US lawmakers compares China to Nazi Germany

[Martian2]

And? , is that an indictment on on all of US military, Civilian leadership and US citizens? if so, I can post several videos of atrocities of other countries. was it not recently that US refused to provide aid to certain sections of the Pak army after a video surfaced- where they lined up suspected terrorists and family members and shot them in cold blood?

The U.S. is in no position to accuse China of being Nazi Germany. Those living in glass houses should not throw stones.

 

[JayAtl]

The U.S. is in no position to accuse China of being Nazi Germany. Those living in glass houses should not throw stones.

first the US, the glass house you live in- did not call china nazi germany!

one lowly congressman/politician did. as I said before republicans call Obama nazi, commi, socialist every other day. One top level general in China said they should go to war with the US and also topple its economy by any means asap ( they hold a lot of US debt). does not mean all of china's ruling class means it as well.

that is a very painful video to watch but in the Fog of war, where people are walking around with AK47's in an open street and a RPG? I don't know ... it is very painful to watch especially being a parent- now that you have the benefit of knowing who "some of " them were and after the fact.

alternatively, these daily market, places of worship bombings, are targeted to kill civilians, not the US military. there are going to be some bad apples and some genuine mistakes, but that's not reflective of the US military as a whole. many of the screw ups are in a military jail now or under indictment. more should be done- but I refuse to allow anyone to think this is institutionalized.

what I don't get is- your attacking core American values and principles, so be it- but then why not get the hell out of it. because its not politics or a political party you attack ( that can change) rather you are attacking the core character of the country...( that can't change)

 

[Martian2]

what I don't get is- your attacking core American values and principles, so be it- but then why not get the hell out of it. because its not politics or a political party you attack ( that can change) rather you are attacking the core character of the country...( that can't change)

You do not seem to understand the real "core character" of the United States. I suggest that you read the Constitution and don't forget the part about protecting free speech. You seem to have missed that too.

It requires courage to speak up when America goes astray. It takes no effort to be a sycophant. Which one are you?

Courage | Define Courage at Dictionary.com

"cour·age
   /ˈkɜrɪdʒ, ˈkʌr-/ Show Spelled[kur-ij, kuhr-]
–noun

3. have the courage of one's convictions, to act in accordance with one's beliefs, esp. in spite of criticism."


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–noun
a self-seeking, servile flatterer; fawning parasite."

 

[JayAtl]

repeat post - self delete

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

how can it be an issue of free speech when you paint the country as a whole based on one single politicians blathering? you're not standing for anything going astray- you being deliberately ignoramus about it.

ig·no·ra·mus
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–noun, plural -mus·es.
an extremely ignorant person.

Nice personal attack there.

 

[JayAtl]

You do not seem to understand the real "core character" of the United States. I suggest that you read the Constitution and don't forget the part about protecting free speech. You seem to have missed that too.

It requires courage to speak up when America goes astray. It takes no effort to be a sycophant. Which one are you?

Courage | Define Courage at Dictionary.com

"cour·age
   /ˈkɜrɪdʒ, ˈkʌr-/ Show Spelled[kur-ij, kuhr-]
–noun

3. have the courage of one's convictions, to act in accordance with one's beliefs, esp. in spite of criticism."


Sycophant | Define Sycophant at Dictionary.com

"syc·o·phant
   /ˈsɪkəfənt, -ˌfænt, ˈsaɪkə-/ Show Spelled[sik-uh-fuhnt, -fant, sahy-kuh-]

–noun
a self-seeking, servile flatterer; fawning parasite."

how can it be an issue of free speech- I'm not attacking your right to speech ( something prevalent only in One of the countries in question) when you paint the country as whole based on one single politicians blathering? you not standing for anything going astray- you being an ignoramus and illogical about it.

ig·no·ra·mus
   /ˌɪgnəˈreɪməs, -ˈræməs/ Show Spelled[ig-nuh-rey-muhs, -ram-uhs] Show IPA
–noun, plural -mus·es.
an extremely ignorant person.

illogical
adj
1. characterized by lack of logic; senseless or unreasonable
2. disregarding logical principles
illogicality [ɪˌlɒdʒɪˈkælɪtɪ], illogicalness n
illogically adv


I look forward to reading you righteous attitude about china's lack of free speech... since you are such a righteous activist here.

 

[Martian2]

how can it be an issue of free speech when you paint the country as a whole based on one single politicians blathering? you're not standing for anything going astray- you being deliberately ignoramus about it.

This latest accusation by an elected U.S. lawmaker is merely one piece in the larger debate of whether America has the moral standing to lecture China about human rights. I believe the answer is clearly "no." America should examine its own serious human rights problems and fix them before lecturing other countries.

Let's look at an example. The United States government has created a new designation, called "enemy combatants." Everyone else in the world calls them "prisoners of war." Prisoners of war are to be treated in accordance with the Geneva Convention.

However, by inventing the phrase "enemy combatants," the United States has willfully ignored the Geneva Convention international treaty. The U.S. has deprived the prisoners of war of all "due process" and shipped the suspects to Guantanamo Bay and held them indefinitely (i.e. 8 years or more) without trial. That seems un-American to me. What do you think?

 

[Dalai Lama]

Global Peace Index
Rankings & Results Vision of Humanity

1 New Zealand
...
80 China
...
85 United States
...
128 India

147 Afghanistan

145 Pakistan

144 Israel

143 Russia

104 Iran

35 Taiwan

3 Japan

 

[JayAtl]

Nice personal attack there.

err English language is not your forte, I get that - being ignorant is not a personal attack. It's same as having a " lack of knowledge". similar to him calling me a subservient parasite. But then again I would not expect you to protest about that

 

[JayAtl]

This latest accusation by an elected U.S. lawmaker is merely one piece in the larger debate of whether America has the moral standing to lecture China about human rights. I believe the answer is clearly "no." America should examine its own serious human rights problems and fix them before lecturing other countries.

Let's look at an example. The United States government has created a new designation, called "enemy combatants." Everyone else in the world calls them "prisoners of war." Prisoners of war are to be treated in accordance with the Geneva Convention.

However, by inventing the phrase "enemy combatants," the United States has willfully ignored the Geneva Convention international treaty. The U.S. has deprived the prisoners of war of all "due process" and shipped the suspects to Guantanamo Bay and held them indefinitely (i.e. 8 years or more) without trial. That seems un-American to me. What do you think?

I see now you are moving into other topics after I showed your ill informed positions on the " NAZI" issue. Good

you should read up about your own country a bit more. Enemy combatants are treated under the army field manual and the army field manual is adhering to Geneva conventions . due process is given in military court. Read up on the supreme court ruling against Bush in 2006 I believe, regarding this matter. Btw, alternatively- the terrorist they catch also don't fall under the so called Prisoner of war under Geneva , because they wear no uniform, have no centralized command, are stateless actors etc etc. Most Taliban captured now and for some time now, are kept in afghan prisons , under afghan jurisdiction. all most all of these changes came due to the supreme court ruling against Bush. YUP that horrible countries supreme court that ruled against the ruling party . I wonder if that would ever happen in china... heh

Yes the Us can talk about Human rights of other countries , otherwise be prepared to allow genocides elsewhere like sudan to take place. Because of the US you see some final semblance of a peace strategy. We can chew gum and walk at the same time. we can improve our human rights record which is good to make it excellent vs other countries extremely poor records.

all in all I agree that there were fault lines in our thinking, but they get changed when the public or the judicial system steps in. what I don't agree is you painting the Us as fundamentally evil in its character.

 

[CardSharp]

It can be an amusing game to guess who long certain tri-colour trolls will last based on the way they post.

 

[Martian2]

you should read up about your own country a bit more. Enemy combatants are treated under the army filed manual and the army field manual is adhering to Geneva conventions . due process is given in military court. Read up on the supreme court ruling against Bush in 2006 I believe, regarding this matter. Btw, alternatively- the terrorist they catch also don't fall under the so called Prisoner of war under Geneva , because they wear no uniform, have to centralized command, stateless actors etc etc.

twilightyears: If this justification of: 1. naming anyone an enemy combatant

"twilightyears

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'If this justification of:

1. naming anyone an enemy combatant
2. enemy combatants have no civil rights
3. torture is justifiable
4. secrecy is paramount

then Democracy as we have lived it is slipping away on a slick slippery slope of unmitigated eyeball bulging, heart pounding, sad, pathetic fear.'”

 

[JayAtl]

twilightyears: If this justification of: 1. naming anyone an enemy combatant

"twilightyears

Commented on:
Waterboarding vs. Hammers vs. Genitals
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'If this justification of:

1. naming anyone an enemy combatant
2. enemy combatants have no civil rights
3. torture is justifiable
4. secrecy is paramount

then Democracy as we have lived it is slipping away on a slick slippery slope of unmitigated eyeball bulging, heart pounding, sad, pathetic fear.'”

Re : Torture, rendition . I wholeheartedly agree that those things are horrible and beyond the pale. But none of things exist now... they were either ruled unconstitutional or stopped period.

rest, I'll let you scream from the bully pulpit here. There is no sync here - you = US bad bad bad always and Me= no, sometimes bad, but corrects itself and is fundamentally a civil country and people.

 

[JayAtl]

It can be an amusing game to guess who long certain tri-colour trolls will last based on the way they post.

what? what did I say, I'm having a debate on issues. I'm not trolling out misinformation . let's be honest if you had a Chinese citizen say china is all bad all the time- would you not rectify that stance?

 

[Martian2]

When a country is invaded, occupied, and its citizens slaughtered, are you surprised by the hate against the invaders? How much longer can you stay before the whole country wants to kill you?

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