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US Hawks Want 12 Aircraft Carriers for US Navy

Yeah but first China itself needs to replace dollar as its foreign currency reserves and sell dollar out in the world and dollar will crash immediately.

Lol , apart from your simple minded understand of economics , crash of a dollar means crash of global economies

thus also affecting China in a very major way

just look how many countries were affected by financial and housing crisis in 2008 , crash of a dollar would be much much worse.
 
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Aircraft carriers are a WW2 concept but now with addition of long range missile more stealth is required. Unless they can come up with a carrier that can submerge then it is just target practice for other militaries. It is good to portray power against third world countries but wont work against russia and china.
 
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Aircraft carriers are a WW2 concept but now with addition of long range missile more stealth is required. Unless they can come up with a carrier that can submerge then it is just target practice for other militaries. It is good to portray power against third world countries but wont work against russia and china.

No they are not! Aircraft carriers the ultimate weapon to project power worldwide. If what you say is true, then why are China and Russia still trying to acquire aircraft carriers?

Yeah but first China itself needs to replace dollar as its foreign currency reserves and sell dollar out in the world and dollar will crash immediately.

China recently sold billions in US treasury bonds it held in reserve, but US dollar was barely impacted because there were ready buyers for bonds. Like it or not, dollar is going to be the reserve currency for a very long time.
 
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No they are not! Aircraft carriers the ultimate weapon to project power worldwide. If what you say is true, then why are China and Russia still trying to acquire aircraft carriers?



China recently sold billions in US treasury bonds it held in reserve, but US dollar was barely impacted because there were ready buyers for bonds. Like it or not, dollar is going to be the reserve currency for a very long time.

Read my comments again last time when aircraft carriers came face to face was durring cold war. At that time there was no concept of long rang BVR systems. Now a barrage of 5-6 cruise missile and all will be left is a carrier with massive holes. China and Russia are developing them to project power just like US. Any ways that is just my opinion. Also if china manages to perfect accuracy issues of carrier killer ballistic missiles then there wont be any place for them to hide.
 
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That is only possible with US currency as it world currency and no other economy power to challenge it. The Soviet only challenge the political and military aspect of USA. If China manage to dethrone US currency and up-sit USA as world largest economy power. US printing money policy will end and its current policy cannot be sustain economically.
About 32 cents for every dollar of U.S. debt, or $4.6 trillion, is owned by the federal government in trust funds, for Social Security and other programs such as retirement accounts.
The largest portion of U.S. debt, 68 cents for every dollar or about $10 trillion, is owned by individual investors, corporations, state and local governments and, yes, even foreign governments .
Foreign governments hold about 46 percent of all U.S. debt held by the public
The largest foreign holder of U.S. debt is China, which owns more about $1.2 trillion. In total, China owns about 8 percent of publicly held U.S. debt. Of all the holders of U.S. debt China is the third-largest, behind only the Social Security Trust Fund's holdings of nearly $3 trillion and the Federal Reserve's nearly $2 trillion holdings.
Other large foreign holders of U.S. debt include Japan, which owns $912 billion; the United Kingdom, which owns $347 billion; Brazil, which holds $211 billion; Taiwan, which holds $153 billion; and Hong Kong, which owns $122 billion.

Still, despite all this, the truth is the bulk of the $14.3 trillion U.S. debt - $9.8 trillion in all - is owned by the American people and its government.

U.S. Debt - How Much China Owns

Is China prepared to write off the US debt it holds if it dethrones the US economy and the dollar goes way down?

I doubt it would be in China's interest.
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-10-12/relax-we-ll-survive-china-s-sales-of-u-s-debt-


http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/28/
 
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U.S. Debt - How Much China Owns

Is China prepared to write off the US debt it holds if it dethrones the US economy and the dollar goes way down?
China is dumping U.S. debt - Sep. 10, 2015

China is playing a slow game. When China dethrone US as world largest economy power. The debt it holds will be so insignificant that China dont mind write off the debt for bankrupt US. Right now, she is slowing dumping US treasury bond slowly. It will be a step by step process. China will act at the right moment. She is actively promoting yuan currency to replace the dollar.

China gives currency biggest boost in a decade - Channel NewsAsia
 
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:lol: Self delusion at its best. Rome cannot build in a day.
Yes. But can be built gradually. By the way US destroyer violated your territory. Why were you people silent then. Just talk about hitting US on forums.
 
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Read my comments again last time when aircraft carriers came face to face was durring cold war. At that time there was no concept of long rang BVR systems. Now a barrage of 5-6 cruise missile and all will be left is a carrier with massive holes. China and Russia are developing them to project power just like US. Any ways that is just my opinion. Also if china manages to perfect accuracy issues of carrier killer ballistic missiles then there wont be any place for them to hide.

The concept of anti-ship cruise missiles is nothing new. The former USSR had plenty of anti-ship cruise missiles at its disposal but it did not stop US from building and deploying aircraft carriers. And not all countries have anti-ship cruise missiles at its disposals, especially missiles designed to destroy carriers.

Glad you agree that aircraft carriers are about power projection. China and Russia are building aircraft carriers even though they will be targets of US anti-ship cruise missiles as well. It cuts both ways.

China is dumping U.S. debt - Sep. 10, 2015

China is playing a slow game. When China dethrone US as world largest economy power. The debt it holds will be so insignificant that China dont mind write off the debt for bankrupt US. Right now, she is slowing dumping US treasury bond slowly. It will be a step by step process. China will act at the right moment. She is actively promoting yuan currency to replace the dollar.

China gives currency biggest boost in a decade - Channel NewsAsia

Boastful talk from a country in the throes of economic upheaval. I will believe when the yuan truly becomes a convertible currency.
 
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Read my comments again last time when aircraft carriers came face to face was durring cold war. At that time there was no concept of long rang BVR systems. Now a barrage of 5-6 cruise missile and all will be left is a carrier with massive holes. China and Russia are developing them to project power just like US. Any ways that is just my opinion. Also if china manages to perfect accuracy issues of carrier killer ballistic missiles then there wont be any place for them to hide.

NO carriers came face to face post WW2. In the context of the cold war, I assume you are making reference then to the advent of the Russian Kiev class (first of class commisisoned 1975) and the Yak-38 (entered service 1976), equipped with the 8km range, infrared homing AA-8 Aphid sr-aam. With their heavy ASW orientation, these 'heavy aircraft carrying cruisers' were never intended to face off with USN CVs or CVNs.

Anyway, regrding BVR, what do you think Navy's 1960s F4 Phantoms were equipped with, besides the 5km AIM-9B Sidewinder infrared homing missiles? Heard of the 32km semi-active radar homing AIM-7C Sparrow aka AAM-N-6 Sparrow III) ? That tarted development in 1951 and entered service in 1958 and was put on the Phantom when it was introduced in 1960. A major improvement over the F-8 Crusader, which had used AIM-9 Sidewinders in both IRH and SARH versions.

Early beamriding Sparrow versions had been employed on a limited number of a few other navy jets, e.g. the Douglas F3D Skyknight all-weather night fighter (1954), the McDonnell F3H Demon (1956) and the Vought F7U Cutlass (1956) used AIM-7A (Sparrow I aka AAM-N-2). The active radar homing AIM-7B (Sparrow II aka AAM-N-3) was intended for used on Douglas F5D Skylancer (4 built) and the Avro Canada CF-105 Arrow (5 built) but never saw service

Further, note that of the USNs wartime 24 ship Essex class (many of which served post WW2 well into the Vietnam era), none were lost while two, USS Franklin (CV-13) and USS Bunker Hill (CV-17), came home under their own power and were successfully repaired even after receiving extremely heavy damage. Essex class carriers hit by Kamikaze weapons were often launching and recovering aircraft again in less than two hours.

Perhaps you should also acquint yourself with the carrier fire incident on the USS Forrestal (1967, 7x 1000lbs bombs cooked off on deck) and the USS Enterprise (1969, 18x 500 lbs bombs cooked off on deck). In both cases, due to fire, multiple 500lbs and/or 1000lbs bombs exploded on deck and blew holes through the armored flight deck, to up to 6 decks down, through which burning aviation fuel spread into the interior. In both cases, crew managed to put out the fires and save the ships within 16 hours, after which the ships continued under their own power. Likewise the hangar deck fires on USS Boxer (1952) and USS Oriskany (1966). These incidents not only demonstrated the damage and fire control capabilities in the USN on carriers show but also helped improve them as well as the design of carriers like the Nimitz class.

To this day, only the USN has conducted tests with nuclear devices against carriers (and other ships) in operation Crossroads and a life fire excercise on a decommisioned carrier (the Kitty Hawk class USS America, 2005), which provided valuable lessons incorporated into the latest USN carrier design, the Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carrier (CVN 78).

See also:
https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/docs/98-217.pdf (ch. 5)
http://lexingtoninstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/aircraft-carrier-invulnerability.pdf

By comparison, the Russian navy suffered mostly boiler explosions and engine room fires on most of its flat tops (1 of 2 Moskva class, 3 of 4 Kiev class, Kuznetsov) and a single rough landing of a Yak 141 on a Kiev.
 
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