US offers Cutting Edge Technologies To India

[KAL-EL]

India already declined F-35 and F-22.

India declined F-22???

EDIT: Never mind, I now see in another post that the member wasn't actually being serious.

 

[Nike]

Without sounding aggressive, but has any of these deals ever been completed? America promises the most advance system and actually delivered? I mean to one of America's "lesser" allies. Lesser in closeness of the relationship.

Cause I been reading these things for a while now, it's EMALS, it's fighters, it's this it's that, has anything been done before? Just to gauge what may happen in the future.

C-130J and Poseidon, they sell them and delivered to India

 

[Nike]

Yeah, no. Pakistanis would rather not deal with US defense industry, but it's stuck because a lot of it's equipment is US made. Pakistan has no choice but to accept US tech, unless it's willing to allow half of it's military equipment become obsolete.

Pakistan envy's India's relationship with Russia, because India can get advanced equipment without having to worry about sanctions.

you guys got China what happened with them? i think China as Pakistan best friend should give you free of their toys. Unlike US who always sanctioned your people and "never giving freebies to you guys" (sarcasm)

 

[acid rain]

Yeah, no. Pakistanis would rather not deal with US defense industry, but it's stuck because a lot of it's equipment is US made. Pakistan has no choice but to accept US tech, unless it's willing to allow half of it's military equipment become obsolete.

Pakistan envy's India's relationship with Russia, because India can get advanced equipment without having to worry about sanctions.

And, the US wants to place itself in the Russia part of that bargain as their stated policy, but I doubt it will be successful in doing that though.

 

[That Guy]

you guys got China what happened with them? i think China as Pakistan best friend should give you free of their toys. Unlike US who always sanctioned your people and "never giving freebies to you guys" (sarcasm)

Pakistan doesn't receive freebies, stop being a dumb ***, I've already explained this shit dozens of times on the forums, yet you keep repeating this false mantra.

China still doesn't have some vital tech ready that Pakistan needs, so Pakistan is stuck with the US.

And, the US wants to place itself in the Russia part of that bargain as their stated policy, but I doubt it will be successful in doing that though.

The US is very bureaucratic, so even if they are successful, there is no guarantee that they'll be a better supplier in the long run than Russia. Everything US gives has strings attached.

 

[Mugwop]

Declined F-22

 

[Screambowl]

It will be better If India does not depend too much on yamrika

 

[acid rain]

The US is very bureaucratic, so even if they are successful, there is no guarantee that they'll be a better supplier in the long run than Russia. Everything US gives has strings attached.

The whole point is they want to change the seller - client relationship into a co development and co production one - similar to the one's we have with Russia and Israel or yours with China. They want to remove the bureaucracy and red tape from both sides - No Strings Attached - that is what is DTTI.

 

[HariPrasad]

So we need to fill the gap and yes we also get hand on the so called advanced helicopter in this world.That is why deal is just confined in 22 helis.

No it is a style of Indian Armed forces to give an initial order of small quantity. put the weapons to use, monitor them and if found OK, give an additional order of more weapons, It is true for made in India goods also. e.g Akash, Arjun, LCA.

push back China back by a decade? with what? your big mouth? india is even less competent than vietnam.

Your washed brain is on display.

 

[OrionHunter]

Whatever happened to the much tom-tom'd indigenous defence industry program? Are we just gonna assemble American kits in our factories and be forever dependent on them?

 

[HariPrasad]

Meanwhile some more news on the subject.

US looking to bolster Indian defence with Apache helicopters and Javelin missiles

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New Delhi: US is looking forward to transferring a number ground breaking defence technology to India as part of its Defence Technology and Trade Initiative (DTTI).
As per the ongoing discussions, Indian Army could soon be equipped with state of the art weapons like Javelin missiles, artillery pieces, unmanned aerial vehicles and attack helicopters.

The deals are under various stages of the process and would include rights to co-produce and co-develop.

The process of DTTI was initiated under UPA regime by former National Security Advisor Shivshankar Menon.

In addition, US would be focussing on transfer of science and technology.

India is one of the biggest arms importers in the world. Questions have been raised over India's inability to indigenously fulfil its defence needs.

Indo-US defence ties gained momentum after former Prime Minister Manmohan Singh signed the much talked about Civil Nuclear deal with US in 2005. The agreement opened the doors for increased Indo-US Defence Corporation.

In less than a decade, Indo-US joint defence trade increased by billions of dollars from measly USD 100 million in the past.

Nothing better illustrates this than the fact that, at the height of the Khobragade affair, India, far from seeking to impose any costs on America, awarded it yet another mega-contract — a $1.01-billion deal for supply of six additional C-130J military transport aircraft.

In September, Singh signed a commitment to purchase USD 5 billion worth of defence technology from US, during his September visit to the White House.

In the past seven years, Indo-US defence trade has quadrupled from USD 25 billion in 2006 to USD 100 billion in 2013.

Let's take a look at various defence deals under cosnideration-

In the above picture, ships of the United States, India, Japan, Australia, and Singapore in the Bay of Bengal.

 

[That Guy]

The whole point is they want to change the seller - client relationship into a co development and co production one - similar to the one's we have with Russia and Israel or yours with China. They want to remove the bureaucracy and red tape from both sides - No Strings Attached - that is what is DTTI.

See, you say that, but the thing is that when co-development comes around, both sides share a piece of the pie, but the down side is that one side can block certain deals, if the other side wants to export or change an element of the system.

The biggest hurdle is the "want", they WANT to remove the bureaucracy, but US laws are complicated, they won't be able to remove the hurdles completely.

 

[acid rain]

See, you say that, but the thing is that when co-development comes around, both sides share a piece of the pie, but the down side is that one side can block certain deals, if the other side wants to export or change an element of the system.

The biggest hurdle is the "want", they WANT to remove the bureaucracy, but US laws are complicated, they won't be able to remove the hurdles completely.

 

[Yeti]

See, you say that, but the thing is that when co-development comes around, both sides share a piece of the pie, but the down side is that one side can block certain deals, if the other side wants to export or change an element of the system.

The biggest hurdle is the "want", they WANT to remove the bureaucracy, but US laws are complicated, they won't be able to remove the hurdles completely.

Good point no matter what the defence firms want, to get around the stringent US export regulations is another nut to crack!

 

[illusion8]

See, you say that, but the thing is that when co-development comes around, both sides share a piece of the pie, but the down side is that one side can block certain deals, if the other side wants to export or change an element of the system.

The biggest hurdle is the "want", they WANT to remove the bureaucracy, but US laws are complicated, they won't be able to remove the hurdles completely.

Good point no matter what the defence firms want, to get around the stringent US export regulations is another nut to crack!

The stringent export regulations were applied on the javelin missile at the early stage - so what does US do in a couple of months? goes around it and offers complete co development and local production of a new age javelin system - Something on the lines of how they ignored systems, laws and procedures for signing the nuclear deal.

DTTI aims to cut down bureaucracy and red tapism mostly from the Indian side - and we know how time consuming and snail paced it is, their major demand under DTTI is that we smoothen out our procedure for transfer, sale, development and production contracts and remove a few stringent bottlenecks. For e.g. they demanded for a floating TOT percentage depending on the absorbability and ease in closing contracts so that we are not burdened with delays in both signing of contracts and in manufacturing. They also pledge to remove stringent export regimes and complicated procedures of accountability and regular site inspections and user limits as an exclusive offer for us. The re-offer for the new govt has already been cleared by the US senate and they have designated Kendell to close it.

DTTI is actually a complicated offer where both sides pledge to ease the process and remove the wrinkles, it is not limited to exports of any particular system but involves geopolitics, policy changes, an increase in bilateral trade to 500 billion p.a., intelligence sharing and joint data centers for terrorism related info, an integrated radar, info and comm platform for both forces to operate together, regular bi and multilateral joint exercises between both forces, they also intend to overhaul our entire armed forces training processes and procedures.

The deal is a complicated one and is a unique offer. The export regime and the bureaucracy are intended to be by passed at all levels.