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US an Arab allies begin airstrikes in Syria

Yes 3 GIGN officers were called to coordinate the hostage situation, you are telling me these 3 did the entire thing? And the 127 Saudi National Guard soldiers just had heart attacks outside the mosque?
After the CIA effort failed, and the CIGN was called on to advise and to supervise the operation. In another similar instance you called on the Pakistanis SF, who after a failed raid, flooded the mosque just as the french did and used electric wires to shock occupants.

that means the Saudi government either incapable of shaping a fighting force highly capable to carry out security tasks and protect the country or the Sauds are afraid to have competency in their armed forces ,at the image of some the arab states, for fear of a rebellion.

Yes the internet let's us talk about things, debate things, with each of us bringing our voices to the subject matter, it doesn't mean agreeing with you in everything.
I am not asking you to agree with me, I am just expect you , at least , to be honest.with yourself..it a forum after all..you are just a name nobody knows you beside few of your personal friend(s) that frequents PDF.
 
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@Mosamania

We can see the 5 Arab governments intervening along with the US.

What's the view from the locals of the participating Arab countries? And most importantly, what is the view from the Iraqis of the dire scenario? How did ISIS become so powerful so quickly in their view?

Also, any chance of ground forces or special forces being in action anytime soon? They need that to get rid of them. Throwing bombs and missiles at great distances won't stop them.
 
@Mosamania

We can see the 5 Arab governments intervening along with the US.

What's the view from the locals of the participating Arab countries? And most importantly, what is the view from the Iraqis of the dire scenario? How did ISIS become so powerful so quickly in their view?

Also, any chance of ground forces or special forces being in action anytime soon? They need that to get rid of them. Throwing bombs and missiles at great distances won't stop them.

Depends on who you ask, there is no doubt that KSA's direct participation in attacks against ISIS has left a schism in the people, most people though, they just don't care, as long as it is far away to hell with everything.

The majority of the people who care support the operations against ISIS, and after the recent backlash of Daesh against the Saudi military with death threats against Saudi police and military men, the people became even more convinced that ISIS and all their supporters must be rooted out, I do hope more people become vocal, if for just to expose to the government that its future resides with the liberal secularists and not with the Islamists, a trend that quite honestly this year has been swinging in full force, with taking down laws and implementing laws that Islamists hate, especially the education reform and the downgrading of religious studies in education to a minimum.
 
Depends on who you ask, there is no doubt that KSA's direct participation in attacks against ISIS has left a schism in the people, most people though, they just don't care, as long as it is far away to hell with everything.

Interesting.

The majority of the people who care support the operations against ISIS, and after the recent backlash of Daesh against the Saudi military with death threats against Saudi police and military men, the people became even more convinced that ISIS and all their supporters must be rooted out, I do hope more people become vocal, if for just to expose to the government that its future resides with the liberal secularists and not with the Islamists, a trend that quite honestly this year has been swinging in full force, with taking down laws and implementing laws that Islamists hate, especially the education reform and the downgrading of religious studies in education to a minimum.

I think the future lies in a democratic and a pluralistic society. Everyone should have their share of a nation's politics. It doesn't matter if they are liberals or Islamist.

I agree, and seen it myself that Islamist are immature. However, it is important to give them the room for evolution and enlightenment. And very importantly, education. Violent parties, or activities conductive for violence must be stamped out. All must follow The Law of the Land.

And ISIS.....what an odd episode. I mean, what are those guys trying to do? Start WW III? If (God forbid) WW III does happen, we'd be the ones ultimately paying the price. The Americans view things differently from Muslims. Or maybe have another agenda(?)

It'd be most optimal that Muslims start venturing out on their own, and find out who or what is backing ISIS. That is an important question to answer. With the way ISIS getting money that fast, and fielding an army like that at a scary pace, there are some serious questions regarding security in the 21st century.

All it requires is take a bold and underhanded initiative thyselves. The Americans cannot be completely counted upon for security.
 
A Bangladeshi living in the United States trying to teach me how my own country works, good luck with that buddy.

You could be lying about your country, but the sources I quoted are more credible.
 
You could be lying about your country, but the sources I quoted are more credible.

If anything, the sources you quoted prove what I have been saying for a long time now here, marking atheists as terrorists was met with a huge number of Saudis coming out in Twitter than the law became useless in fact 9% of the Saudi population is Atheist, the highest in the region. You have to learn that some laws are passed in Saudi Arabia to appease the religious establishment, but they are never really carried out at all. Here:

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So you can take the sources you consider "credible" and know where to put them.
 
We all hear about Arab countries' participation, but it seems almost all the job has been done by U.S birds and Arab countries' role conveys a political message rather than an actual military force, since U.S itself can do all the job alone.

As we see, there isn't one single target that is confirmed to be destroyed by other jets besides those of U.S's, hence proving the fact that this involvement is just symbolic to show that U.S is not alone and even the 'Sunni Arab monarchies' are ok with strikes against Isis, which makes it more legitimate for U.S and allies.
 
@Mosamania

I find it a bit odd the use of cruise missiles like the Tomahawk! Can you shed some light on this? It seems like other than the IS have been targeted?
 
If anything, the sources you quoted prove what I have been saying for a long time now here, marking atheists as terrorists was met with a huge number of Saudis coming out in Twitter than the law became useless in fact 9% of the Saudi population is Atheist, the highest in the region. You have to learn that some laws are passed in Saudi Arabia to appease the religious establishment, but they are never really carried out at all. Here:

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So you can take the sources you consider "credible" and know where to put them.

Wahhabi | Money Jihad
Read the material in this link fully, then come back and tell us why your govt. and the Saudi atheists are powerless to stop Saudi role in funding extremism worldwide. To be fair it is not Saudi Arabia alone, but I think other GCC states are equally responsible for this. Iran needs to be mentioned as well, as they are funders and backers of the opposing version of sectarian extremism.

And I will appreciate your comment on this thread as well:
ISIS’ Harsh Brand of Islam Is Rooted in Austere Saudi Creed
 
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September 24, 2014

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Air force pilot Prince Khaled bin Salman, a son of Crown Prince Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, sits in the cockpit of a fighter jet at an undisclosed location after returning from a mission to Syria.

Saudi prince flew jet in Syria ISIL attacks

The son of Saudi Arabia’s crown prince was among the pilots who carried out attacks against ISIL militants in northern Syria this week.

Photographs released by the official Saudi Press Agency yesterday showed eight Saudi air force pilots at an undisclosed location after returning from the mission.

The pilots included Prince Khaled bin Salman, son of Crown Prince Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud.

Dressed in flight suits, the beaming pilots posed for a group photo in front of a fighter jet parked in an airplane hanger. Two of the pilots were also seen sitting in a two-man fighter jet, and there were additional shots of the pilots examining helmets and other equipment in a dressing room.

The fighter jet was marked with the crossed swords ensign of the Royal Saudi Air Force.

“My sons, the pilots, fulfilled their obligation toward their religion, their homeland and their king,” SPA quoted Crown Prince Salman as saying.

He was “proud of the professionalism and bravery” of the Saudi air force men, he said.

Saudi Arabia, along with the United States, the UAE, Bahrain, Qatar and Jordan carried out the air strikes after forming a coalition along with dozens of other states to fight ISIL. Some of the countries only provided logistical support.

The release of the photographs underlined how Saudi Arabia is stepping up its public role in regional defence.

The kingdom and its religious leaders have been particularly vocal against the ISIL threat. Last month it hosted a conference in Jeddah to help build the coalition against the extremists.



Saudi prince flew jet in Syria ISIL attacks | The National

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Until the regimes of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, Turkey, Jordan and UAE are toppled, the Arabs will never have peace.

Saudi Arabia is the worst regime of the lot.
A truly repulsive despotic regime that is the breeding ground for Islamic terrorists.

The regime is a parasite on the human race.
 
September 23, 2014

UAE joins airstrikes on ISIL bases in Syria

UAE fighter jets launched airstrikes early yesterday on ISIL targets in Syria.

The US-led bombing campaign marked a dramatic opening salvo against the Islamist extremists’ bases in three Syrian provinces.

“The UAE Air Force launched its first strikes against ISIL targets last evening,” the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said

“The operation was conducted in coordination with other forces participating in the international effort against the ISIL.”

The UAE, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Bahrain and Qatar all took part in the attacks, although some will have provided only logistical and other support.

Barack Obama said the US was “proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with these nations on behalf of our common security”, and their participation showed the US was not alone in the fight against ISIL.

“Above all, the people and governments in the Middle East are rejecting ISIL and standing up for the peace and security that the people and the region of the world deserve,” the US president said.

Later he flew to New York for the United Nations General Assembly, where he will try to persuade more countries to join his coalition against ISIL.

Last night the US secretary of state John Kerry had talks with the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed, after discussing efforts to defeat ISIL with other leading Gulf Arab figures attending the General Assembly.

Unlike the 194 airstrikes the US has carried out in the sparsely populated areas of Iraq in support of Iraqi and Kurdish ground operations against ISIL, the scale of the strikes in Syria was greater and they took place in urban and rural areas.

The attack came in three waves, beginning at 4.30am UAE time, according to US military officials, and lasted several hours. First, over forty Tomahawk cruise were launched from a US destroyer, which was followed by two waves of coalition airstrikes, first on targets in northern Syria and then in the east.

The coalition attacks targeted ISIL “fighters, training compounds, headquarters and command and control facilities, storage facilities, a finance centre, supply trucks and armed vehicles” near or in ISIL’s self-declared capital, Raqqa, in the north, Deir Ezzour and Abu Kamal in the east and Hasakah in the north-east, US Central Command said.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a monitoring group based in Britain, reported that at least 70 ISIL militants were killed and more than 300 wounded in Raqqa and other parts of eastern Syria.

Along with the attacks on ISIL, the US alone also carried out strikes near Aleppo against a faction of Al Qaeda made up of fighters previously based in Afghanistan and Pakistan thought to be plotting terrorist attacks on US targets. US officials call the faction the Khorosan Group, though analysts say Al Qaeda itself has never publicly disclosed the group’s existence.

“The group has established a safe haven in Syria to develop external attacks, construct and test improvised explosive devices and recruit westerners to conduct operations,” Central Command said.

Strikes targeting the Khorosan group were thought to have hit a village near Aleppo, Kfar Derian, which is a base for the Al Qaeda affiliate, Jabhat Al Nusra. Nearby activists told the AP that around 12 Al Nusra fighters were killed there along with 10 civilians.

Of the five Arab countries involved in the operation, the UAE, Bahrain and Jordan said their jets carried out strikes.

A formation of Bahrain royal air force aircraft, joining brotherly air forces from the Gulf Cooperation Council and other friendly and allied forces … bombed and destroyed several positions and selected targets belonging to terrorist organisations,” a Bahraini defence official said.

A Jordanian government official said its air force took part, and accused ISIL of trying to infiltrate Jordan through its border with Syria.

White House officials denied that the strikes were timed to coincide with Mr Obama’s push for an expanded coalition at the UN this week, where he will also urge the Security Council to pass a binding resolution that would force countries to draft laws that would stem the flow of foreign fighters.

The Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Tuesday on Tuesday welcomed the airstrikes and said Ankara could provide military or logistical support for the campaign.

“I look at it in a positive way. It would be wrong if it stopped. This roadmap should be continued,” he said.

Asked how Turkey would contribute to the operation, Mr Erdogan said: “It involves all kinds of support, including military and political. It involves political or logistic support.”

Mr Obama announced the possibility of an expanded war against ISIL into Syria two weeks ago, after the extremists beheaded two western journalists, and the strikes capped weeks of fraught internal deliberations about going after the group in Syria, which is still wracked by a brutal civil war.

The expansion of the war against ISIL into Syria probably marks the start of a drawn-out fight that could last months or years. “The overall effort will take time,” Mr Obama said. Last week, the head of the joint chiefs of staff, Gen Martin Dempsey, said the air campaign in Syria would consist of “persistent and sustainable” attacks aimed at destroying ISIL.

The strikes raise questions about the US strategy in Syria. In Iraq, the airstrikes have been carried out in coordination with the ground forces necessary to clear ISIL from territory and fill the power vacuum left in its wake. But in Syria, the US has no allied forces and lacks significant on-the-ground intelligence capabilities.

Congress last week agreed to a $500 million (Dh1.84bn) US military train-and-equip programme for vetted, more moderate rebel groups, but US officials have said it would take up to a year to train only 5,000 men to take on ISIL, who the CIA estimates has up to 30,000 fighters.

Mr Obama said yesterday the plan was moving ahead and the US would “ramp up our effort to train and equip the Syrian opposition, who are the best counterweight to ISIL and the Assad regime”.

The Syrian Opposition Coalition’s president, Hadi Al Bahra, said that while allied rebels will take part in an “accelerated” training programme, “we will also continue to battle the root cause of the extremism we face — the Assad regime”.

Some observers have said the strikes could benefit Bashar Al Assad’s regime by weakening a formidable foe, while former US officials have called on the US to work with Syrian army forces who they say are the only force capable of controlling territory after ISIL’s grip is weakened.

But the Syrian military has been badly weakened by three years of grinding conflict and recent massive losses to ISIL in Raqqa province, and US officials have said they would not coordinate with a ruler who must step down.

State department spokeswoman Jen Psaki denied Syrian claims that they were given advance notice of the strikes. “We informed the Syrian regime directly of our intent to take action” through its permanent representative to the UN, but “we did not provide advance notification to the Syrians at a military level, or five any indication of our timing”.

It is not known what effect the airstrikes will have on ISIL, whose leaders have been preparing for weeks. Reports from Raqqa suggest fighters have moved deeper into civilian areas and that the group has been transferring its sophisticated weapons and equipment.


UAE joins airstrikes on ISIL bases in Syria | The National
 
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