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US Congressional hearing may spell trouble for Pakistan

Pakistan is bisected by Indus River East of Indus river, and West of indus river, West is an occupied territory RalphPeters

Pakistani government is neither our friend nor the friend of Baloch. Ralph Peter

People of Balochistan have been going through torture for many years, world refused to look at them leave alone Pakistan TKumar

Pakistani intelligence agencies and Army is like a terror machine to the people of Balochistan TKumar

NO US weapon should be used in Balochistan. Mr. T Kumar

Balochistan was divided into 3 parts by the #British into british india and Afghanistan HosseinBor

4000 thousand Balochs disappear in Balochistan from 2001 .hussain borr

In Balochistan there are many perpetrators but highest amongst them is Pakisatni military AliDayan

An Independent Baluchistan would pretty much solve our supply route problem.

Pakistan has made us complicit in terrorism RalphPeters

We've been manipulated for a long time by #Pakistan
 
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'Such an issue must be addressed on bi-partisan basis. We should deal it as American. Ralph Peters
'If plebiscite held tomorrow, it would leave Pakistan.' Ralph Peters
'Maintaing borders, drawn by colonial powers, by sending US forces is not consistent with US values & interests.' Rohrabacher
Balochs are secular and they are against Pakistan Taliban alliance..M.Hussain Bor

Watch the webcast of the hearing

House Committee on Foreign Affairs, Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations, Baluchistan, Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA), Chairman - Hearing Livestream
 
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Human rights abuses: US committee hears grievances of Balochistan

WASHINGTON: In the packed Room 2200 of the Rayburn Office Building, members of the House Foreign Affairs’ Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations began hearing human rights activists and scholars detail human rights abuses in Balochistan.

The hearing chaired by Congressman (R) Dana Rohrabacher, who last week introduced a bill in the House of Representatives to award Dr. Shakil Afridi with US citizenship. In his opening remarks, Rep. Rohrabacher said that Balochistan is a turbulent land marred by human rights violations “by regimes that are against US values”.

Rep. Rohrabacher outlined the history of Pakistan’s creation, and highlighted Balochistan’s grievances vis a vis natural resources, said that the province’s wealth was being taken by dominant Punjabi elite.

Addressing the committee, scholar Christine Fair said that while she understood emotions ran high, targeted killings were also being carried out by the Baloch.

In his submitted testimony to the committee, Amnesty International’s Advocacy Director T. Kumar called on the US to “apply the Leahy Amendment without waivers to all Pakistani military units in Balochistan.”

Ali Dayan Hasan, the Pakistan director for Human Rights Watch, in his submitted remarks, said that cases documented by the HRW show that Pakistan’s security forces and its intelligence agencies were involved in the enforced disappearance of ethnic Baloch. The HRW representative asked the US government in his recommendations to “communicate directly to the agencies responsible for disappearances and other abuses including the army, ISI, IB, Frontier Corps, police and other law enforcement and intelligence agencies, to demand an end to abuses and facilitate criminal inquiries to hold perpetrators accountable.”

Hasan dubbed the military’s role in the province as brutal, and an occupying one. He clarified that the HRW took no position on the issue of the independence of Balochistan. He argued that the US and UK had made enforced disappearances possible by allowing them during the war on terror, which has led to the military doing the same. Christine Fair added that Pakistan’s abuse of human rights have served the US’ interests.

In his testimony, analyst Ralph Peters called Pakistan a supporter of terrorism, and said that Pakistan had made the US complicit too by launching attacks against India such as the Mumbai attack.

The hearing, which lasted a little over an hour, came to an end as congressmen decided to go to the floor for a vote. In his closing remarks, Rep. Rohrabacher declared that the hearing was no stunt, and that they wanted to start a national dialogue on what US policy should be in that part of the world.

State Department distances itself from Balochistan hearing

When asked about the Congressional hearing on Balochistan, State Department spokesperson Victoria Nuland said that their view on Balochistan remains unchanged. “Congress holds hearings on many foreign affairs topics. These hearings don’t necessarily imply that the US Government endorses one view or another view. I’d underscore that the State Department is not participating or involved in this hearing today.”

The spokesperson referred to comments she had made recently on Balochistan on Twitter, “We emphasise that the United States engages with Pakistan on a whole range of issues, including ways to foster economic development and expand opportunity in Balochistan.”

When asked whether the US supports a demand for an independent Balochistan, Nuland said, “Our view on this has not changed, and you know where we’ve been on Balochistan. We encourage all the parties in Balochistan to work out their differences peacefully and through a valid political process.”

Human rights abuses: US committee hears grievances of Balochistan – The Express Tribune


U.S. will not accomplish anything. This will do only more harm than any good. Even the pro-American memebers in the military and government will not trust U.S. intentions in the region.
 
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They can do all the congressional hearings they want, won't make a difference.

The U.S has no right to say anything about Balochistan considering their "allies" and "friends" are human right abusers (india, Israel, etc)
 
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Dana Rochrabacher with Taliban




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Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, November/December 1996 issue

Rogue Statesman

by R. Scott Moxley

"[Rohrabacher] says the Taliban are devout traditionalists—not terrorists or revolutionaries. He believes a Taliban takeover [of Afghanistan] would be a positive development."

... "Listen! Hold on!" said Rohrabacher. "I am a bigger expert on Afghanistan than any member of Congress." ...

A November/December 1996 article in Washington Report on Middle East Affairs reported, "The potential rise of power of the Taliban does not alarm Rohrabacher" because the congressman believes the "Taliban could provide stability in an area where chaos was creating a real threat to the U.S." Later in the article, Rohrabacher claimed that:

Taliban leaders are "not terrorists or revolutionaries."

Media reports documenting the Taliban’s harsh, radical beliefs were "nonsense."

The Taliban would develop a "disciplined, moral society" that did not harbor terrorists.

The Taliban posed no threat to the U.S.


Rogue Statesman
 
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Bl[i]tZ;2579265 said:
Baloch culture is consistent with american values. Sherman

Celebrating the 'culture' of burying women alive

In the midst of massive political, economic and social crisis faced by the country, the shocking news of the barbaric incident of burying five women alive in the name of tribal honour in the district Nasirabad, Balochistan, and the subsequent defence of the brutal act as the Baloch tradition in the Senate by Israrullah Zehri and Jan Mohammad Jamali, has made many think that with such a misogynist and criminal mindset of our public representatives, what hope do we have to survive as a nation and pull ourselves out of multiple crises.
Celebrating the culture of burying women alive - Dr Farzana Bari and Sarwar Bari




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Senator Israrullah Zahri from Balochistan province Friday, August 29, 2008 tried to justify the crime of burying women alive by Umrani tribal elders. He told the Upper House, ‘It is a Baloch tribal tradition (to bury accused women alive) and we have to respect it’.
 
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Bl[i]tZ;2579525 said:
The thread is about Balochistan. Why do keep on deflecting the question by pointing to others to avoid confronting the main issue?

The testimony of the M. Hossein Bor (Baloch representative) in the Congressional hearing and the documentary by Al jazeera recently seems to suggest that Baloch never wanted to be part of Pakistan. If that is to believed, technically they do qualify for self determination (which you're so fond of).

Neither is Balochistan interested in joining the union of India and nor does anyone have any such unrealistic dreams. I never knew the seriousness of this issues and history of Balochistan before this testimony.

The discussion is about Balochistan and its desire to separate from Pakistan. Lets keep the discussion to there.

We are not deflecting any questions because there are no questions to begin with. Baluchistan is a internal matter of Pakistan period, any US congressional hearing is neither of any importance nor does it endorse the official policy of the US towards Pakistan. Come back and start babbling once the territory is declared disputed if that ever happens, till then worry about the already declared disputed territory under your illegal control.
 
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We are not deflecting any questions because there are no questions to begin with. Baluchistan is a internal matter of Pakistan period, any US congressional hearing is neither of any importance nor does it endorse the official policy of the US towards Pakistan. Come back and start babbling once the territory is declared disputed if that ever happens, till then worry about the already declared disputed territory under your illegal control.

Does a territory have to be disputed to require military/political intervention? If the people of the land want to part away it happens if an external power comes to its aid.

You've surely not read about the Bangladesh liberation war. (East Pakistan was never a disputed territory)
 
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US is using the Baloch issue to hard bargain supply routes to Afghanistan. Nothing to do with human rights or independence, the US cares a damn for the Baloch people who are suffering. Pakistan can quickly solve this issue if they grant autonomy to the Baloch and give them a fair share of their mineral resources.
 
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US is using the Baloch issue to hard bargain supply routes to Afghanistan. Nothing to do with human rights or independence, the US cares a damn for the Baloch people who are suffering. Pakistan can quickly solve this issue if they grant autonomy to the Baloch and give them a fair share of their mineral resources.

They will get nothing out of this hearing. Pakistan army and ISI know each and every place in Balochistan province, and they can't be blackmailed. I saw the clip of the hearing, and most of them didn't even know what they were talking about its all a big joke. U.S. will not wage war on Nuclear Power Pakistan to free Balochistan, especially when 40% of Balochistan are Pakhtuns, the same warrior ethnic group who they are fighting in Afghanistan. ISI and Pakistan army can unite all of Pakistan against U.S. in less than 24 hours. Already anti-american sentiments are growing in Pakistan. What do these people want, all Pakistanis to be anti-american? American politicians are not very smart.
 
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Bl[i]tZ;2579547 said:
Does a territory have to be disputed to require military/political intervention? If the people of the land want to part away it happens if an external power comes to its aid.

You've surely not read about the Bangladesh liberation war. (East Pakistan was never a disputed territory)

Few Baloch thugs does not represent the entire people of Baluchistan and neither does India or the US of A. And yes i have heard about Bangladesh and India's sponsored terrorism there. But Baluchistan is a entirely different matter and circumstances are very different. Any means of force used to separate Baluchistan because of certain vested interest will result in a nuclear retaliation. Read Pakistan's nuclear doctrine about loosing a large portion of its territory. And while the US of A may not be in reach, India definitely is, so if you guys really think you can 1st sponsor terrorism and latter intervene just like Bangladesh, then think again.
 
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Few Baloch thugs does not represent the entire people of Baluchistan and neither does India or the US of A. And yes i have heard about Bangladesh and India's sponsored terrorism there. But Baluchistan is a entirely different matter and circumstances are very different. Any means of force used to separate Baluchistan because of certain vested interest will result in a nuclear retaliation. Read Pakistan's nuclear doctrine about loosing a large portion of its territory. And while the US of A may not be in reach, India definitely is, so if you guys really think you can 1st sponsor terrorism and latter intervene just like Bangladesh, then think again.

Go read post # 100

"Neither Balochistan is interested in joining the union of India and nor does anyone in India have any such unrealistic dreams. "

The testimony is in the US, its the US Congressman who claim that Balochistan should have right of self determination. No Indian politician/bureaucrat has ever talked about Balochistan. I don't think dismemberment of Pakistan is good for India. Bangladesh had a strategic perspective to it as well (you covered both our flanks, those days.)

As for Pakistan's nuclear weapons in the US context, first be brave and ask the US to stop those drone attacks.
 
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Bl[i]tZ;2579465 said:
Open your own thread for the evil-doings of Hindus and Yahudis but this thread deals about muslims killing muslims in Balochistan.

Deflecting the spotlight on your actions by pointing at others doesn't change the fact that there are human rights abuses in Balochistan.

The Amnesty guy in testimony says that 4000 Balochs have forcibly disappeared since the insurgency broke out in 2005.
As has been pointed out in the Balochistan Sticky, the 'thousands of Baloch disappeared' number is incorrect and contradicted by various sources, including claims by Baloch nationalists.
 
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After the misrebally failed attempts at Pak supporting / funding Taliban drama, then the Pak nukes falling into AQ / Extremists hands, this is the new drama the US has come up, and i am sure this will further allienate the Pakistani nation and the US will be successful in making Pakistan an enemy. Such steps by the US will harm the relations further rather then making things better.

And now they real intentions of the US are clear, they are trully the biggest hypocrites that we can find out there.
 
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An Independent Baluchistan would pretty much solve our supply route problem.

Lol there goes all the concerns for so called human rights violations. This is the real "human right violation" that is itching Uncle sam. These pathetic losers haven't learn any lesson from the ten years beating they have received at the hands of Taliban and in Iraq. Doing same cr@p blunders again and again.
 
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