (Even according to MSM poll now haha):

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Yep check this out hahahahahahaah:

@VCheng

Forget all that. I am still laughing at the New Green Deal.

 

[KAL-EL]

Forget all that. I am still laughing at the New Green Deal.

The world will end in 12 years.