US F-16's to Pak come with a 'no use against India in future' rider

[ice_man]

I know the F-16s are bought, but where did that money come from?
US has allocated over a billion dollars for Pak as military aid. Pak uses this aid to buy weapons.

If you discount the F-16 purchase, then a whole lot of military aid would go unaccounted for.

yes indian PROPAGANDA here you go!!

indians are always wondering where pakistan gets funds to aquire weapons from!

the answer is:

NO CORRUPTION IN MILITARY BUDGET! kick backs exist but no one can meddle with the military budget!!


after all a while back indians were crying PAKISTAN increased its defence budget!!!!

http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/61520-real-figure-defence-budget-675-bn.html

so yes we divert funds in our budget from other necessary items inorder to modify P3-C ORIONS so they can fire HARPOON AMRAAMS according to indian media

 

[welcome]

In case of war against india, Uncle Sam will not send its men to Pakistan to see what weapons the Pakistan military are using against india. This report is just to stop indians from crying. Pakistan will use whatever weapons it pleases, Pakistan purchased these weapons so Pakistan are now the owners of these F-16s, not Uncle Sam...these F-16s are not gifts, Pakistan bought them and Pakistan didnt buy them to be placed behind a locked door collecting dust.

oh...if u r right! why not pakistan used his f-16 in kargil war???

 

[M8R]

oh...if u r right! why not pakistan used his f-16 in kargil war???

Oh Jeez - Beta F-16 was flying right along the border. The only reason it did not cross border because that would have started full war and let's face it we Pakistanis were on other side of the border and we said that It's mujaheddin fighting so what would have been the reaction of world if we started giving air support to Mujaheddin.Here read this.We used these F-16's to escort our nukes and you think we won't use it against India...

While the PAF looked at some offensive options, it had a more pressing defensive issue at hand. The IAF’s minor border violations during recce missions were not of grave consequence in so far as no bombing had taken place in our territory; however, the fact that these missions helped the enemy refine its air and artillery targeting, was, to say the least, disconcerting. There were constant reports of our troops on the LOC disturbed to see, or hear, IAF fighters operating with apparent impunity. The GHQ took the matter up with the AHQ and it was resolved that Combat Air Patrols (CAPs) would be flown by the F-16s operating out of Minhas (Kamra) and Sargodha. This arrangement resulted in less on-station time but was safer than operating out of vulnerable Skardu, which had inadequate early warning in the mountainous terrain; its status as a turn-around facility was, however, considered acceptable for its location. A flight of F-7s was, nonetheless, deployed primarily for point defence of the important garrison town of Skardu as well as the air base.

F-16 CAPs could not have been flown all day long as spares support was limited under the prevailing US sanctions. Random CAPs were resorted to, with a noticeable drop in border violations only as long as the F-16s were on station. There were a few cases of F-16s and Mirage-2000s locking their adversaries with the on-board radars but caution usually prevailed and no close encounters took place. After one week of CAPs, the F-16 maintenance personnel indicated that war reserve spares were being eaten into and that the activity had to be ‘rationalised’, a euphemism for discontinuing it altogether. That an impending war occupied the Air Staff’s minds was evident in the decision by the DCAS (Ops) for F-16 CAPs to be discontinued, unless IAF activity became unbearably provocative or threatening.

Aeronaut: Kargil Conflict and Pakistan Air Force

 

[WAQAS119]

I think Jagjitnat has got few trolling lessons from Xmustiiji70..
and now both are living in afbannistan.....

 

[Aslan]

oh...if u r right! why not pakistan used his f-16 in kargil war???

One thing because when ever the AF's of Pak and india have been involved in a conflict it ended in a full fledge war.
Secondly we were not BVR capable, that dont mean that we were waiting for the permission from uncle to use them.
And to put it even more bluntly we didnt have to, our anti air craft man pads took care of you guys well.

 

[M8R]

One thing because when ever the AF's of Pak and india have been involved in a conflict it ended in a full fledge war.
Secondly we were not BVR capable, that dont mean that we were waiting for the permission from uncle to use them.
And to put it even more bluntly we didnt have to, our anti air craft man pads took care of you guys well.

You mean this

 

[Aslan]

I think Jagjitnat has got few trolling lessons from Xmustiiji70..
and now both are living in afbannistan.....

No he will be at his new found love afair (where he is the boss, and spew all kinda garbage, make any crappy analysis, and no one can challenge him as he is the boss there) bad mouthing PDF as usual.

 

[SurvivoR]

Oh yaar lets end this stupid thread.

Yes these F16s would only be used against the TTP, Alqaida and the Pakistan population ONLY. In times of war they will be locked up in storage disassembled and maybe we would also provide the coordinates to the indians to blow them up by their 200+ Su30s on our air bases which won't be defended by any air defence systems...

I hope the indians would sleep peacefully after knowing that PAF won't be using these 18 F16s against them and won't pee their pajamas or dhotis or whaterer they wear

Long Live Uncle Sam

 

[trident2010]

If I remember correctly these planes were long due. Pakistan purchased it years ago but US blocked the sale. It is good to see now you guys are getting what you paid for.

The only problem you will be having with US stuff is that you can't use it 'freely' for first strike, as a defensive, no problems.

I think now you guys should move to other countries for defence stuff, US stuff is more of a problem than solution.

 

[welcome]

One thing because when ever the AF's of Pak and india have been involved in a conflict it ended in a full fledge war.
Secondly we were not BVR capable, that dont mean that we were waiting for the permission from uncle to use them.
And to put it even more bluntly we didnt have to, our anti air craft man pads took care of you guys well.

sorry my friend whenever any country sings defence deal with usa the basic condition is that"uncle sam can inspect there sold weapons any time". and uncle sam given f-16 to pakisatan only if pakistan will not use it against india. if pakistan ever broke the condition they will stop suplying the maintenance tools and other which necessary to run the aircraft.

 

[SpArK]

sorry my friend whenever any country sings defence deal with usa the basic condition is that"uncle sam can inspect there sold weapons any time". and uncle sam given f-16 to pakisatan only if pakistan will not use it against india. if pakistan ever broke the condition they will stop suplying the maintenance tools and other which necessary to run the aircraft.

These "no use against any other country" is highlighted each and every time by US just to keep Indians happy. Otherwise the so called maintainence tools and spares can be procured early and Pakistan has long experience in maintaining F-16s and this preconditions have little effect in case of a war.

 

[prototype]

definitely pakistan is going to use it against india,theirs nothing to hide in it,pakistan does not need f-16 against TTP and BLA,but why r we concerned,even if they dont get f-16's they have the chinese options

 

[TaimiKhan]

sorry my friend whenever any country sings defence deal with usa the basic condition is that"uncle sam can inspect there sold weapons any time". and uncle sam given f-16 to pakisatan only if pakistan will not use it against india. if pakistan ever broke the condition they will stop suplying the maintenance tools and other which necessary to run the aircraft.

No worries, that is what had happened in the past, and will happen in future, God forbid we go to war again.

We kept the older F-16s air worthy and hopefully will keep these ones too.

One simple logic, if US seriously did not wanted us to use these F-16s against India, then they would not have sold to us AIM-120s knowing we have no other enemy other then India to use against such weapons.

They may sanction us, but we will have sufficient spares as well as other ways to get spares, and as usual one day it will have to lift the sanctions again.

But God willing, we are not gonna go to war.

 

[Aslan]

@ welcome
sorry my friend whenever any country sings defence deal with usa the basic condition is that"uncle sam can inspect there sold weapons any time".

Well that is the prerequisite of the deal, but and the big but is that they cant control the use of it. Its just like I sell u the car and then I tell you that you will have to inform me before u use the car, and i can just stop you from going into certain areas. Yeah that is not possible.

and uncle sam given f-16 to pakisatan only if pakistan will not use it against india. if pakistan ever broke the condition they will stop suplying the maintenance tools and other which necessary to run the aircraft.

corrections here they just didnt give it to us we purchased it so the correct term would be they sold us the F-16 rather then they gave them to us. And what will they US do in case of the war stop the supply, yeah if you dont remember but when ever india and Pakistan went to war US were the first ones to impose sanctions. So what do we stand to lose then, they will stop the supply any ways. Big deal.

And Ps u think that the uncle really believes that we will be using these weapons for the WOT, against the mighty TTP air force

 

[indushek]

I f any body can believe this BS he is the biggest Jack ***.

Don't know why such articles are posted, in time of war will america sit on the border or fly with PAF in these planes and see if they are attacking India and if so apply brakes on planes and missiles??