US Congress passes Israel strategic partnership bill

[ozzy22]

American foreign policy is linked to Israel considering Israel is the keystone in American operations in that region, historically. Tho I would deign to conjecture that the United States prefers the state of Israel to remain strong so that it would deflect threats in the region. Israel serves America's purpose in that it bears the brunt of regional angst , if Israel did not exist, then the United Stayes would be forced to deal with some players directly. Having Israel there benefits America and 5 billion or so is negligible compared to what would be spent in a direct strategic confrontation.

How has the American undying support for Israel helped them in the Middle East? I would say it had done the exact opposite.

U.S. policies in the region include:

• Helping Iraqis build a unified, stable, and prosperous country;
• Renewing progress toward the two-state solution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict;
• Working against terrorists and their state sponsors, as well as against the spread of weapons of mass destruction; and
• Supporting efforts at economic and political reform in the region.

• Glad their trying to rebuild something that they have destroyed.
• With the Americans in the forefront of the process of two state solution with their clear bias to one side. It will only take a few more decades for the two state solution to be achieved.
• The fact they have created more extremist with their interventions (the kind the Middle East has never seen before) I think more intervention is what the Middle East needs. Please may I have more death and destruction is what they are asking for.
• US doesn't need to point a gun on anyone’s heads for them to do business with as most countries in the region already have close economic ties with and have had them for a long time.

 

[500]

During assault on Gaza they had access to all 1.8$ billion in munitions stockpile.

Thats lie.

And in the same year US renewed the whole stockpile with 1.8$ billion as source states.

Again lie. US did not "renew" the stockpile, but INCREASED it by 200 mln (not 1.8 billion). And this stockpile is US property. In some cases Israel can take weapons from there but it pays for them just like any other delivery.

The stockpile is intended for Israeli use and nothing else.

Another lie.

Which makes that in 2014 at least 7.2 billion dollars.

LOL even if accept ur false numbers u cant reach 7.2 billion in any way. You cant even add numbers. No wonder that u are stateless.

And Israel gets more than 1$ short/long term annual loans from US banks.

Another lie.

5 lies in one post, thats too much even for u, Hazzy.

 

[Falcon29]

Again lie. US did not "renew" the stockpile, but INCREASED it by 200 mln (not 1.8 billion). And this stockpile is US property. In some cases Israel can take weapons from there but it pays for them just like any other delivery.

Yeah sure.

At first they said it was worth 1$ billion. And Israel had access to whole stockpile during war. So if you're saying they increased it by 200$ million. Let's do math. It was originally worth 1$ billion according to media reports, so somehow 600$ million was added another once again increased by 200$ million. So that is 800$ million used by Israel if we take conservative estimates. Everyone knows the stockpile is worth much more than that. But even by your estimates, that is close to 2.8$ billion which is all intended for Israel in year of 2014. Along with Bank loans that is well near 8-9 billion including grants.

When you accuse people of lying provide your rebuttal, so far you haven't given not one single rebuttal.

 

[haman10]

Thats lie.

Another lie.

Another lie.

5 lies in one post, thats too much even for u, Hazzy.

sure he is the liar here , u zionist ?

 

[Falcon29]

How has the American undying support for Israel helped them in the Middle East? I would say it had done the exact opposite.

• Glad their trying to rebuild something that they have destroyed.
• With the Americans in the forefront of the process of two state solution with their clear bias to one side. It will only take a few more decades for the two state solution to be achieved.
• The fact they have created more extremist with their interventions (the kind the Middle East has never seen before) I think more intervention is what the Middle East needs. Please may I have more death and destruction is what they are asking for.
• US doesn't need to point a gun on anyone’s heads for them to do business with as most countries in the region already have close economic ties with and have had them for a long time.

Very well said Ozzy, you are definitely think tank material. I will vote for you to be next think-tank. I wonder how he will respond to your rebuttal.

 

[500]

Yeah sure.

At first they said it was worth 1$ billion. And Israel had access to whole stockpile during war. So if you're saying they increased it by 200$ million. Let's do math. It was originally worth 1$ billion according to media reports, so somehow 600$ million was added another once again increased by 200$ million. So that is 800$ million used by Israel if we take conservative estimates. Everyone knows the stockpile is worth much more than that. But even by your estimates, that is close to 2.8$ billion which is all intended for Israel in year of 2014.

The US stockpile was 1.6 billion and its increased to 1.8 bln. You turned that stockpile into an annual aid. Which is a moronic lie. Stockpile is just stockpile. For example US has stockpile of nuclear bombs in Turkey. Does it means that US aided Turkey with nukes?

If you have any proof that Israel uses 1.8 billion each year for free, plz provide us. Until that its a lie. But even this stupid lie does not help u to get 7.2 billion as u claimed.

Along with Bank loans that is well near 8-9 billion including grants.

Another stupid lie without any proofs. More over I can prove that its a lie:

http://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf

Israel is not using loans since 2004 (and loan is loan not aid, Israel always returned all its loans).

Your stupid lies work only with genocidical morons like haman10, but normal people wont buy it. Thats why u are and always will be stateless.

 

[Steve781]

In terms of espionage US intelligence agencies consider Israel their number two enemy behind China.

 

[ozzy22]

Very well said Ozzy, you are definitely think tank material. I will vote for you to be next think-tank. I wonder how he will respond to your rebuttal.

Thanks for the kind words much appreciated.

 

[Falcon29]

The US stockpile was 1.6 billion and its increased to 1.8 bln. You turned that stockpile into an annual aid. Which is a moronic lie. Stockpile is just stockpile.

Not true, no figures state US stockpile was 1.6$ billion. All of them stated that it was approximately $1 billion. So it has to be increase of 800$ million or someone isn't telling truth.

For example US has stockpile of nuclear bombs in Turkey. Does it means that US aided Turkey with nukes?

You know yourself how nonsensical it is to compare nuclear stockpile intended to combat Russia with munitions/missiles stockpile meant for Israeli bombing of Gaza or Lebanon. Not including hellfire missile shipments.

If you have any proof that Israel uses 1.8 billion each year for free, plz provide us. Until that its a lie. But even this stupid lie does not help u to get 7.2 billion as u claimed.

Israel definitely gets in various ways an aid package with worth of over 7$ billion easily. Israel did not fund JSF program yet it is first to receive batch of F-35 fighters along with custom made Israeli avionics as they like it which is payed for by US once again. Let alone your other weapons systems, intelligence funding that goes to Israel. And other grants that go to Israel, or other bank loans that go to Israel. This stockpile, loans, weapons funding, free access to billion dollars weapons program with free add on is all besides the stated public figure of annual 3.4$ billion.

And if we count US war on Iraq for Israel that is is trillions in aid. Or other US interventions.

 

[Nexus]

Hazzy at his best. Lying about 5 billion then 9 billion. And then also complains. No wonder that you guys are still stateless.

ForeignAssistance.gov
http://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf

He is a Muslim. .

 

[Aepsilons]

Nihon, buddy, you're starting to concern me. First you offer me a welcomed (and I do mean that sincerely please don't think I'm being sarcastic or critical), but highly unexpected dissertation on the Philippine's economic, political and geographic situation, now you are soliciting my views on politics... Might I offer you my business card, I might need to see you in my office.

- I'm just messing with you... mostly (I would like to see you in my office, but only to shake your hand and buy you a drink after work), but in general I stay far away from politics, especially hotly contested issues such as US-China relations or US support for Israel, though I do value your interest in reading my views. I must respectfully decline however. Politics just isn't my thing. Everyone has their views, a willingness to present them to others, but an unwillingness to find a consensus with those who have contrary views. Even in discussions on forums such as PDF, political debates end up in a gridlock like the US Congress and since they often go nowhere, other then each calling the other an idiot for holding contrary views to one's self, I stay away from these debates, though I'm not politically apathetic. I have an interest in politics and a firm grasp on domestic and international issues, just not an interest in discussing such things.

If you'd like a nice rundown on US-Israel military relations or equipment, I would be glad to offer and have much to provide in that realm.

I'll say this though, in response to @al-Hasani - the US tax payer doesn't gain much. Israel often goes against US wishes and interests. It and Turkey spar, Israel provides US know-how and equipment to China, and it causes problems that the US wishes it wouldn't... such as the assassination of Iranian nuclear scientists. However, we support Israel as it is one of the more stable nations in the region, though the US tax payers largely would rather the US leave the Middle-East, Israel included, to implode. Our friendship with Israel is largely to thank for Israels good relations with Jordan, Saudi Arabia and other nations in the region, so our relationship isn't all bad from a political perspective.

Israel can stand on it's own, it no longer needs the US to help prop it up. It's military, political and economic situations are stable, the US should leave the region to itself and only intervene when the greater stability of the region is threatened... rather then us cause problems were none existed before.

The US should take a neutral stance. As in neither support nor deny Palestinian statehood, neither support nor condemn Israeli settlements, the US should take no side in any debate in the Middle-East... we shouldn't concern ourselves with that region at all.

Hi Sveny boy! Thanks for that in-depth response. I agree with you that there are some issues in US Foreign Policy that I'm not too to keen on supporting, in fact, id even give my personal objections to those. In regards to US foreign policy in the regions adjacent to Israel, I'd agree with you that the remarkable development between Israel and Jordan (as what one can see when an actual peace treaty is realized with Israel). This is one of the reasons why I hope that Saudi Arabia can eventually create a peace treaty with Israel.

Asset Test: How the United States Benefits from Its Alliance with Israel


The U.S.-Israel relationship has traditionally been defined in terms of a moral obligation, shared cultural and political values, and common strategic interests. Since the end of the Cold War, however, the two governments have preferred not to publicly discuss the details of their security relationship, while other types of crucial cooperation have gone unrecognized by the media and other observers, making it easier for critics to portray Israel as a liability rather than an asset.

In this report, Michael Eisenstadt and David Pollock highlight the numerous, often-ignored benefits of the special bilateral relationship. In the hard security realm, Israel remains an important partner in dealing with evolving terrorist and military threats as well as preserving the competitiveness of the U.S. defense-industrial base through joint development efforts and cutting-edge technology. Just as important, Israel has facilitated U.S. efforts to deal with emerging soft security challenges related to economic competitiveness, the information technology revolution, resource sustainability, and public health.

 

[Falcon29]

He is a Muslim. .

@Horus

 

[Aepsilons]

How has the American undying support for Israel helped them in the Middle East? I would say it had done the exact opposite.

American leaders have traditionally explained the foundations of the U.S.-Israel relationship by citing shared democratic values and the moral responsibility America bears to protect the small nation-state of the Jewish people. Although accurate and essential, this characterization is incomplete because it fails to capture a third, crucial aspect: the many ways in which Israel advances U.S. national interests.

Today, Israeli contributions to U.S. national interests cover a broad spectrum. Through joint training, exercises and exchanges on military doctrine, the United States has benefited in the areas of counter-terrorism, intelligence and experience in urban warfare. Increasingly, U.S. homeland security and military agencies are turning to Israeli technology to solve some of their most vexing technical and strategic problems.

This support includes advice and expertise on behavioral screening techniques for airport security and acquisition of an Israeli-produced tactical radar system to enhance force protection. Israel has been a world leader in the development of unmanned aerial systems, both for intelligence collection and combat, and it has shared with the U.S. military the technology, the doctrine and its experience regarding these systems. Israel is also a global pacesetter in armored vehicle protection, defense against short-range rockets, and the techniques and procedures of robotics, all of which it has shared with the United States.

Israeli-developed defense equipment, some of which benefited from generous U.S. aid, now used by the U.S. military include short-range unmanned aircraft systems that have seen service in Iraq and Afghanistan; targeting pods on hundreds of Air Force, Navy and Marine strike aircraft; a revolutionary helmet-mounted sight that is standard in nearly all frontline Air Force and Navy fighter aircraft; lifesaving armor installed in thousands of MRAP armored vehicles used in Iraq and Afghanistan; and a gun system for close-in defense of naval vessels against terrorist dinghies and small-boat swarms. Moreover, U.S. and Israeli companies are working together to produce Israel's Iron Dome — the world's first combat-proven counter-rocket system.

Counter-terrorism and intelligence cooperation is deep and extensive, with the United States and Israel working to advance their common interest in defeating the terrorism of Hamas, Hezbollah and Al Qaeda and its affiliate groups, and preventing nuclear proliferation in the region. There are joint Special Forces training and exercises and collaboration on shared targets.

This intimate relationship reinforces overall U.S. intelligence efforts by providing Washington with access to Israel's unique set of capabilities for information collection and assessments on key countries and issues in the region. Such was the case, for example, when Israel passed to the United States conclusive photographic evidence in 2007 that Syria, with North Korean assistance, had made enormous strides toward "going hot" with a plutonium-producing reactor.

 

[Falcon29]

@ozzy22

He's a crusader(and socially awkward lowlife). Looking forward to your response.

 

[Aepsilons]

@ozzy22

He's a crusader(and socially awkward lowlife). Looking forward to your response.

What a malicious personal attack. Please debate and don't resort to personal insults.