US Pentagon believes that it is worth abandoning sanctions against India for the purchase of weapons from Russia

[Yasser76]

My argument is simply based on the fact that US needs India more than vice versa.
They have accomodated India previously as well by giving NSG waiver. They will do again now.

I will admit losing the argument when CAATSA is actually applied to India. Till then, we can continue debating but will not reach any conclusion. Keep believing what you wanna believe.

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US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin has reportedly raised the issue of India’s planned purchase of S-400 air defence system from Russia.

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Yes, lets see.....

 

[HAIDER]

23 MAR, 18:28 Updated 18:55
US Pentagon believes that it is worth abandoning sanctions against India for the purchase of weapons from Russia


WASHINGTON, March 23. / TASS /.

The imposition of sanctions on India for its acquisition of weapons and military equipment from Russia is, apparently, not the best course of action for the United States. This opinion was expressed on Tuesday by Admiral John Aquilino, who was nominated to the post of head of the Indo-Pacific Command of the US Armed Forces (AF).[/B]
Speaking to the US Senate Armed Forces Committee at a hearing on his candidacy, he refused to directly answer the question of whether, from his point of view, Washington should use restrictive measures against New Delhi for military-technical cooperation with Moscow.

“I would leave that to the [US] policymakers to determine if this is the way [forward]. I think we should definitely understand where we are in relations with India. And I think that the potential aspect of persuasion [ India], providing [New Delhi] with alternatives could be a better approach, "the military leader said.

According to the admiral, "India is a really excellent partner" for the United States. "And, as we saw on the basis of recent discussions in the Quartet format, the importance of India and the rest [of the US partners] in the Quartet will increase," Aquilino said.

The Quartet is a union of Australia, India, the United States and Japan. The Quadripartite Security Dialogue was founded in 2007. This mechanism of interaction in the Asia-Pacific region and the Indian Ocean region includes Washington, Canberra, New Delhi and Tokyo. The first quadripartite meeting of the foreign ministers of Australia, India, the United States and Japan was held in September 2019 in New York. In November 2017, the four countries formed a coalition as part of a new strategy to secure critical shipping routes in the Indo-Pacific. The first summit of the Quartet was held in mid-March. In connection with the pandemic, it will be held in a virtual format.

The admiral also acknowledged that the Indians have established "long-standing relations with the Russians, cooperation in the field of security," New Delhi traditionally relies on Moscow to purchase weapons and military equipment. At the same time, Aquilino confirmed that he would continue to persuade India to "consider the possibility of acquiring American [military] equipment."

"We will continue to compete with Russia in the region," the admiral added.

Threat to the United States
The US Department of Defense views China's ballistic and cruise missile systems and the development of hypersonic weapons in the Indo-Pacific as a serious threat to the US and its allies, Aquilino added.

"China's ballistic and cruise missile systems, as well as the development of hypersonic weapons, raise risks and create problems [for the US]," the admiral said.

In his opinion, the deployment of hypersonic weapons "poses a serious threat to the United States and the forces of its allies in the region, and to solve this problem, an initial defense potential is needed in the near future." The admiral also stressed that the US forces currently in the region on a rotational basis "will not be able to counter the threat posed by China."

"The Rocket Forces of the People's Liberation Army of China has a growing arsenal of medium-range ballistic missiles that can threaten US bases in the region, including South Korea, Japan, and Guam, including the US Navy <...>. In addition, China is constantly developing its missile technology, increasing their range, stability, accuracy and lethality, "- says Aquilino.

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India is not getting any top-of-the-line offensive weapons from the US. So, sanctions can be withdrawn.

 

[HalfMoon]

India agreed to stop buying Iranian oil as there were alternatives. India has already made the advance payment for S-400, technicians are already training in Russia. This deal will not stop.
And US wants India on its side. Indo-Pacific strategy is a bigger foreign policy goal for US than punishing Russia. Their biggest rival today is China, not Russia.

@HalfMoon

i told you
biden will declare India as an MNNA in his presidency
the problem is that paaakis like you are too blind to see the writing on the wall

Huge win for India. So no CAATSA sanctions.

Modi is a lackey of the West.

He is going to dump not only the S-400 deal but also Russia as a partner.

Why do you think Russia cancelled the 2020 Summit with India?

Why do you think the 200 Kamov Chopper and AK-203 rifle deals have on hold for so long?

 

[The Eagle]

What Pentagon says today is what US policy becomes tomorrow.

Let's see that but needs to wait for future. For today, there is no win unless done.

 

[HalfMoon]

India is not getting any top-of-the-line offensive weapons from the US. So, sanctions can be withdrawn.

India will be buying F-15EX in a G2G for the MRFA deal (MMRCA 2.0 ) by end of this year.

This is the reason why MMRCA has been renamed as MRFA to allow buying heavy weight fighters as part of the deal.

US diplomats will design a clever way to spin the waiver for India.
It is similar to how they gave NSG waiver to India in 2008 even though we are not an NPT signatory.

There will be no need for the US waiver when Modi is working on dumping the S-400 deal.

 

[HAIDER]

India will be buying F-15EX in a G2G for the MRFA deal (MMRCA 2.0 ) by end of this year.

This is the reason why MMRCA has been renamed as MRFA to allow buying heavy weight fighters as part of the deal.

As long as you are away from F35, no worries. F15 is offered a long time ago. Indian afraid to buy F15. Australia already getting rid of F15. After S400 India won't get F35.

 

[HalfMoon]

As long as you are away from F35, no worries. F15 is offered a long time ago. Indian afraid to buy F15. Australia already getting rid of F15. After S400 India won't get F35.

Modi is working on dumping S-400 deal.

After that India will be buying F-15EX and THAAD from the US.

 

[HAIDER]

Modi is working on dumping S-400 deal.

After that India will be buying F-15EX and THAAD from the US.

Excellent news for Pakistan. But, I doubt Modi will do it.. partial payment already made


Exclusive: India's friction with U.S. rises over planned purchase of Russian S-400 defence systems
By Sanjeev Miglani
4 MIN READ

NEW DELHI (Reuters) - The United States has told India it is unlikely to get a waiver on its planned acquisition of Russian S-400 air defence systems, raising the risk of sanctions similar to those imposed on Turkey for buying that equipment, people aware of the matter said.



FILE PHOTO: An armed soldier stands guard outside India's Defence Ministry building in New Delhi, India, February 27, 2019. REUTERS/Anushree Fadnavis/File Photo
The Trump administration has been telling the Indians to drop the $5.5 billion deal for five missile systems and avoid a diplomatic crisis, saying New Delhi did not have a wide waiver from a 2017 U.S. law aimed at deterring countries from buying Russian military hardware.
That position is unlikely to change under the Biden administration that takes over next week and that has promised an even tougher U.S. approach towards Russia, the people aware of the discussions told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity.
India says it needs the long-range surface-to-air missiles to counter the threat from China. India and China have been locked in a face-off on the disputed Himalayan border since April, the most serious in decades.
New Delhi has also affirmed its right to choose its defence supplies, potentially setting up an early point of friction with the new U.S. administration.
“India and the U.S. have a comprehensive global strategic partnership. India has a special and privileged strategic partnership with Russia,” foreign ministry spokesman Anurag Srivastava said about the proposed S-400 purchase.

“India has always pursued an independent foreign policy. This also applies to our defence acquisitions and supplies which are guided by our national security interests.”
The United States imposed sanctions on Turkey last month for its acquisition of the Russian air defence systems under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA)
A U.S. embassy spokesperson in Delhi said the United States was aware of reports of India’s planned purchase of the S-400s, but noted there had been no deliveries yet.
“We urge all of our allies and partners to forgo transactions with Russia that risk triggering sanctions under the CAATSA. CAATSA does not have any blanket or country-specific waiver provision.”
“We have not made any waiver determinations with respect to Indian transactions with Russia,” the spokesperson told Reuters.



There was no immediate comment from Russian officials. Moscow has previously said that the sanctions imposed on Turkey were illegitimate and showed arrogance toward international law.
INITIAL PAYMENT IN 2019
India made an initial payment of $800 million in 2019 toward the Russian deal and the first set of missile batteries are expected towards the end of this year.
Russia has traditionally been India’s main weapons supplier but in recent decades the Indian government has turned to the United States and Israel for new planes and drones.
U.S. officials believe there is still time for Delhi to reconsider, and that the punitive measures would only kick in if the deal with the Russians was “consummated.”

Washington has told New Delhi that if India acquires the S-400 it would affect how its systems interact with U.S. military equipment that India now has and would jeopardise future arms transfers such as high-end fighter planes and armed drones, according to the people aware of the matter.
“There is a narrow chance India can avoid sanctions, presuming the S-400 purchase is completed. At the moment, it’s a good bet that sanctions will be applied against India,” Richard Rossow, a specialist at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, said.
But the outcome could depend on how India-U.S. defence cooperation progresses, he said, adding that India had been working with Washington on security in Asia more than ever before and this could be a mitigating factor.
Reporting by Sanjeev Miglani; Editing by Frances Kerry
Our Standards: The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.

 

[HalfMoon]

Excellent news for Pakistan. But, I doubt Modi will do it.. partial payment already made


Exclusive: India's friction with U.S. rises over planned purchase of Russian S-400 defence systems
By Sanjeev Miglani
4 MIN READ

NEW DELHI (Reuters) - The United States has told India it is unlikely to get a waiver on its planned acquisition of Russian S-400 air defence systems, raising the risk of sanctions similar to those imposed on Turkey for buying that equipment, people aware of the matter said.



FILE PHOTO: An armed soldier stands guard outside India's Defence Ministry building in New Delhi, India, February 27, 2019. REUTERS/Anushree Fadnavis/File Photo
The Trump administration has been telling the Indians to drop the $5.5 billion deal for five missile systems and avoid a diplomatic crisis, saying New Delhi did not have a wide waiver from a 2017 U.S. law aimed at deterring countries from buying Russian military hardware.
That position is unlikely to change under the Biden administration that takes over next week and that has promised an even tougher U.S. approach towards Russia, the people aware of the discussions told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity.
India says it needs the long-range surface-to-air missiles to counter the threat from China. India and China have been locked in a face-off on the disputed Himalayan border since April, the most serious in decades.
New Delhi has also affirmed its right to choose its defence supplies, potentially setting up an early point of friction with the new U.S. administration.
“India and the U.S. have a comprehensive global strategic partnership. India has a special and privileged strategic partnership with Russia,” foreign ministry spokesman Anurag Srivastava said about the proposed S-400 purchase.

“India has always pursued an independent foreign policy. This also applies to our defence acquisitions and supplies which are guided by our national security interests.”
The United States imposed sanctions on Turkey last month for its acquisition of the Russian air defence systems under the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA)
A U.S. embassy spokesperson in Delhi said the United States was aware of reports of India’s planned purchase of the S-400s, but noted there had been no deliveries yet.
“We urge all of our allies and partners to forgo transactions with Russia that risk triggering sanctions under the CAATSA. CAATSA does not have any blanket or country-specific waiver provision.”
“We have not made any waiver determinations with respect to Indian transactions with Russia,” the spokesperson told Reuters.



There was no immediate comment from Russian officials. Moscow has previously said that the sanctions imposed on Turkey were illegitimate and showed arrogance toward international law.
INITIAL PAYMENT IN 2019
India made an initial payment of $800 million in 2019 toward the Russian deal and the first set of missile batteries are expected towards the end of this year.
Russia has traditionally been India’s main weapons supplier but in recent decades the Indian government has turned to the United States and Israel for new planes and drones.
U.S. officials believe there is still time for Delhi to reconsider, and that the punitive measures would only kick in if the deal with the Russians was “consummated.”

Washington has told New Delhi that if India acquires the S-400 it would affect how its systems interact with U.S. military equipment that India now has and would jeopardise future arms transfers such as high-end fighter planes and armed drones, according to the people aware of the matter.
“There is a narrow chance India can avoid sanctions, presuming the S-400 purchase is completed. At the moment, it’s a good bet that sanctions will be applied against India,” Richard Rossow, a specialist at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, said.
But the outcome could depend on how India-U.S. defence cooperation progresses, he said, adding that India had been working with Washington on security in Asia more than ever before and this could be a mitigating factor.
Reporting by Sanjeev Miglani; Editing by Frances Kerry
Our Standards: The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.

India made partial payment even in the case of FGFA/PAK-FA deal but later dumped it.

S-400 deal will also be dumped the same way. Modi is just preparing the ground before he does it.

 

[HAIDER]

India made partial payment even in the case of FGFA/PAK-FA deal but later dumped it.

S-400 deal will also be dumped the same way. Modi is just preparing the ground before he does it.

Let's wait and see... Russian repercussion won't be welcoming.

 

[HalfMoon]

Let's wait and see... Russian repercussion won't be welcoming.

Russia has already put India on notice and is going into a tight alliance with China to confront Quad.

Russia and India are bound to be in the opposite sides of this cold war 2.0.

All Russian equipment in Indian military are going get obsolete soon. SU-30MKIs, MIG-29, Kilo Subs, Choppers, T-72/T-90 Tanks etc are all gone now.

 

[gangsta_rap]

Modi is a lackey of the West.

He is going to dump not only the S-400 deal but also Russia as a partner.

Why do you think Russia cancelled the 2020 Summit with India?

Why do you think the 200 Kamov Chopper and AK-203 rifle deals have on hold for so long?

paakis like you kept going on and on about how biden was bad news for india
that doesn't seem to be the case at all...the US will do everything in its power to guarentee india's ascention against china

 

[SQ8]

paakis like you kept going on and on about how biden was bad news for india
that doesn't seem to be the case at all...the US will do everything in its power to guarentee india's ascention against china

Perhaps, but look at it from India’s perspective - at the end of the day they have no desire for conflict with China and these weapons only affirm their overwhelming numerical superiority against Pakistan. So history is repeating itself in reverse where the US supplies military hardware to fight the Soviets and it ends up being used elsewhere. At this point the Indian diplomatic corps and the powerful NRI brigade is being fairly smart and making a complete buffoon out of the United States in its Chinese competition initiative. When push comes to shove, India will sit back and cite non-alignment and the quad will deflate but India will have gotten the technology and knowledge to reach its own goals of competing toe to toe with China in consumer products and as supplier but also start looking to its own expansionism for resources in the usual places - Africa and the oceans. After all, a Baniya never changes.

 

[gangsta_rap]

When push comes to shove, India will sit back and cite non-alignment and the quad will deflate but India will have gotten the technology and knowledge to reach its own goals of competing toe to toe with China in consumer products and as supplier but also start looking to its own expansionism for resources in the usual places - Africa and the oceans. After all, a Baniya never changes.

You have no need to remind me of this. It's very clear that they will never (and understandably so) go all in an effort to challenge China like the quad.

Tell it to the other guy whose perspective is warped on the whole issue and needed a bit of a wake up call.

 

[SQ8]

You have no need to remind me of this. It's very clear that they will never (and understandably so) go all in an effort to challenge China like the quad.

Tell it to the other guy whose perspective is warped on the whole issue and needed a bit of a wake up call.

Lets say for e.g. tomorrow it turns out that Iran starts acting out again - then the Biden perspective will change. Trump was a huge anomaly in the sense that he overruled well established long term policies at his whim.
This is generally how well developed or well led nations think - 10-15 years ahead.
As a US citizen I want my country to prosper so my children prosper. If that means US products must beat Chinas and US troops have to be on the ground first at key resources - so be it. The reality never pans out this way but the orignal thought process is still the same and the Chinese think so too - how they implement it is going to be different from the US based on their national character and culture as will Indias.

Technically even Pakistani policy has been generally consistent now - be the 20 lane expressway to the markets surrounding it and collect on the tolls - but keep the key resources in place such as water from the Glaciers. If today it turns out India feels it prospers from this they might compromise and follow suit.

Although I seriously doubt it since spite and hatred are so ingrained culturally within their current majority leadership and Indian Hindu religious leadership that they wont rest until they commit genocide. The Animals we have now as an excuse for many Indian members here testify to it.