War is war. I come from a very old nation. We know how humans are.
So let me get this straight, you come from an old nation and you know how humans are. Despite that, you choose to be a part of NATO that has imposed war on Iraq, Afghanistan, Serbia, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Mali, Cameroon and Yemen?
Half a million Iraqi children died due to lack of medicine as a consequence of economic sanctions imposed by a NATO member state, and this according to you falls under the argument that "
war is war?"
So the Iraqi children aren't human enough for you to stand up to your government and hold them to account for what they did in Iraq?
Are you sure you are from this planet?
Without own nuclear weapons and with no military alliance, we would suffer opression.
Oh so by that argument, tomorrow if Iran is attacked it only has itself to blame for not developing Nuclear Weapons and for not being part of a military alliance. That would make Iran's predicament, one which is doomed, right?
It's justifiable to see Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria and Yemen be destroyed because they had no nukes and they weren't part of a military alliance, correct?
And here I thought Greeks were known for their sound logic. Doesn't sound logical at all from any angle one looks at your argument, my friend.
There are only two options for Europe regarding that without NATO. We would either arm evry country nuclear or create a European Army with around 1000 nuclear weapons to be able to defend Europe against autocratic regimes.
Are you sure about that? Because the last time I checked, Europe's historical track record has been to go to other people's land, occupy it forcibly and then proclaim that land and it's people, colonized. We have countries in three continents that could take Europe to the international court and demand blood for blood and wealth returned, plundered by those oh so noble and non-autocratic Europeans.
Here is another gem from the historical records. European states, under the French and then under the Germans, invaded Russia thrice! Do you honestly think that the immediate neighborhood around Europe, will sit tight and pray to God that Europe wouldn't attack a fourth time, armed with nukes? Come on my friend, use some sense for the love of God.
I prefer NATO because it gives us a greater security since it also binds Turkey.
Here I am in partial agreement with you. I for one do not, under any circumstances, trust the Turkish ruling class, at all. And I say this as a Muslim, and a Pakistani. Surprised as you might seem, not all of us are duped like idiots, into the whole Ottoman Caliphate nonsense.
I view people and history, with the lens of Imaan (Faith in God). I believe Greek Orthodox Christians have more to gain from friendship with Russia, the heartland of Orthodox Christianity.
Put your trust not in those who lie through their teeth, slaughter others in the name of spreading democracy and proclaimed to be benevolent, all in the same breath. Because if you do put your trust in NATO, in time you shall realize how wrong that decision was. But then, it will be too late my friend.
I share one parting observation .... to you, there is no other choice but the one you mentioned, NATO. For all the reasons you have stated, make it an obvious choice. Similarly, for me, there is no real Islamic leadership in the world today, my people are killed by wars and there is no one who has stood to save us, as our leaders are traitors and for lack of a better word, scum! Logically, I should be throwing myself at supporting Turkey, or the Riyadh-Najdains. I don't!!
Why? Because this is a test of faith, my dear friend. When you have concluded that there is no other option left. It here, that faith comes to it's critical mass. You then must summon every ounce of faith in God, use your intellect and approach this predicament with sound judgement. And if you do actually try this method, immediately you will find yourself under a barrage of relentless and ruthless attacks hurled at you by the same ones whom you thought were your people.
Greece has a choice outside of NATO, the same way Turkey does. Both Greek and Turkish people have a real chance to establish peace and friendship. But in order for that to happen, you have to take
a leap of faith.
