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US Military Superiority Is a Propaganda Myth. Russia's Forces Are Actually Far More Capable

Russia's T-14 Is Already the Most Advanced Tank in the World, With a Massive New Gun It Would Reign Supreme Against Any Other

The T-14 has been designed from the start with the possible upgrade to a massive 152mm cannon in mind.


With Russia’s T-14 Armata tank fielding a number of cutting-edge technologies designed to give it a considerable advantage over older armored platforms, and with a highly modular chassis developed to facilitate extensive modernizations and the integration of cutting-edge new systems in years to come, the tank may well be one of the most versatile ever to enter service.

Possibly the first of many upgraded or specialized variants of the Armata, Russia’s armed forces reportedly may consider deploying a large new 152mm cannon on the battle tank - an upgrade from the existing 125mm smoothsabre. While Russian battle tanks have long deployed 125mm cannons, the main gun used by the Armata is considerably superior to those of its predecessors - featuring improved accuracy, a firing rate of up to 12 rounds per minute, an 8km effective penetration range and the ability to deploy from an unmanned turret.

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An experimental T-80 with a 152mm gun from the 1980s

The cannon can deploy a number of advanced specialized munitions including armor piercing rounds, guided missiles, fragmentation shells and even surface to air munitions - allowing the Armata to respond to a wide variety of threats. The addition of a new and larger cannon could further enhance its combat performance, and due to the vehicle’s far larger chassis than its predecessors such as the T-90 to better facilitate the deployment of a 152mm gun, it remains a potentially highly viable option for the next generation battle tank.

The Soviet military made extensive use of 152mm guns during the Second World War, with these cannons deployed as specialised tank killers designed to penetrate advanced German vehicles such as the Tiger which were otherwise nearly invulnerable to the smaller caliber weapons used by Soviet armored units.

The guns were also used to deploy high explosive shells to eliminate enemy bunkers and infantry formations, and were considered highly successful weapons. Due to advanced in Soviet armor penetrating munitions developed for the country’s new and more capable battle tanks, which the USSR was confident would allow it to eliminate Western armor in the early Cold War, 152mm weapons were retired from frontline service.

It was only in the 1980s, with tensions with the Western Bloc fast rising and the United States Army commissioning the M1 Abrams tank, the most survivable Western battle tank ever built, that the Soviet military sought to again deploy the 152mm cannon to the front lines. A new 152mm gun was developed by the Kirov design bureau’s KB-3 office and was planned as a rifled main armament to be integrated onto the T-80 chassis.

The resulting tank was referred to as Object 292 - though considerable difficulties in development and the eventual collapse of the Soviet Union meant that this project would never materialize into an active frontline platform. An entirely new turret hat to be designed for the T-80, which was a rather small vehicle to mount such a large gun. A new autoloader was also needed to load the massive shells into the gun, and with development taking several years the prototype was only ready in late 1990 - shortly after which the USSR’s disintegration ended the program.

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Russia's new 152mm self-propelled artillery gun on the Armata platform

Potential remains for a 152mm cannon to be deployed on future Russian tanks, with such a program likely borrowing heavily from the previous Soviet experience developing Object 292. The T-80 prototype was found to be a highly capable platform, one which would have almost certainly been put into mass production had the Soviet Union survived - with its massive gun having relatively small recoil, the same as that of the 125mm 2A46, due to the highly successful specialized new turret design.

The gun itself had 50% more energy at the muzzle than the 2A46, and the design had a great deal of potential. Russia today is reportedly considering deploying a large 152mm gun on its new battle tanks - allowing them to outmatch rival platforms at range and engage at considerable longer distances when facing enemy armor.

Fielding such a large cannon could serve as an effective force multiplier for the Russian Armata tank platforms, particularly if designers can match the firing rate of the T-14’s existing 125mm cannon using the larger new gun. This would allow the Armata to better contend with rival platforms such as the South Korean K2 Black Panther, which reportedly retains a number of advantages in ranged engagements at present, as well as against upcoming Western fourth generation tank designs which are set to challenge the T-14’s current supremacy.

Fielded alongside the new 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV mobile artillery piece, the longest ranged and most capable self propelled artillery system in the world, a T-14 deploying a 152mm gun will give Russian’s armoured units near absolute technological supremacy on the ground against any potential adversary.

Source: Military Watch
 
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ok, they're very nice tanks.

word of friendly advice : have you thought of long-range air-to-ground counters to these tanks?

i wouldn't want to see the Russian federation without realistic defense against all that NATO can field *easily* (aka the publicly known weapons of which new versions can be made quickly and of which production can be scaled up quickly as well).
keeps us modest, and the Russians feeling secure, which are both good things in my view.
 
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Unbelievable that people actually take this drivel seriously. :rolleyes:
 
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ok, they're very nice tanks.

word of friendly advice : have you thought of long-range air-to-ground counters to these tanks?

i wouldn't want to see the Russian federation without realistic defense against all that NATO can field *easily* (aka the publicly known weapons of which new versions can be made quickly and of which production can be scaled up quickly as well).
keeps us modest, and the Russians feeling secure, which are both good things in my view.

I guess everybody has their own anti-systems.

Here the only purpose is to consider quality of the platform itself.

Same as ACs. They too also have vulnerabilities that China and Russia are capable of taken advantage of. But this does not make the value and quality of the US ACs in themselves.

But I agree, Russia would not like to allow the entire NATO being mobilized against itself. In fact, the only outcome of such a mobilization would be a nuclear winter. Impractical. Hence, the parties are just playing into the other side's weaknesses.
 
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What a childish view. US never starts war to win it. War is a business in USA. Why does not China or Russia start war? Its because they know war is started to win or defend.
 
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True, american lgbt military will get crushed by the far superior and well disciplined Russian army. The lgbt military of america is only good when it comes to pride parade.
:lol: :rofl: This is the comment of the week. :enjoy:
 
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https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/us-m...-forces-are-actually-far-more-capable.571038/

Surely when America fought against a third-rate adversary it was possible to rain death from the skies, and then roll over its forces, if any remained by that time, with very little difficulty and casualties.
This is stupid.

Is Marty saying that if the Russian military can do the same, it WILL NOT do the same? Which military in Marty's fantasy universe that is going to 'fight fair'?

...one adult cannot continue to go around the sandbox constantly fighting children and pretend to be good at fighting adults.
This is stupid.

Beating your opponent -- including using 'unfair' tactics and weaponry -- until he is like a child does not mean you have been fighting a child.

The main problem for the US today is that there are very few of those third-rate adversaries left out there and that those who the US is trying to bring to submission now are either near-peer or even peer adversaries. Martyanov specifically lists the factors which make that kind of adversary so different from those the US fought in the past:
  1. Modern adversaries have command, control, communications, computers, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance capabilities equal to or better than the US ones.
  2. Modern adversaries have electronic warfare capabilities equal to or better than the US ones
  3. Modern adversaries have weapon systems equal to or better than the US ones.
  4. Modern adversaries have air defenses which greatly limit the effectiveness of US airpower.
  5. Modern adversaries have long-range subsonic, supersonic and hypersonic cruise missiles which present a huge threat to the USN, bases, staging areas and even the entire US mainland.
This is stupid.

Everything Marty listed is non-human, of which even the Russian military recognize that it is, and have always been, the human factor that mattered most in wars. Give unmotivated conscripts the best technology in the world and they WILL be defeated by an opponent that is less well equipped but motivated and better trained.

Marty is trying -- in vain -- to rehabilitate the image of Soviet/Russian military hardware as perceived to be inadequate when wielded by armies less motivated, not as trained, and led by incompetent leaders. That perception maybe wrong, and in many cases it is wrong and truly does injustice to Soviet/Russian hardware, but when it comes to national defense, if perception is reality, customers of Soviet/Russian military hardware have no choice but to assess how and who to spend their monies.

These three clearly stupid items set the tone for the rest of the hit piece -- as utter garbage.
 
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One could be forgiven for not being aware of any of these facts,...
Like the fact that the Soviet/Russian military never faced even a near peer opponent either. We are not talking about WW II but post. All those Eastern European countries that made up the Warsaw Pact? Pretty much got ran over by Soviet tanks and occupied by Soviet troops with hardly any resistance.
 
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What a childish view. US never starts war to win it. War is a business in USA. Why does not China or Russia start war? Its because they know war is started to win or defend.

Good point. War is indeed an industry and an industry explicitly for the elite. Thus, only the super elite benefit from war. They benefit from "war as a process," not "as an outcome."

They, thus, do not care about how many US mercenaries are dead. How many of them come back crippled. And how many of them suffer from murderer's nightmare syndrome (MNS).
 
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Martyanov’s book will deeply irritate and even outrage those for whom the US narcissistic culture of axiomatic superiority has become an integral part of their identity.
Mmmm...Actually...No, as in no one takes Marty's book seriously.
 
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