US hikes Pakistan aid by 40%

[Hindustani]

Yes, then the tax money canbe used to build rehabilitation centres for people like you, so make that a win-win-win!

I was kidding, don't get your salwar wet.

 

[474474]

I was kidding, don't get your salwar wet.

someone peed their dhoti?

 

[illusion8]

Although there are several discrepancies in the article and by quoting different figures, it even debunks it'self....however certain countries are not helping the overall situation either. !!

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Certain countries are just a blight and a drain on their resources while certain countries are among the biggest investors and their people are the richest and consecutively the highest tax payers.

Super-rich Indians account for more than 20% of the wealth of ultra-high net worth (UHNW) individuals in Britain, a new list showed on Tuesday. As a national group, they are second only to expat Russians.
Indians account for 22% of Britain

Indians amongst richest Asians in UK - Economic Times

Indian companies second biggest investors in London

 

[Cheetah786]

The big difference between Israel and Pakistan (as I have explained countless times on this forum) is that the US already gives 3X as much economic aid to Pakistan as it does to Israel. Defense aid is a completely different subject.

L O L TheJewverine feel free to say this a million times dosnet changes the realities on ground for starters lets take your economic aid.

Israeli goods can enter USA without any taxation or duties plus no limits pakistani exports to USA limited by quota and taxed.Israel can sell bonds in USA and people can write the investment of their taxation in united states no such exemption given to pakistan.

Most Americans are not aware how much of their tax revenue our government sends to Israel. For the fiscal year ending in September 30, 1997, the U.S. has given Israel $6.72 billion: $6.194 billion falls under Israel's foreign aid allotment and $526 million comes from agencies such as the Department of Commerce, the U.S. Information Agency and the Pentagon. The $6.72 billion figure does not include loan guarantees and annual compound interest totalling $3.122 billion the U.S. pays on money borrowed to give to Israel. It does not include the cost to U.S. taxpayers of IRS tax exemptions that donors can claim when they donate money to Israeli charities. (Donors claim approximately $1 billion in Federal tax deductions annually. This ultimately costs other U.S. tax payers $280 million to $390 million.)

When grant, loans, interest and tax deductions are added together for the fiscal year ending in September 30, 1997, our special relationship with Israel cost U.S. taxpayers over $10 billion.

Since 1949 the U.S. has given Israel a total of $83.205 billion. The interest costs borne by U.S. tax payers on behalf of Israel are $49.937 billion, thus making the total amount of aid given to Israel since 1949 $133.132 billion. This may mean that U.S. government has given more federal aid to the average Israeli citizen in a given year than it has given to the average American citizen.

Americans have begun to read and hear that "Israel receives $3 billion in annual U.S. foreign aid." That's true. But it's still a lie. The problem is that in fiscal 1997 alone, Israel received from a variety of other U.S. federal budgets at least $525.8 million above and beyond its $3 billion from the foreign aid budget, and yet another $2 billion in federal loan guarantees. So the complete total of U.S. grants and loan guarantees to Israel for fiscal 1997 was $5,525,800,000.

Benefits to Israel of U.S. Aid
Since 1949 (As of November 1, 1997)

Foreign Aid Grants and Loans
$74,157,600,000

Other U.S. Aid (12.2% of Foreign Aid)
$9,047,227,200

Interest to Israel from Advanced Payments
$1,650,000,000

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Total Benefits per Israeli
$14,630
Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S.
Aid to Israel

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Interest Costs Borne by U.S.
$49,936,680,000

Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
$134,791,507,200

Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli
$23,240

I didn't wanna bring Israel into this but your Indians friends like twisting realities to suit their needs.

2010, the US economic assistance to Pakistan equaled $1.8 billion. While the amount is indeed large, however on a per capita basis, this translates into a mere $10.3 for the 180-million Pakistanis. Should we believe that Pakistan’s survival has rested on a mere $10.3 per person in civilian assistance from the United States?

$10.3 per person in civilian assistance from the United States? for Pakistanis

$23,240 per person in civilian assistance from the United States To Israel

I am not a mathematician but even @Bhai Zakir a times of India agent here can tell you two are not comparable.

 

[MilSpec]

The whole world knows what price Pakistan is paying for the WOT.....considering the hit our economy took, the figure of $ 1.4 Billion is a drop in the ocean......none the less, hope you guys are making the most of the British aid after all that's some of my tax contributions to the exchequer. !!

Yes indeed, the ngo's and developmental organisations are indeed setting up water pumps, providing blankets, aiding rural schools with the developmental aid provided by the british/you... thanks... And now when you put it that way, your aid does too have some of my tax contributions too!

 

[somebozo]

Yes indeed, the ngo's and developmental organisations are indeed setting up water pumps, providing blankets, aiding rural schools with the developmental aid provided by the british/you... thanks... And now when you put it that way, your aid does too have some of my tax contributions too!

Western countries should take their aid and shove it up their rear because this aid does nothing but keep corrupt politicians in power. The struggle in averting hunger and poverty is the biggest roadblock to progress and reforms. When people will be hungry and poor they will be forced to struggle and reform. Brutal as it may sound but true.

 

[MilSpec]

Western countries should take their aid and shove it up their rear because this aid does nothing but keep corrupt politicians in power. The struggle in averting hunger and poverty is the biggest roadblock to progress and reforms. When people will be hungry and poor they will be forced to struggle and reform. Brutal as it may sound but true.

Depends, these in demorcratic scenario politicians are elected by your people, and in case of your generals, the people are subservient to the army, In both cases people of pakistan approve of these people.

What has stopped you from saying no american aid, what is the need to be indebted to US, China, IMF etc, for the sake of keeping the Indian boogeyman syndrome alive!

 

[TheJewverine]

L O L TheJewverine feel free to say this a million times dosnet changes the realities on ground for starters lets take your economic aid.

Israeli goods can enter USA without any taxation or duties plus no limits pakistani exports to USA limited by quota and taxed.Israel can sell bonds in USA and people can write the investment of their taxation in united states no such exemption given to pakistan.

Most Americans are not aware how much of their tax revenue our government sends to Israel. For the fiscal year ending in September 30, 1997, the U.S. has given Israel $6.72 billion: $6.194 billion falls under Israel's foreign aid allotment and $526 million comes from agencies such as the Department of Commerce, the U.S. Information Agency and the Pentagon. The $6.72 billion figure does not include loan guarantees and annual compound interest totalling $3.122 billion the U.S. pays on money borrowed to give to Israel. It does not include the cost to U.S. taxpayers of IRS tax exemptions that donors can claim when they donate money to Israeli charities. (Donors claim approximately $1 billion in Federal tax deductions annually. This ultimately costs other U.S. tax payers $280 million to $390 million.)

When grant, loans, interest and tax deductions are added together for the fiscal year ending in September 30, 1997, our special relationship with Israel cost U.S. taxpayers over $10 billion.

Since 1949 the U.S. has given Israel a total of $83.205 billion. The interest costs borne by U.S. tax payers on behalf of Israel are $49.937 billion, thus making the total amount of aid given to Israel since 1949 $133.132 billion. This may mean that U.S. government has given more federal aid to the average Israeli citizen in a given year than it has given to the average American citizen.

Americans have begun to read and hear that "Israel receives $3 billion in annual U.S. foreign aid." That's true. But it's still a lie. The problem is that in fiscal 1997 alone, Israel received from a variety of other U.S. federal budgets at least $525.8 million above and beyond its $3 billion from the foreign aid budget, and yet another $2 billion in federal loan guarantees. So the complete total of U.S. grants and loan guarantees to Israel for fiscal 1997 was $5,525,800,000.

Benefits to Israel of U.S. Aid
Since 1949 (As of November 1, 1997)

Foreign Aid Grants and Loans
$74,157,600,000

Other U.S. Aid (12.2% of Foreign Aid)
$9,047,227,200

Interest to Israel from Advanced Payments
$1,650,000,000

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Total Benefits per Israeli
$14,630
Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S.
Aid to Israel

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Interest Costs Borne by U.S.
$49,936,680,000

Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
$134,791,507,200

Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli
$23,240

I didn't wanna bring Israel into this but your Indians friends like twisting realities to suit their needs.

2010, the US economic assistance to Pakistan equaled $1.8 billion. While the amount is indeed large, however on a per capita basis, this translates into a mere $10.3 for the 180-million Pakistanis. Should we believe that Pakistan’s survival has rested on a mere $10.3 per person in civilian assistance from the United States?

$10.3 per person in civilian assistance from the United States? for Pakistanis

$23,240 per person in civilian assistance from the United States To Israel

I am not a mathematician but even @Bhai Zakir a times of India agent here can tell you two are not comparable.

For your first point, that is largely irrelevant. US tourism to Pakistan is nonexistent, so import duties for tourists are a non issue. As far as goods are concerned, the largely unskilled workforce of PK allows you to provide labor at rates practically 10x lower than 1st world countries, Apples to oranges comparison. PK has duties and fees, but the labor costs are so ridiculously low, it doesn't matter in the end.

As for the second part of your post, I've thoroughly disproved all of your points and the best you can do is blatantly quote (without crediting) an article from a website citing figures from 1997? Really? You are correct in stating you are not a mathematician, I can agree with that much.


Also as far as your comment on "Indian friends" I can agree India is an ally of Israel, but have you forgotten that India is also the same flesh and blood as India?

 

[Cheetah786]

=TheJewverine;4149662]For your first point, that is largely irrelevant. US tourism to Pakistan is nonexistent, so import duties for tourists are a non issue.

Import duties arent applied to tourist they are applied to goods .and no one said any thing about tourism you just brought this up.

As far as goods are concerned, the largely unskilled workforce of PK allows you to provide labor at rates practically 10x lower than 1st world countries,

Most of the goods sold in USA are produced in 3rd world countries so your argument holds no value their.

Apples to oranges comparison. PK has duties and fees, but the labor costs are so ridiculously low, it doesn't matter in the end.

our labor costs are much higher then the nations Americans are using to buy from for instance Mexico and other south american countries not to mention India.

As for the second part of your post, I've thoroughly disproved all of your points and the best you can do is blatantly quote (without crediting) an article from a website citing figures from 1997? Really? You are correct in stating you are not a mathematician, I can agree with that much.

Your approval wasn't required and your denial means nothing the figures i posted can be verified from different sources.

Also as far as your comment on "Indian friends" I can agree India is an ally of Israel, but have you forgotten that India is also the same flesh and blood as India?

No one here questioning your blood line as you are Indian but most Israeli Jews are Caucasian last i checked but in any case thats not what we are discussing.

 

[RangerPK]

Does this mean USA won't be sanctioning Pakistan for Pak-Iran gas pipe line but would rather be be giving aid instead?

 

[Koovie]

with education corruption will go,
with energy economy will boom.
without terrorism foreign investment will come in

now do you see how we only have 3 problems?

1. Education = no corruption? WRONG
2. Energy = booming economy? Its a crucial factor, but only ONE out of MANY.
3. No terrorism = more FDI ? Partially, a stable and safe state is a must have to have economic success, but only one factor.

So Pakistan does not have only 3 problems, otherwise it would be the super power in the world

 

[Koovie]

Britain’s decision to continue giving development aid to India till 2015

U.S. aid to India, targeted toward , food security and health, has dropped 25 percent in recent years, from nearly $127 million in 2010 to a proposed $98.3 million in 2013.

India the world’s largest foreign aid recipient, with some $55 billion funneled to the country between 1951 and 1992,

It seems like pot calling the kettle black what you didn't think people knew that you are still getting Aid from Uk and USA .

LOL why the heck are you posting stats from over 20 years ago ??? We are talking about now.

To get your facts right:

1. No aid money goes to the GOI! It goes to NGOs ! Thats a difference, and I guess you are capable enough to understand that.

2. We are one of the largest economies in the world, growing with +5% despite a global recession and no big ticket reforms for years now. India is a major contributor in organizations like the IMF or the upcoming BRICS development bank and has provided her part in the EU bailout package as well.

 

[Koovie]

Yes, a thread about Pakistan and Indians are gloating at some images.
Well in this case, a picture isn't equal to a thousand words.....tall talk doesn't exactly changes the ground realities.

Indian poverty levels higher than Pakistan's, says UN report - Telegraph

Why posting 2 years old articles? So desperate to adhere to your daily quota of India bashing articles? Seems like your are spending too much time with searching for such things...


OT: India is lifting millions out of poverty each year. And even the BIMARU states which contain the vast majority of the poor have a higher growth and GDP than your country. So better dont take pride in 2 years old articles

 

[acid rain]

LOL @Cheetah786, the difference between Pakistan and India is - India can do without the aid, while Pakistan cant doo without aid.

Another difference is India recently has been giving more aid than whhat its receiving. How about Pakistan? Pakistan just receives.

 

[Koovie]

The whole world knows what price Pakistan is paying for the WOT.....considering the hit our economy took, the figure of $ 1.4 Billion is a drop in the ocean......none the less, hope you guys are making the most of the British aid after all that's some of my tax contributions to the exchequer. !!

No idea what you are talking about, isnt it?

1. British aid? LOL how much do you think is it? a few hundred million which will be scrapped by 2015 anyways xD ??? This money goes to NGOs and not to the government This barely a fraction of our GDP and the anti poverty measures and subsidies by the GOI. And we are talking about billions and billions of UDSs.

2. India is the 3rd largest investor in the country you live in, so better be thankful for our contribution to keep your economy up