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Good point. The Azeris were using an entire eco system of EW counter EW and then drones. Amid other things I might have missed.why Attack Helicopters to hunt İndian Tanks ?
Turkey’s extensive deployment of Armed Drones in its fight against Syrian Regime Forces in Idlib province has put forward a "new military doctrine" in the world
UCAVs are more effective than Attack Helicopters to hunt Tanks
An 18 AKINCI UCAV battalion can carry 288 MIZRAK anti Tank missiles, each capable of destroying a Tank
AKINCI UCAV
Payload : 1350 kg
Max speed : 360 km/h
Combat Range : 2.000+ km
Endurance : 24 hours
Service ceiling : 40.000 feet
-- AESA Radar
-- SATCOM
-- 6 multi-core Artificial Intelligence Computers
-- 8 km MIZRAK anti Tank Missile with top attack capability
-- 25 km BOZDOGAN air to air Missile
-- 74 km KUZGUN joint strike Bomb with IIR seeker
AH-64D/E APACHE
Max speed : 293 km/h
Combat Range : 480 km
Endurance : 4 hours
Service ceiling : 20.000 feet
AN/APG-78 Longbow fire-control Radar
-- APKWS 70 mm Rockets
-- 8 km HELLFIRE air to surface Missile
-- 8 km AIM-92 Stinger air to air Missile
even MANPADS can hit Attack Helicopters
I think we should continue to support our Turk brothers n their endeavour to acquire/build a Helo engine and then procure the platform if it is up to the mark. The indigenous Turkish engine will come on line in 2-3 years and should mature in 5-6 years. If the Azerbaijan venture works out and we can procure the engine the T129 can come a lot earlier.My Guess US will light Green for Pakistan T-129 order soon. but it needs better lobbying.
Unless Chiana will be supplier of Attack choppers.
So US will be loser from both side. İnfluence of supplying engines.
Need to stop extending the deadline. Just get the attack helicopters from China.
Pakistan case is totally different
they will use this card to pressurize us to give any airbase
That's true but I never said that Attack Helicopters are invincible.
I'm no expert but I would venture attack helicopters have a lot of advantages over drones.
For example attack helicopters can fly low to the ground whereas drones, like the one you described, need to maintain a higher altitude particularly to avoid air defense systems.
Furthermore, Attack helicopters can generally be operated out of anywhere whereas drones, from my understanding, are usually flown out of airbases which are prone to attack by hostile enemy forces.
Attack Helicopters have a plethora of countermeasures they can use whereas drones, at least from what I know, have limited self defense capabilities and that ties into the fact that attack helicopters are generally able to carry a lot more ammunition (ex. Apache has a payload of something like 2700 kg whereas the AKINCI UCAV can carry only 1350 kg).
I would also imagine Attack Helicopters, because of the human component, are also more resistant to cyber warfare:
Exclusive: Iran hijacked US drone, says Iranian engineer
U.S. Warship Took Down Iranian Drone Using New 'Jamming' Technology
Personally I feel like drones are more likely to replace bombers and possibly in the future strike aircraft than attack helicopters.
People really don't study at all from the past, let alone learn from it. I know that Pakistan's decision for T-129 Gunships was based on diversifying it's inventory. However Turkey was and still remains the WRONG choice. It's a NATO member state, which translates into being a subordinate to it's Western masters.
The best available option for Pakistan would be Russia, who has world class gunship helicopters like Mi-28 Havocs and Ka-52 Black Sharks. Russia plays a pivotal role in the world and unlike Turkey, the Russian Federation tells the West to get lost any time it tries to stick it's nose where it doesn't belong.
Whether it be world class Gunship Helos or top notch Air-Defense/Strike-Frigates, for Pakistan, it is Russia that has the real firepower. We ought to be looking into joint-venture programs with Russia, not Turkey. Had we signed a deal with Russia instead of turkey (back then), today Pakistan Army Aviation would've fielded 30 Ka-52 Black Sharks.
Russia would be in the same boat as US, they don't want to upset India which is one of there last few customers. The only viable option is the Chinese at this point, until Turkish platform matures (engine that is).