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US Drone strikes in Pakistan are illegal under international law.

Your expressed sentiment here is wholly justified and what most any patriotic person would say. So, WHY can't the US and Pakistan reach "convergence" on who the enemy is? Why can't Pakistan publicly say that the people being targeted in these drone strikes are enemies of Pakistan and that Pakistan supports the action of striking them? I don't understand why the USA and Pakistan's interests aren't convergent.

We can reach convergence on who the 'enemy' is - the fact that Pakistani intelligence is likely cooperating in target acquisition for the existing drone strikes would indicate that there is already a great deal of convergence.

The issue, as I see it, is from the US side - a case of 'have your cake and eat it too'. The US essentially wants carte blanche in conducting military operations on Pakistani soil, instead of parting with drone technology or providing higher technology equipment like Apaches and more transport helicopters. This is a problem with US attitudes, not Pakistani.
 
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If there is a desire to NOT transfer the technology (for whatever reason), does that make it a deal-breaker? Could there not be cooperation on both diplomatic and tactical scales? You could have Pakistani officers on every level, approving the strikes, and overseeing the process. And in fact the evidence right now is that this very thing is happening.

Why is this not acceptable? Aren't these terrorists a common enemy? In fact, aren't they an enemy of Islam, of all mankind for that matter?
 
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Nice, But atleast if the US kills a few Top slots then Pakistanis should not stand around just only for the applause for good team work But there should be some thing VISSIBLE to ARMY and People regarding that level of Cooperation with the US..!!

Further the guys in US fear that Pakistanis might endup sharing the Tech with the PRC due to its obvious close ties..!!!
 
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Nice, But atleast if the US kills a few Top slots then Pakis should not stand around just only for the applause for good team work

I am curious about this.
Why is it considered offensive when someone else uses it ?
This is starting to feel like the N word !
Soz for off topic.
 
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Nice, But atleast if the US kills a few Top slots then Pakistanis should not stand around just only for the applause for good team work But there should be some thing VISSIBLE to ARMY and People regarding that level of Cooperation with the US..!!

I don't disagree, but what I think is happening is this: There are a large proportion of Pakistanis who dislike the drone strikes. If they see the Pakistan government and military openly endorsing them, and being intimately involved with them, then if an innocent is killed (statistically impossible to avoid), then Pakistan becomes a part of that, and takes a political hit. By leaving it an apparently 100% U.S. effort, then the politicians reap the benefits and can deflect blame when needed.

Further the guys in US fear that Pakistanis might endup sharing the Tech with the PRC due to its obvious close ties..!!!

Is this an unreasonable fear? China/Pakistan relations are growing stronger. If China says "Give us a Predator, and we'll send you 1,000 AA missiles and 300 jet engines", that is a tempting offer. UCAVS don't look like much, but they are very high tech.
 
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Is this an unreasonable fear? China/Pakistan relations are growing stronger. If China says "Give us a Predator, and we'll send you 1,000 AA missiles and 300 jet engines", that is a tempting offer. UCAVS don't look like much, but they are very high tech.

But that could happen anyway. The GE404 engine designs, Boeing P8 Naval Aircraft, C-130J, C-17, Howitzers, Radars etc.. design can be passed to the Russians by the Indians if they promise them additional nuclear submarine leases and design air craft carriers. That could be more tempting with what you mentioned about the UCAVS.
 
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5 Taliban killed in latest US Predator strike in North Waziristan

By Bill Roggio, November 22, 2010

Earlier today, the US launched another airstrike in Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agency of North Waziristan, killing five terrorists.

Unmanned Predators or the more heavily armed and deadly Reapers fired a pair of missiles at a vehicle and a motorcycle in the village of Khushali in the Miramshah area, The Associated Press reported. Five Taliban fighters were reported killed. No senior al Qaeda or Taliban fighters have been reported killed in strike.

The village of Khushali is administered by Hafiz Gul Bahadar, the Taliban commander for North Waziristan. Bahadar also provides shelter to top al Qaeda leaders as well as terrorists from numerous Pakistani and Central Asian terror groups.


Read more: 5 Taliban killed in latest US Predator strike in North Waziristan - The Long War Journal
 
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Drone strikes will not hold any ground. Terrorist Warlords protected by ISAF are good and everyone else is a bad terrorist. Double standards will not get the results ISAF is looking for. If you do not believe it try this policy for another 5 years.
 
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MIRANSHAH, Pakistan, Nov 26, 2010 (AFP) - A US drone attack targeted a vehicle in Pakistan's northwestern tribal belt on Friday, killing three militants near the Afghan border, local security officials said.

The unmanned aircraft targeted the vehicle in Pir Keley village, 10 kilometres (six miles) east of Miranshah, the main town in North Waziristan tribal district, an infamous hotbed of militants.

"It was a US drone attack and three militants were killed," a Pakistani security official told AFP.

"It was not clear if any high value target was present in the area at the time of attack," he said, adding that identities of those killed in the strike were also not immediately known.

A second security official also confirmed the attack and the death toll.

Another intelligence official in Miranshah said the strike killed up to four militants.

More than 250 people have been killed in 47 strikes since September 3.
 
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US Predators kill 4 'militants' in Mir Ali

By Bill Roggio, November 28, 2010

Today the US launched yet another airstrike in the Mir Ali area of Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agency of North Waziristan, killing four terrorists in a strike on a vehicle as it traveled in an area known to host al Qaeda operatives plotting and training to carry out attacks against the West.

Unmanned Predators or the more heavily armed and deadly Reapers fired a pair of missiles at a vehicle as it traveled in the village of Hasan Khel in the Mir Ali area of North Waziristan, AFP reported.

Four Taliban fighters were reported killed, but no senior al Qaeda or Taliban fighters have been reported killed in the strike.

The Mir Ali area is in the sphere of influence of Abu Kasha al Iraqi, an al Qaeda leader who serves as a key link to the Taliban and supports al Qaeda's external operations network. Taliban leader Hafiz Gul Bahadar and the Haqqani Network also operate in the Mir Ali area. Mir Ali is a known hub for al Qaeda's military and external operations councils.


Read more: US Predators kill 4 'militants' in Mir Ali - The Long War Journal
 
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US drone attack kills four militants in Pakistan: officials

AFP, Yesterday

MIRANSHAH: A US drone attack targeting a vehicle travelling in Pakistan’s lawless northwestern tribal belt near the Afghan border killed four militants on Sunday, local security officials said.

The unmanned aircraft targeted the vehicle in Hasan Khel village, around 30 kilometres east of Miranshah, the main town in North Waziristan tribal district, and a known hub of Islamic militants.

“US drone fired two missiles, the vehicle is still on fire, we have reports that three militants were killed in this attack,” a local security official in Miranshah told AFP.

A security official in Peshawar also confirmed the incident and the toll.

Another security official in Miranshah said that identities of those killed in the strike were not immediately known.

US drone attack kills four militants in Pakistan: officials | Latest news, Breaking news, Pakistan News, World news, business, sport and multimedia | DAWN.COM
 
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Pakistan tribesman 'to sue CIA' over drone deaths

By Sajjad Tarakzai (AFP)

ISLAMABAD — A Pakistani tribesman is seeking 500 million dollars in compensation from the CIA after his son and brother were killed in America's covert drone war against Al-Qaeda, his lawyer said Monday.

Kareem Khan from North Waziristan, the district on the Afghan border where the US campaign has stepped up in recent months, said his house was hit by US missiles on December 31, 2009.

"That drone attack killed my son, my brother and a local man. We are not terrorists, we are common citizens," he told a news conference.

Pakistani intelligence officials said at the time that four militants were killed in the US missile strike in the Mir Ali area.

"We need justice. We are innocent people," Khan said Monday.

Lawyer Mirza Shehzad Akbar said he would file a lawsuit in Pakistan and, if necessary, the International Court of Justice based in The Hague.

"This is not a political case, this is a private complaint," Akbar said.

He told AFP that he had sent legal notices to US Defence Secretary Robert Gates, CIA director Leon Panetta and the CIA station chief in Islamabad through the US embassy in Pakistan.

"We have asked them to stop drone attacks in Pakistan and to pay my client 500 million US dollars' compensation," he said.

"If they fail to do so then we will file a lawsuit in an Islamabad court."

A copy of the notices seen by AFP described the drone attacks as "illegal" and a violation of human rights.

But the US embassy said it had not received communications from the lawyer. Local lawyers and rights experts cast serious doubt on Khan lodging a case and doubted the practicality of summoning US officials in a Pakistani court.

The US drone strikes are deeply controversial in Pakistan and the identities of those killed are often impossible to confirm independently.

Pakistan's semi-autonomous tribal belt has been described as an intelligence black hole, largely cut off to journalists and foreign aid workers.

The government publicly condemns the strikes as a violation of sovereignty and they have fanned anti-Americanism among the population.

"The people they have served notices to are in America and I don't think that it's practically possible to summon them," said Mehdi Hasan, chairman of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, condemning the drone strikes.

"This is just to try to build opinion and tell the world about this injustice and cruelty."

More than 1,270 people have been killed US strikes since August 2008.

The United States does not confirm drone attacks, but its military and the Central Intelligence Agency are the only forces that deploy unmanned aircraft in the region.
 
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US drone attack kills five militants in Pakistan: officials

AFP, December 6, 2010

MIRANSHAH: Missiles fired from a US drone on a vehicle and a house killed five militants in Pakistan’s lawless northwestern tribal belt near the Afghan border on Monday, security officials said.

The missile strike took place in Khysore village, 35 kilometres (20 miles) east of Miranshah, the main town of troubled North Waziristan tribal district.

“A US drone fired four missiles on a house and a vehicle,” a senior Pakistani security official told AFP. “At least five militants were killed.”A local intelligence and security official confirmed the strike and casualties.

“First the US drone fired two missiles on a militant vehicle and two of the occupants were killed, while three others escaped and hid in a shop adjacent to a house.

“The drone fired two more missiles on the shop and three of them were killed and three others were wounded,” the official said.

US drone attack kills five militants in Pakistan: officials | Pakistan | DAWN.COM
 
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US Predators strike al Qaeda stronghold in North Waziristan

By Bill Roggio, December 10, 2010

US Predators carried out another airstrike in Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agency of North Waziristan, killing four "militants."

The Predators or the more deadly Reapers struck a vehicle and a compound in the village of Khadar Khel in the Datta Khel area of North Waziristan today, according to reports from the region. The four terrorists were killed in the strike on the vehicle.

No senior al Qaeda or Taliban leaders have been reported killed in the strike.


Read more: US Predators strike al Qaeda stronghold in North Waziristan - The Long War Journal
 
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US drone attack kills 4 in North Waziristan

GEO Pakistan, Updated at: 1833 PST, Friday, December 10, 2010

US drone attack kills 4 in North Waziristan MIRANSHAH: Four militants were killed when a US drone fired two missiles in tribal region of North Waziristan on Friday, security officials said.

"The missiles hit a militant vehicle and a house in Khadar Khel town", about 40 kilometres (25 miles) west of the region's main town of Miranshah, a local security official said.

Another official said: "Four militants were killed and the vehicle was destroyed in the attack."

It was the second drone strike in the region this week.

US drone attack kills 4 in North Waziristan - GEO.tv
 
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