[Updated May 2023] Israel Strikes Gaza Again

[Meengla]

Yaso Foinikas...

You are asking the wrong questions... creating wrong equations. You are not getting it!

Palestinians are facing genocide in front of our eyes! Yes... it is existential! In a generation or two East Jerusalem may become zionist occupied... due to systematic harassment, expulsion and murder.
They have lost the whole state in front of worlds eyes!!! Today Palestinian diaspora exists all over the world ... these people are homeless facing expulsion, death and destruction of their property... and you're trying to find nuances?

How hard it is to understand that they're not running a colonial project... but suffering an invasion of primarily European origin. It's been two millenia since jews were expelled from Jerusalem. However they existed in rest of Palestine... only converting overtime to first Christianity and finally Islam. It is their B'nai Israel facing extermination once more from another European entity supplanting them with another theology, culture and race!

Great post!

 

[Muhammed45]

 

[Foinikas]

Palestinians are facing genocide in front of our eyes! Yes... it is existential! In a generation or two East Jerusalem may become zionist occupied... due to systematic harassment, expulsion and murder.
They have lost the whole state in front of worlds eyes!!! Today Palestinian diaspora exists all over the world ... these people are homeless facing expulsion, death and destruction of their property... and you're trying to find nuances?

Then let the Arabs and the rest of the Muslim countries wake up and start economic and diplomatic pressure on Israel and the biggest supporters of Israel. United. That's the only way. But that's not happening because they are all divided. And after they saw Hamas fight Fatah,they knew Palestinians were a lost cause. They probably knew it decades earlier,but supported it just for popular support and sentiment.

directly quote what you write...
Exposing your 2 faces is simple..

BUT YOU ARE NOT directly quoting what I am saying. You're doing the exact opposite.

 

[AZMwi]

Stupid as usual. It is what is needed by Hard line Israel faction in parliament as they need more people support under current political situation in Israel

do you think the illegal european squatters want peace??? the literally want to destroy Al-Aqsa Mosque and want to build temple mount and they will do it one way or another. so its better for the Palestinians to die in battle instead of being butchered without putting up a fight.

 

[Foinikas]

Europe and America and UN are the problem

USA is the biggest problem,again you're politically and historically ignorant. The Americans have been the biggest obstacle for sanctions and punishment of Israel's aggressive policies. In the 60's and 70's the Israelis were still afraid of sanctions and diplomatic issues from countries like France and others. They were still afraid of "what the world will say". After the 90's though,they became completely arrogant and didn't care about any country's criticism.

And the Americans played a big role in blocking any attempt to enforce serious punishment on the Israelis. Even if there were millions in the U.S. that reacted against Israeli brutality and wanted to put America first,the Jewish Lobby and Evangelicals were just too strong of a political and economic influence.

 

[RescueRanger]

 

[AZMwi]

Then let the Arabs and the rest of the Muslim countries wake up and start economic and diplomatic pressure on Israel and the biggest supporters of Israel. United. That's the only way. But that's not happening because they are all divided. And after they saw Hamas fight Fatah,they knew Palestinians were a lost cause. They probably knew it decades earlier,but supported it just for popular support and sentiment.


BUT YOU ARE NOT directly quoting what I am saying. You're doing the exact opposite.

the destruction of Al-Aqsa Mosque will be the trigger point for all the Muslims to unite and fight against these illegale european squatters. It's a prophecy foretold by Prophet Muhammad 1400 years ago and according to that prophecy as soon as the Al-Aqsa Mosque will be destroyed the great war will start and the end result will be the destruction of israel. the common Muslim population is already on its toes. it's the Muslim leaders who are being cowards.

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[Foinikas]

Your right children should never be targets, it is unjustifiable from any view point, certainly not religious

A point however is being reached where the Palestinians can't breath anymore, continuous settlement activity and persecution of Palestinians
The continued oppression and living in essentially prison camps
Being thrown the occasional bone just won't cut it

Palestinians had hardliners rule them for decades. When you hear Hamas talk about no negotiations and no peace until the entire Palestine is free and all Zionist occupiers are kicked out and such rhetoric...then you know these unrealistic targets will never be settled. It's like for example,Turks saying "Let's settle the Cyprus issue" and Greeks saying "No peace unless all of Anatolia is free".

Palestinian factions had unrealistic goals and tactics for decades. In fact,a lot of their tactics alienated much of the world and the world's opinion at times. Munich,Black September,random hijackings and bombings.

the destruction of Al-Aqsa Mosque will be the trigger point for all the Muslims to unite and fight against these illegale european squatters.

The destruction of the Al Aqsa Mosque will be the start of the Third Temple,it's in Orthodox prophecies as well.

Don't call them "illegal european squatters",because they are actually Jews from various countries plus the ones who lived there already.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

Then let the Arabs and the rest of the Muslim countries wake up and start economic and diplomatic pressure on Israel and the biggest supporters of Israel. United. That's the only way. But that's not happening because they are all divided. And after they saw Hamas fight Fatah,they knew Palestinians were a lost cause. They probably knew it decades earlier,but supported it just for popular support and sentiment.

The colonial project does not work in isolation. It has an ecosystem of support and many tentacles reaching deep in politico-economic, cultural and historical phenomenon. After the initial Herzl attempt and getting zionists to emigrate and create kibbutz in hopes of gaining momentum... a more comprehensive solution has been applied. Such as after Balfour declaration, division of Middle East post first world War, setting up wholesale and permanent settlements and finally events in and around second world war paving the way and providing much needed impetus insofar as even negotiating with nazis to get jews resettled in Palestine. Actively removing Palestinians from their lands and creating Facts on the Ground! Where narratives and false equivocations could be drawn... civilian plight mitigated and equated with that of a jewish one... one rooted in guilt and holocaust. To browbeat and shut up Europeans in virtue signaling.

The unstable and nascent monarchies in middle East equally dependent on European powers for their own regime and survival never could offer nor provide support of any substance. That coupled with Arab nationalism and other new-age ideologies further dividing Arab and Muslim opinions mired in internal conflict, offered much needed respite.
Monetary and military support over the decades making Israel a formidable foe, one united in cause and forever paranoid using European historical context superimposed on now neighboring states allowed for current Flux and a divided front. Which is why the example of Thermopylae is apt ... a series of bottle necks cutting down enemy capacity and allowing sizeable/sufficient response for each front. Which is why Israel in fact faces no state as a direct foe but a series of disjointed and non state militant organizations each presenting a manageable front.

Anyhow, as collective west looses it's appetite and capacity to forever support an openly unjust cause and conflict dies out. Israel simultaneously builds regional allies, cultivates support structures and leaders amenable to zionist cause. The state finds the existing facts on ground as leverage to perpetuate an existence while simultaneously genociding Palestinians.

 

[hussain0216]

Palestinians had hardliners rule them for decades. When you hear Hamas talk about no negotiations and no peace until the entire Palestine is free and all Zionist occupiers are kicked out and such rhetoric...then you know these unrealistic targets will never be settled. It's like for example,Turks saying "Let's settle the Cyprus issue" and Greeks saying "No peace unless all of Anatolia is free".

Palestinian factions had unrealistic goals and tactics for decades. In fact,a lot of their tactics alienated much of the world and the world's opinion at times. Munich,Black September,random hijackings and bombings.


The destruction of the Al Aqsa Mosque will be the start of the Third Temple,it's in Orthodox prophecies as well.

Don't call them "illegal european squatters",because they are actually Jews from various countries plus the ones who lived there already.

Wanting to throw off colonial occupation is not hardline, or unreasonable or unrealistic

 

[Foinikas]

Wanting to throw off colonial occupation is not hardline, or unreasonable or unrealistic

Demanding the ENTIRE country,when you cannot even protect your tiny piece of land,is unrealistic.

 

[Tamerlane]

Don't call them "illegal european squatters",because they are actually Jews from various countries plus the ones who lived there already.

They’re not real Jews from Palestine. They’re descendants of Turkic tribes called Khazars who converted to Judaism. The state of Khazar Khaganate was located in present day Ukraine from 650-850 AD.

These Jewish converts are the Jews who moved to Russia, Poland, Germany and all over Europe. They’re the ones who’re called Ashkenazi Jews who control Israel. They have no connection to Palestine.

Benjamin Netanyahu’s father’s name was Benzion Mileikowsky. He changed it to Nathanyahoo to sound more Jewish.

Some Jews may be descendants of the original ones, but they still don’t have any right to occupy a land that they left 2000 years ago.

What if people in India who claim to be descendants of Alexander’s army invade Greece and take it over? They have just as much right to reclaim their homeland and throw out the current squatters.

There would be chaos in the world if people start claiming land from thousands of years ago.

 

[Foinikas]

They’re not real Jews from Palestine. They’re descendants of Turkic tribes called Khazars who converted to Judaism. The state of Khazar Khaganate was located in present day Ukraine from 650-850 AD.

These Jewish converts are the Jews who moved to Russia, Poland, Germany and all over Europe. They’re the ones who’re called Ashkenazi Jews who control Israel. They have no connection to Palestine.

Benjamin Netanyahu’s father’s name was Benzion Mileikowsky. He changed it to Nathanyahoo to sound more Jewish.

Some Jews may be descendants of the original ones, but they still don’t have any right to occupy a land that they left 2000 years ago.

What if people in India who claim to be descendants of Alexander’s army invade Greece and take it over? They have just as much right to reclaim their homeland and throw out the current squatters.

There would be chaos in the world if people start claiming land from thousands of years ago.

That's why I'm saying they should go back to the pre-1967 borders and remove all settlements from the West Bank and Gaza.

 

[hussain0216]

Demanding the ENTIRE country,when you cannot even protect your tiny piece of land,is unrealistic.

Doesn't matter if it's unrealistic, they are an colonial occupation there has to be justice for both the occupation but decades upon decades of suffering and oppression

If we were native Americans or something we may have resigned ourselves to our fate, BUT we are Muslims and you have to have that inner faith and resilience against an enemy

It's not a question of sit down, be quite and take the humiliation and die

It's about soaking up the oppression, the humiliation, the beatings, making sure you REMEMBER EVERYTHING so when the time comes you can repay your enemy

The Muslim world population has just passed 2 billion, our average age is the youngest of all major faiths, we are in prime child bearing age.

The Palestinians have suffered this much, now is not the time to give up


The Israeli themselves need regional cooperation and economic relationships, they are beginning to have their own social and political divides

All the while the Palestinian/Arab population inside and outside Israel grows



They can't keep up apartheid forever, because their is a change happening across the world and the apartheid system can't be justified, as more and more Muslims join the internet the more they can swamp formally pro Israeli sites or commentators with often basic demands of human rights and freedom



So fundamentally, now is not the time to pussey out
You suffered this long, keep it going, don't break, have faith in God
Everytime Israel tries to make normal relations with countries especially Muslim countries, step up the actions to tarnish any plans

Fight fight fight resist resist resist





Easy for me to say In the UK, but the Palestinians have taken the pain and pressure so it unthinkable that we abandon them now

 

[Foinikas]

Doesn't matter if it's unrealistic, they are an colonial occupation there has to be justice for both the occupation but decades upon decades of suffering and oppression

If we were native Americans or something we may have resigned ourselves to our fate, BUT we are Muslims and you have to have that inner faith and resilience against an enemy

It's not a question of sit down, be quite and take the humiliation and die

It's about soaking up the oppression, the humiliation, the beatings, making sure you REMEMBER EVERYTHING so when the time comes you can repay your enemy

The Muslim world population has just passed 2 billion, our average age is the youngest of all major faiths, we are in prime child bearing age.

The Palestinians have suffered this much, now is not the time to give up


The Israeli themselves need regional cooperation and economic relationships, they are beginning to have their own social and political divides

All the while the Palestinian/Arab population inside and outside Israel grows



They can't keep up apartheid forever, because their is a change happening across the world and the apartheid system can't be justified, as more and more Muslims join the internet the more they can swamp formally pro Israeli sites or commentators with often basic demands of human rights and freedom



So fundamentally, now is not the time to pussey out
You suffered this long, keep it going, don't break, have faith in God
Everytime Israel tries to make normal relations with countries especially Muslim countries, step up the actions to tarnish any plans

Fight fight fight resist resist resist





Easy for me to say In the UK, but the Palestinians have taken the pain and pressure so it unthinkable that we abandon them now

The same school of thought has been thinking like this for 50 years and the result was to only make things harder for the Palestinian people. They didn't want to negotiate,because they thought they would win,they thought just like you "they can't keep the apartheid up forever" etc. Then the 70s passed. Then the '80s passed. Then the '90s,then the 2000s and then the 2010s.


4 major wars passed: 1948,1967,1973 and 1982.

An international terrorism phase passed in the '70s and '80s.

Two major uprisings passed. The First Intifada and the Second Intifada. During which,activism for Palestine peaked worldwide.

A rocket battle by Hamas in the 2010s.


And instead of winning something,the Palestinians lost even more every time. It would have been way easier to negotiate peace instead of having buffoons go like "We will liberate all of Palestine and throw the Jews to the sea! No negotiations!" etc.

And remember...back then,the vast majority of the Arab world (and the muslim world),supported the Palestinian cause even more and it was a matter of principle for a Muslim leader to support Palestine either financially or militarily or diplomatically or in some other way.