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US Congress passes Israel strategic partnership bill

American leaders have traditionally explained the foundations of the U.S.-Israel relationship by citing shared democratic values and the moral responsibility America bears to protect the small nation-state of the Jewish people. Although accurate and essential, this characterization is incomplete because it fails to capture a third, crucial aspect: the many ways in which Israel advances U.S. national interests.

Today, Israeli contributions to U.S. national interests cover a broad spectrum. Through joint training, exercises and exchanges on military doctrine, the United States has benefited in the areas of counter-terrorism, intelligence and experience in urban warfare. Increasingly, U.S. homeland security and military agencies are turning to Israeli technology to solve some of their most vexing technical and strategic problems.

This support includes advice and expertise on behavioral screening techniques for airport security and acquisition of an Israeli-produced tactical radar system to enhance force protection. Israel has been a world leader in the development of unmanned aerial systems, both for intelligence collection and combat, and it has shared with the U.S. military the technology, the doctrine and its experience regarding these systems. Israel is also a global pacesetter in armored vehicle protection, defense against short-range rockets, and the techniques and procedures of robotics, all of which it has shared with the United States.

Israeli-developed defense equipment, some of which benefited from generous U.S. aid, now used by the U.S. military include short-range unmanned aircraft systems that have seen service in Iraq and Afghanistan; targeting pods on hundreds of Air Force, Navy and Marine strike aircraft; a revolutionary helmet-mounted sight that is standard in nearly all frontline Air Force and Navy fighter aircraft; lifesaving armor installed in thousands of MRAP armored vehicles used in Iraq and Afghanistan; and a gun system for close-in defense of naval vessels against terrorist dinghies and small-boat swarms. Moreover, U.S. and Israeli companies are working together to produce Israel's Iron Dome — the world's first combat-proven counter-rocket system.

Counter-terrorism and intelligence cooperation is deep and extensive, with the United States and Israel working to advance their common interest in defeating the terrorism of Hamas, Hezbollah and Al Qaeda and its affiliate groups, and preventing nuclear proliferation in the region. There are joint Special Forces training and exercises and collaboration on shared targets.

This intimate relationship reinforces overall U.S. intelligence efforts by providing Washington with access to Israel's unique set of capabilities for information collection and assessments on key countries and issues in the region. Such was the case, for example, when Israel passed to the United States conclusive photographic evidence in 2007 that Syria, with North Korean assistance, had made enormous strides toward "going hot" with a plutonium-producing reactor.

My question was how is the support Israel gets from the US beneficial to the them(America) when anyone can clearly see it’s not. The main reason for the distrust/hatred from the Arab world to the US all stems from the bias support they give to Israel. So you saying it’s in American interest to support Israel is just laughable when it’s the clearly the exact opposite. I can’t think of any other country that is more of a hindrance to US then Israel and the rest of your post is about technology/military training which I don’t think America is need of any help especially not by supporting a country that practices apartheid.
 
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My question was how is the support Israel gets from the US beneficial to the them(America) when anyone can clearly see it’s not. The main reason for the distrust/hatred from the Arab world to the US all stems from the bias support they give to Israel. So you saying it’s in American interest to support Israel is just laughable when it’s the clearly the exact opposite. I can’t think of any other country that is more of a hindrance to US then Israel and the rest of your post is about technology/military training which I don’t think America is need of any help especially not by supporting a country that practices apartheid.

Like any strategic relationships between nations, the relationship between Israel and the United States is far from perfect. One of the reasons that the two countries have issues with is the sale of military technology to third parties, something that the US is against.

In regards to the issue of benefits, I think I have listed that already, but to reiterate main points:

1) security information regarding the surrounding region
2) military technology data analysis
3) counter-terrorism
 
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Like any strategic relationships between nations, the relationship between Israel and the United States is far from perfect. One of the reasons that the two countries have issues with is the sale of military technology to third parties, something that the US is against.

In regards to the issue of benefits, I think I have listed that already, but to reiterate main points:

1) security information regarding the surrounding region
2) military technology data analysis
3) counter-terrorism
What do you think outweighs the pros or the cons in this relationship?
 
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Not true, no figures state US stockpile was 1.6$ billion.
From your own article:

The legislation would expand the US weapons stockpile in Israel by some $200 million in value, to a total of $1.8 billion

That means stockpile was 1.6 billion and increased to 1.8 bln. As I said u cant even add numbers.

You know yourself how nonsensical it is to compare nuclear stockpile intended to combat Russia with munitions/missiles stockpile meant for Israeli bombing of Gaza or Lebanon. Not including hellfire missile shipments.
US has military presence all over the world. Stockpiles are needed to save transportation costs.

Israel definitely gets in various ways an aid package with worth of over 7$ billion easily.
Alas u failed to prove that.

Israel did not fund JSF program yet it is first to receive batch of F-35 fighters
Both statements are wrong:

1) First foreign countries which received F-35 are UK and Netherlands (LRIP-3). Israel is going to receive its first planes from LRIP-8 together with Japan, Norway, UK and Italy.
2) Israel payed 50 mln for Security Cooperative Participant status.

along with custom made Israeli avionics as they like it which is payed for by US once again.
More of ur nonsense.

And other grants that go to Israel, or other bank loans that go to Israel.
I've already proved its not true.

And if we count US war on Iraq for Israel that is is trillions in aid. Or other US interventions
Iran and Syria benefited from the US war in Iraq more than anyone else. So US provides trillions of aid to Iran according to ur logic.

Hell, US currently is even fighting for Assad.
 
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In my opinion the pros definitely outweigh the cons right now, in regards to US strategic interests.
The fact you could hardly list 3 pros all which can be done without Israel (in all likelihood in a more efficient way as the US wouldn't have to worry about Israel's interest) and could concentrate on its own with an added benefit of huge improvements in relations and trust with the Arab world.
 
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From your own article:

The legislation would expand the US weapons stockpile in Israel by some $200 million in value, to a total of $1.8 billion

That means stockpile was 1.6 billion and increased to 1.8 bln. As I said u cant even add numbers.

No, at the time they stated it was around 1$billion.

1) First foreign countries which received F-35 are UK and Netherlands (LRIP-3). Israel is going to receive its first planes from LRIP-8 together with Japan, Norway, UK and Italy.

Israel did not fund JSF program.

Israel Will Be First Non-U.S. Customer To Fly F-35 | Defense content from Aviation Week

More of ur nonsense.

"Israel's defense industry could reap major contracts under a reported agreement by the Pentagon and Lockheed Martin to install Israeli-made electronic warfare systems in the F-35I, the designation of the Israeli versions of the JSF."

Read more: Israeli air force prepares for Lockheed Martin's F-35 fighters - UPI.com
I've already proved its not true.

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'The figures do not include loan guarantees amounting to about $19 billion that Washington has granted Israel in recent years to make it easier for it to borrow overseas.'

Iran and Syria benefited from the US war in Iraq more than anyone else. So US provides trillions of aid to Iran according to ur logic.

No they didn't.
 
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The fact you could hardly list 3 pros all which can be done without Israel (in all likelihood in a more efficient way as the US wouldn't have to worry about Israel's interest) and could concentrate on its own with an added benefit of huge improvements in relations and trust with the Arab world.

But why should we view the geostrategic reality of the Middle East through splitting lens of black and white? It is evident that the United States has a dynamic relationship with other key nations such as Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, UAE, Egypt, Turkey. Sure the relationship is far from perfect, but its a working one with mutual interests , ergo in fighting the threat of ISIS/ ISIL et al. From analyzing the United States' foreign policy, it seems to be quite prudent in maintaining its multilateral relationships with key partner(s). Its just that Israel is one of its key stone partners.
 
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But why should we view the geostrategic reality of the Middle East through splitting lens of black and white? It is evident that the United States has a dynamic relationship with other key nations such as Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, UAE, Egypt, Turkey. Sure the relationship is far from perfect, but its a working one with mutual interests , ergo in fighting the threat of ISIS/ ISIL et al. From analyzing the United States' foreign policy, it seems to be quite prudent in maintaining its multilateral relationships with key partner(s). Its just that Israel is one of its key stone partners.

You said that American support to Israel is beneficial to America and it’s just not true. The only country benefiting from this relationship is Israel.
 
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No, at the time they stated it was around 1$billion.
My figures are from ur own article.

Israel did not fund JSF program.
Israel payed 50 mln.

Israel Will Be First Non-U.S. Customer To Fly F-35 | Defense content from Aviation Week
Israel maybe first to make their F-35 operational. But UK and Holland are already flying their F-35. Israel will receive its first F-35 in 2 years. Italy, Japan, Norway, UK will also receive F-35th from same batch with Israel.

BBC News - UK receives first F-35 stealth fighter jet from US
First Dutch F-35 pilot takes to skies > U.S. Air Force > Article Display

"Israel's defense industry could reap major contracts under a reported agreement by the Pentagon and Lockheed Martin to install Israeli-made electronic warfare systems in the F-35I, the designation of the Israeli versions of the JSF."
It nowhere says that US will pay for Israeli avionics.

'The figures do not include loan guarantees amounting to about $19 billion that Washington has granted Israel in recent years to make it easier for it to borrow overseas.'
Israel is not using these guarantees:

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No they didn't.
US is bombing IS and Nusra. Both are Assad enemies. Thus US is fighting for Assad.
 
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What is your take on this issue @Syed.Ali.Haider , @MastanKhan , @WebMaster , @American Pakistani ?



Its apparent that we have opposing views regarding this issue. May I request that we just agree to disagree?

I have learned to say little about this topic of Israel on PDF, since it brings forth totally irrational hatred that does not serve any useful purpose in the context of discussions here. Let differing views be there for those who wish to hold them, but USA will pursue its national interests all across the globe, and this includes the very close relationship with Israel.
 
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Israel payed 50 mln.

Show me a source which states Israel funded JSF program. It is not part of it.

Israel maybe first to make their F-35 operational. But UK and Holland are already flying their F-35. Israel will receive its first F-35 in 2 years. Italy, Japan, Norway, UK will also receive F-35th from same batch with Israel.

They have prototypes to make final decision on whether they want A or B. Israel is getting first batch.

It nowhere says that US will pay for Israeli avionics.

Yes it does, it clearly states US will give Israeli military industry more money to purchase their own avionics to put their selves on the F35-I batches Israel is getting. So US gives Israel 3.4 billion to use for any weapons, on top of that they offer to purchase over 1.5$ Israeli avionics and install them themselves. So almost 5$ billion for free. :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:


Israel is not using these guarantees:

Earlier you said Israel does not get any grants/loans, liar. You lied.

Doesn't matter if they use them or not, it still 19$ billion in grants available for use anytime and is all allocated to Israel. So let's do math. 2013-2003=10 years.

19/10=1.9$ billion in grants per year. So the 3.4$ billion in military aid plus 2 billion in grants equals 5.4 billion not including 1.8 billion of stockpiles.

I have learned to say little about this topic of Israel on PDF, since it brings forth totally irrational hatred that does not serve any useful purpose in the context of discussions here. Let differing views be there for those who wish to hold them, but USA will pursue its national interests all across the globe, and this includes the very close relationship with Israel.

You're the only irrational person here. Referring to any legitimate criticism of Israel as 'irrational hatred' is irrational. And of course criticism even if unjust against victims of Israeli policy is moral and correct. You have a bias, but for the immoral and wrong thing while I have it because I'm right.
 
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