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Ukraine is about to be added to NATO as the recent NATO meeting resulted in no vetoes against them and what this means

Didn't Russia lost in Afghanistan as well?


Russia going to invade and try to take all of Ukraine before it could become part of NATO?
Russia or more accurately USSR fought in Afghanistan against a growing insurgency supported by US and the west for a decade from 1979 to 1988 resulting in the deaths of around 15,000 Soviet soldiers and the ultimate dissolution of the USSR. The similar situation now haunts Russia with NATO move into Ukraine and potentially Belarus and Russia faces massive internal unrest in the Caucasus and now Taliban and other Jihadist forces are knowing at the gates of central Asia.
 
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Belarus and Russia faces massive internal unrest in the Caucasus and now Taliban and other Jihadist forces are knowing at the gates of central Asia.

What is the unrest in caucasus? Do you mean Aliyev? Lmao I am pretty sure his part of the CSTO alliance. You said Afghanistan is at the gate of Central Asia how is that even possible. Afghanistan is going thru construction currently. Plus Afghanistan has now good relations with all central Asia states and their leaders now frequently visit Kabul more than even before meaning there ties is even better now than before.

But Russia's main issues remain Ukraine really and it ends at Ukraine and you can add the baltic states if it melts down because these both places have russian citizens which means there is something on the line hence the Donbass situation Russia is investing alot in them etc etc. This is Russian civilians issues which is much important than anything else which outweighes all of Russia's foreign policies blood is thicker than water
 
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Are you retarded or something.. Taliban is not fuking NATO or world power nor is there any issues in causus.. In fact Russia is on good terms in central Asia.. IEA is mainly local element and Pakistani protectorate who are not planning for any wars for the next century or so they remain non threat for the long haul they are also in friendly terms with most of central asia themselves except Tajikstan but they are irrelevant but all the other central states are friendly with IEA and trading partners including China..

The only issues is Ukraine really and specifically Donbass and the black sea region area nearby Ukraine for Russia. Hence Russia faces currently no other security issues except Ukraine and Ukraine itself with NATO

Firstly, I suggest that you take a more refined and grown up approach while posting. Insulting with childish gibberish only reflects upon your lack of education and poor upbringing. Now to educate you further. Russia fought a vicious war in Chechyna and killed and deported over 250,000 people. These is a low level insurgency in Dagistan and even unrest in Ukrainian and Russian Tartar regions. Children with foul mouths need to read some history.
 
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Firstly, I suggest that you take a more refined and grown up approach while posting. Insulting with childish gibberish only reflects upon your lack of education and poor upbringing. Now to educate you further. Russia fought a vicious war in Chechyna and killed and deported over 250,000 people. These is a low level insurgency in Dagistan and even unrest in Ukrainian and Russian Tartar regions. Children with foul mouths need to read some history.

You are talking about more than 2 and half decade ago conflicts which is irrelevant today and no there is no low level insurgency in Dagestan The population in both places together don't even number around 3 million I mean Chechyna and Dagestan both are self-autonomous within Russia and All that ended decades ago. These were from decades ago not today. You are out of the loop here bro.

But Yes there is unrest in Ukraine specifically and insurgency with Russian special forces being besieged in Donbass right now by the Ukrainian armed forces
 
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Russia or more accurately USSR fought in Afghanistan against a growing insurgency supported by US and the west for a decade from 1979 to 1988 resulting in the deaths of around 15,000 Soviet soldiers and the ultimate dissolution of the USSR. The similar situation now haunts Russia with NATO move into Ukraine and potentially Belarus and Russia faces massive internal unrest in the Caucasus and now Taliban and other Jihadist forces are knowing at the gates of central Asia.
Didn't Russia lost in Afghanistan as well?


Russia going to invade and try to take all of Ukraine before it could become part of NATO?

Since Russia's Peter I attacked Persia in 1722, Russians have been dreaming of a warm water port in the Indian Ocean for 500 years. This is also an important reason for the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan. So I think that Pakistan should be able to use Afghanistan and CEPC to draw Russia from the Indian camp. Pakistanis actually have more chips than India.
 
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Since Russia's Peter I attacked Persia in 1722, Russians have been dreaming of a warm water port in the Indian Ocean for 500 years. This is also an important reason for the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan. So I think that Pakistan should be able to use Afghanistan and CEPC to draw Russia from the Indian camp. Pakistanis actually have more chips than India.

Russia will never interfere in Pakistan's economy red-zone such as Afghanistan or other overseas interests itself perhaps 40 years ago there was collision with Soviet union which really didn't penn out but it could be worse today as Pakistan is 1000 times stronger and has more manpower than Russia which is declining in that aspect they don't really pose threat to Pakistan currently, near future or in the far future as Pakistan will grow past Russia both in population and technology. India has ditched Russia more or less. If Russia has to chose anyone it would be China. India is bound to go to the western camp not Russia. Puppets gon' puppet
 
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Ukraine used to be 2nd most powerful country in USSR and is former Kievan Rus capital of Rus. If I were Putin I'd be crappy my pants right about now.
Thanks God you are not Putin. Otherwise russia might be stinking by now. :lol:
This changes the dynamics in the Ukraine-Russia game and also NATO-Russo dynamics.

Volodymyr Zelensky doesn't mind seeing the end of Russia as an state. If he joins NATO he will gain advantage over Russia and any spill over will get NATO involved meaning this could threatened Russia's existence as an state down the line hence Russia sees this turning point as the corner stone of history or rather flipping of a new page and chapter where Russia becomes the hunted.

Zelensky has entered into military production cooperation with over dozens of nations and they have expaned military production like no other country in Europe now. Ukraine is aggressively building up it's armed forces after since the humiliation of the Crimea incident weighes heavy on their minds hence there is no lack of motivations or developments within the Ukrainian ranks. If somehow this saga ends with a NATO-Russo confrontation this would be the best possible outcome for Ukraine and they don't mind at all such end game. This also means the US kinda know that regardless of what they do Russia will be the head of the enemy camp and there is collision course so might aswell add Ukraine because Russia is definitely not a neutral element as per say and there is nothing to see there. Ukraine is a major asset to NATO bulking the alliance and their recent aggressive build-up only strengthens them. They couldn't just leave an asset like Ukraine just laying around without picking it up and adding it to the alliance cart. Leaving Ukraine outside of the alliance could also be dangerous down the line because letting a strong nation on their borders become a wildcard without a herd could be hazardous as the Russians themselves could use them or other rivals turning them on NATO itself hence NATO had no other choice but to pick up Ukraine and add it to it's team.

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President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday (21 October) that the Western-backed military development of Ukraine posed a serious threat to Russia, two days after the US defense secretary staged a show of support for Kyiv and encouraged its aspiration to join NATO.

Putin told a group of journalists and Russia experts that Tuesday’s visit to Ukraine by Lloyd Austin, in which he said no third country had the right to veto its hoped-for NATO membership, had effectively paved the way for Kyiv to join.

Whether it did or not, Putin said, Russia’s interests were targeted.

“Formal membership (of Ukraine) in NATO may not take place, but it is not necessary to be a NATO member to deploy American, British military infrastructure on the territory of Ukraine”, Putin told the Valdai Discussion Club, according to an official transcript. “And this really poses a threat to Russia. We are aware of that.”

The United States has been Ukraine’s most powerful backer since Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea and the outbreak of a war the same year between Russian separatists and government forces in eastern Ukraine, which Kyiv says has killed 14,000 people.

The Kremlin chief has consistently made clear that NATO membership for Ukraine – which shares close ties with Russia going back to ancient times – would be a red line for Moscow.

Russia this week effectively severed diplomatic relations with NATO after the alliance kicked out eight members of its mission there for alleged spying. NATO defence ministers agreed a new master plan on Thursday to defend against any potential Russian attack on multiple fronts.

As once a wise man said: Europe is trying to poke Russia bear with stick. At least while Germany is in Nato, I was not expecting such ove from Europe. At least Germany should stay away from such moves, because after Poland, Germany might be the first stop for the Russian Bear.
So atleast someone should smell the danger.
 
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Thanks God you are not Putin. Otherwise russia might be stinking by now. :lol:

As once a wise man said: Europe is trying to poke Russia bear with stick. At least while Germany is in Nato, I was not expecting such ove from Europe. At least Germany should stay away from such moves, because after Poland, Germany might be the first stop for the Russian Bear.
So atleast someone should smell the danger.

Just being real with you and frank off the record. forget NATO only even EU could trample on Russia hack forget even EU just France, Britain, Germany and Spain would be enough to rollover the so-called bear. There is so much hype surrounding Russia the only state of the art impressive thing Russia has is the nuclear stockpile really other than that it doesn't compare to these countries in the other conventional aspects
 
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If NATO really makes moves to incorporate Ukraine, I can see Russia moving in to take the Donbas.

Ukraine has besieged Donbas they are prepared there if Russia makes move it is a flashpoint
 
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I don't know why this occur could it be related to the dollar or gas?

Do you mean the reason gas price hike by Russia? And going away from the Dollar? Could be both or perhaps it could be because of the excercises they did with China of the Japanese coast who knows or it could simply be because of Ukraine I lean towards the later which is Ukraine and baltic states
 
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Do you mean the reason gas price hike by Russia? And going away from the Dollar? Could be both or perhaps it could be because of the excercises they did with China of the Japanese coast who knows or it could simply be because of Ukraine I lean towards the later which is Ukraine and baltic states

I guess it has to be Ukraine due to its stragetic location it is a forward base
 
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I guess it has to be Ukraine due to its stragetic location it is a forward base

You are not far away from the Russian liveable main-land if you are in Ukraine that is like super close forward base.
 
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