UNSC first session on Kashmir after 50 years , announce Kashmir disputed territory

[M. Sarmad]

strategic narrative is built over years through constant meetings on the issue. UNSC is discussing kashmir after 50 years!
Narrative was built by India because of which 3 members (including China!) have said its a bilateral matter between India and Pakistan.
What Pakistan is doing is not narrative building, that was done long ago by India, the new narrative is just starting to dawn on pakistan.

Yes, you are right. Narrative is built over years

And Modi has single handedly destroyed that narrative and all the goodwill that Indian leaders and diplomats had garnered for their country over decades on the international level as a responsible and inclusive democratic state.

 

[TMA]

UN is an irrelevant joke of an organization. They have done nothing in past 70 years and they will do nothing. We have to fight for Kashmir ourselves.
Why don't we understand such a simple fact???

We understand...but the issue is we don't have the economic nor conventional means to sustain a full out war. Pakistan would barely last two weeks.

 

[HAIDER]

Remember Rafale deal?


Remember S400, T90;72, SU-30MKI, MiG 29?

India did his best to cancel this UNSC session. But all 5P agree to call in this session. Now what do you think ?.
We are not very much worried about the outcome. But, all we did to show India, it is not there internal issue.
We know that too, there very less chances of UN 5P joint statement. But, Indian all open human right violation is clearly visible. And India has no defence in this regard.
We successfully build the narrative.
@Dubious @Meengla and friends ... this is success story , when we want, we get it without the help of anyone. Except all weather friend China.

 

[TMA]

Yes, you are right. Narrative is built over years

And Modi has single handedly destroyed that narrative and all the goodwill Indian leaders and diplomats had garnered over decades on the international level as a responsible and inclusive democratic state.

He has but still not enough.Pakistan should capitalise on this...

 

[Aryan0395]

And Modi has single handedly destroyed that narrative and all the goodwill Indian leaders and diplomats had garnered over decades on the international level as a responsible and inclusive democratic state.

And yet nobody said anything to signify this.
Unrelated:- NASA chief made comments after Mission Shakti was put on leash soon after US state dept.
Other UNSC members recognized India's right to defend herself after Pulwama.
You are right, India has shedded her image as the tolerant state that will show restraint everytime.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Pakistan govt knows , the purpose of this session to show the world Kashmir is not India internal issue. Now Pakistan pass this stage. Next stage of mediation. People don't realize non 5P oppose this session and all five power approved that session to talk.

And we are back to the starting point again, aren't we? Nothing changes on ground except BJP scoring another point in this nationalism game.

Very simple. This is just for clearance on world position. Saying either you guys stop genocide or we will. After this no complaints against Pakistan who is free to stop cleansing.

Yes agree if UNSC decides for a bilateral talks that means this time it's no different than what they said in 1965.The only difference is this time India has taken a extreme illegal step.
It looks like the purpose of this meeting is to internationalize this issue and tell the world that we approached all diplomatic fronts before we started a military solution.Telling the world that you showed hypocricy when we approached you and now see the war in this region is affecting you as well.Our foreign ministry and diplomates are not that naive,they deep inside know what will be outcome of this meeting.Our FM quereshi already hinted that by saying "don't live in fools paradise,we should not build high hopes"

 

[Meengla]

Yes. But not just bjp but India have played a master stroke. Pakistanis who tend to forget things are now saying "we can't get iok back" and "loc should be border is solution" means a clear victory for India. India is very lucky to have a country like pakistan whose population is kinda dumb. Even politician like qureshi saying "war not option" "let's face reality" and other bla bla.

If some gunda terrorists enter their house and grab their wife, they will still say same things I believe and compromise.

You are a little too dramatic. But, yes, Pakistan cannot get the IoK back without destroying much of Pakistan in the bargain. Maybe sitting in America makes you oblivious of what war is about. Perhaps watch some WW 2 videos to understand what war is about: Blood, destruction, dreams shattered, ruin, beggary, misery... for decades.

LoC = IB WITH caveats. What do Pakistanis want, really? A dignified life for Kashmiris and safeguarding Pakistan's water rights. That's not a surrender. That's pragmatism, an approach which will ensure Pakistan doesn't stay a 'security state' for another 70 years.

But, of course, Pakistan shouldn't concede anything to India unless conditions are met and even be ready to give a bloody nose to India should it come to that.

 

[Aryan0395]

India did his best to cancel this UNSC session

What exactly did India do to cancel this session?

Indian all open human right violation is clearly visible

Not once did any state accuse India of Human Rights Violations after abrogation of article 5.
(And, it doesnt matter what you say on a forum, what matters is what heads of state say).

 

[HAIDER]

What exactly did India do to cancel this session?


Not once did any state accuse India of Human Rights Violations after abrogation of article 5.
(And, it doesnt matter what you say on a forum, what matters is what heads of state say).

dig in your will find it.

What exactly did India do to cancel this session?


Not once did any state accuse India of Human Rights Violations after abrogation of article 5.
(And, it doesnt matter what you say on a forum, what matters is what heads of state say).

Now all head of states give go ahead to there UN mission to join the conference Pakistan called on Kashmir...... isn't enough.

 

[Kabira]

Or a Taliban like fighting in Kashmir for just five years..

Which is only option left, take the fight to mainland. Take out Indian stooges among them. No point going after heavily armed soldiers as sitting duck. Pulwanas.

 

[Aryan0395]

Now all head of states give go ahead to there UN mission to join the conference Pakistan called on Kashmir...... isn't enough.

Okay, it is. Be happy now.

 

[HAIDER]

Okay, it is. Be happy now.

We will be happy if Kashmir issue is resolved peacefully and include the people of Kashmir in that resolution.

 

[SecularNationalist]

You are a little too dramatic. But, yes, Pakistan cannot get the IoK back without destroying much of Pakistan in the bargain. Maybe sitting in America makes you oblivious of what war is about. Perhaps watch some WW 2 videos to understand what war is about: Blood, destruction, dreams shattered, ruin, beggary, misery... for decades.

LoC = IB WITH caveats. What do Pakistanis want, really? A dignified life for Kashmiris and safeguarding Pakistan's water rights. That's not a surrender. That's pragmatism, an approach which will ensure Pakistan doesn't stay a 'security state' for another 70 years.

But, of course, Pakistan shouldn't concede anything to India unless conditions are met and even be ready to give a bloody nose to India should it come to that.

What most pakistanis here don't realize is that it's not the issue of kashmiris it's the issue of Pakistan as well.There will be no dignified life for kashmiris overthere once bhartis will start settling down in Kashmir and that state status of Kashmir was also giving us pakistanis protection ,now that being gone India is free to block our rivers in ladakh and Kashmir territory.And it's won't stop there their next Target is azad Kashmir.Will we survive without a water??When the genocide will start in Kashmir won't those millions of refugees will affect us? Should our inner human consiousness allow that genocide to happen?
In the past 70 years there is a reason why we kept this kashmir issue alive because it affects us as well.Its easy to say things like our past leadership was dumb and had ego ,no everyone realized the ground reality.
If this issue won't get solved by diplomatic means then war is the only solution.When it comes to survival we must fight and should find excuses like cowards.

 

[YeBeWarned]

why are we forgetting that UNSC countries will look towards their own interests, no body gives a F about Kashmiri's .

 

[HAIDER]

What most pakistanis here don't realize is that it's not the issue of kashmiris it's the issue of Pakistan as well.There will be no dignified life for kashmiris overthere once bhartis will start settling down in Kashmir and that state status of Kashmir was also giving us pakistanis protection ,now that being gone India is free to block our rivers in ladakh and Kashmir territory.And it's won't stop there their next Target is azad Kashmir.Will we survive without a water??When the genocide will start in Kashmir won't those millions of refugees will affect us? Should our inner human consiousness allow that genocide to happen?
In the past 70 years there is a reason why we kept this kashmir issue alive because it affects us as well.Its easy to say things like our past leadership was dumb and had ego ,no everyone realized the ground reality.
If this issue won't get solved by diplomatic means then war is the only solution.When it comes to survival we must fight and should find excuses like cowards.

It is bitter truth, India never prove itself a trusted partner in any bilateral treaty ....from water treaty or Siachin treaty or Shimla accord.

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