Ukraine confirms first use of Patriot air defense system in shoot down of Russian Kinzhal ballistic missile

[gambit]

isnt that what also happend with US in the Iraq war? - Bush got on the aircraft carrier and declared the war over after some months....only for the US to stay and fight in Iraq for 10+ more years? point is, stop being a hypocrite and distracting from the fact that wars are unpredictable and Russia never said it would be done in Ukraine in a few weeks. Hows the war going for Ukraine TODAY? thats what matters, now start lying.

So you are saying that Poutine was stupid enough to think that Iraq is Ukraine. Got it...

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

It means Brahmos was shot down.....

 

[alimobin memon]

Its aero-ballistic missile can easily be intercept by endo-atmosphare SAMs like PAC-3 and THAAD

not easily.

Lol AESA can differentiate the real warheads by comparison speed and have a multiple tracking and engagement beams to differentiate real and decoy warheads, you don't know what are you talking about

Sir, AESA fires multiple beams but decoys can be fired in dozens reducing the chance. If that is the case then why most of kinzhals still land on targets. If Kinzhal was intercepted at 100% by PAC than Russians are crazy wasting their resources.

 

[KAL-EL]

Why are you still on this forum?

Can't say for sure, but it's very likely that the spirit of "Austin Powers" still inhabits his body.

Either that or it's the free cheeseburgers

 

[LeGenD]

Patriot systems will reduce the volume of strikes, especially from certain types of long range weapons, but they will not prevent all strikes. No system can. Counterattack strikes on the weapon launchers is necessary to prevent incoming attacks, Ukrainians are quick learners on western systems impressive people

Patriot system can be used to protect high value infrastructure such as a military base or a city. It is very capable in this role subject to its configuration.

But Ukraine has received only one Patriot battery and it is deployed somewhere in Kyiv. US needs to make sure that this system does not run out of ammo.

I am sure it is. Like I said, it is a cat and mouse game. Some will get intercepted. Some will get through. What I know as a fact is that Ukraine is fighting against all odds. Even despite massive support from Western cheerleaders. These AA systems that you refer to are very expensive. You know how much it costs to fire a single missile to intercept. Do you know who will be paying the bill? It is the ordinary European citizen.

This is true.

Patriot system is very capable in its current form but very expensive as well. Ukraine has received one Patriot battery and its total cost is 1.1 billion USD.

It is extremely costly to create a network of Patriot systems across the country. This is not happening anytime soon in Ukraine.

What makes you think that Russians won't target and take out these Western defense systems? Russia also has an air force... In fact ground operations can be carried out to confiscate these precious defense systems.

Most of these expensive weapon systems are deployed somewhere in Kyiv.

Patriot battery = 1
NASAMS battery = 2
IRIS-T battery = 2

NASAMS performance as on 15-11-22 for reference:

IRIS-T performance:

VKS will not put its jet fighters at risk to defeat these systems because it is a much less capable force than USAF on many counts.

But NATO needs to make sure that these systems do not run out of ammo.

Moreover patriot hasn't intercepted crap. This is a western propaganda

https://twitter.com/x/status/1654432674633613312

For the First Time, a Patriot Missile Has Killed One of Russia’s Hypersonic Missiles

That may burst the hype bubble around the mighty Kinzhal.

www.popularmechanics.com

Pentagon confirms Ukraine downed Russian missile with Patriot system

The Ukrainian military has downed a Russian missile using the U.S.-made Patriot missile defense system, the Pentagon’s top spokesman confirmed Tuesday. “I can confirm that they did down a Rus…

thehill.com

Ukraine wanted to conceal this information but photos leaked on Social Media.

This intercept shows that Patriot is far more capable in its capacity to defeat sophisticated missiles then officially admitted.

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Proven in war and peace​

Since it was first fielded, Patriot has been used by five nations in more than 250 combat engagements against manned and unmanned aircraft, cruise missiles, and tactical ballistic missiles. Since January of 2015, Patriot has intercepted more than 150 ballistic missiles in combat operations around the world; more than 90 of those intercepts involved the low-cost Raytheon Missiles & Defense-made Guidance Enhanced Missile family of surface-to-air missiles.

Those engagements were possible because Patriot is built on a foundation of more than 3,000 ground tests and over 1,400 flight tests.

Each and every time Patriot is tested or live fired, engineers uncover new ways to further improve or enhance the system. The improvements are necessary because the threat is constantly changing and becoming more sophisticated.

Global Patriot Solutions

Global Patriot™ Solutions is an air and missile defense system consisting of radars, command-and-control technology and multiple types of interceptors, all working together to detect, identify and defeat tactical ballistic missiles

www.raytheonmissilesanddefense.com

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Americans continue to improve Patriot technology but radar coverage is the key to success. Saudi radar coverage had gaps that Iran and Houthi were able to exploit to score hits on Saudi infrastructure in some locations with good homework. But what about attacks that did not succeed?

For example:

Supersonic collision: Watch the moment a Houthi missile is intercepted by Saudi air defence

Ballistic missiles can now be intercepted despite travelling at speeds of more than 2 kilometres per second

www.thenationalnews.com

Kinzhal is very difficult to shoot down. On average, tt takes 2 Patriot to shoot down a Kh-101, 6 Patriot to shoot down a Kh-32, 20 Patriot to shoot down a Kinzhal.

You pulled this from thin air? Stop with your theories.

Have we not seen how often Ukraine tell lies after lies after lies after lies.
Ukraine well taught by Pompeo and other Muricans
Ukriane likely to be the star pupil of Murica

And what we seen in real life



And as demonstrated so clearly in KSA the Aegis and Patriot systems defending Saudi a joke as the Aegis and Patriot cannot even detect a few sub Mach cruise missiles not to talk of taking them down. Even to now, no one sure where those came from and who flown them. Despite overlapping coverage of those Patriot and Aegis systems.
New sales pitch? US makes the world’s ‘finest’ anti-air systems, but sometimes they just don’t work, Pompeo explains
Saudi air defenses like Patriot & Aegis don’t match their advertised properties, unfit for real combat – Russian Army (MAP)

USA vaunted defense cannot even defend Saudi Arabia against a handful of slow poke sub mach drones and missiles



How then your touted defense systems all failed in Saudi Arabia?


And that against only puny sub sonic slow poke drones and missiles


Murica touted ability with their super duper missiles of Thaad and Patriot and Aegis to defend KSA that Murica so clearly and explicitly demonstrated to te entire world

The world see many overlapping safe covered zones of defenses.

Yet the launching and hits were made by several missiles.

To date, records could not even find the tracks where the missiles came from , and if the installations not hit, might not even have existed.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...es-destroy-houthi-drones-state-tv-2022-03-25/





So you think you be doing much much better against supersonics and hypersonics missiles by the hundreds and thousands?


Tell us again of the LAYERED DEFENSE SYSTEM that Saudi Arabia bought from USA

On March 25 or so.

Saudi Aramco storage facility targeted by Houthi attack, causing fire - Our Today​

Saudi Aramco storage facility targeted by Houthi attack, causing fire - Our Today​

RIYADH (Reuters) Yemen’s Houthis said they launched attacks on Saudi energy facilities on Friday (March 25) and the Saudi-led coalition said oil giant Aramco’s petroleum products distribution station in Jeddah...

our.today

No wonder Saudi Arabia lost all respect for USA and not only refused to accept call from Sleepy Joe.

But created a parody of Sleepy Joe and his Kamala as a sign of the esteem Saudi got for USA now and the failure of USA defensive systems that cannot even stop slow poke attacks from slow poke drones and slow poke missiles.

How will the Patriot systems in USA defend against ICBMs coming in at speed of Mach 25 when they cannot even detect missiles at sub Mach or even know where the missiles came from despite overlapping coverage?

See above and stop with your selective highlights.

 

[Hack-Hook]

much ado about nothing
remains me of Syria every time Israel attack and destroy their facilities they claim , Israel fired x missile and they destroyed half or 2/3rd of them
whats the point , the target get destroyed .
by the way a question for taught . how many Kinzhal intercepted and how many passed the defense . if patriot is so magical why it cant intercept the rest of them why the feat was not repeated

Most of these expensive weapon systems are deployed somewhere in Kyiv.

Patriot battery = 1
NASAMS battery = 2
IRIS-T battery = 2

NASAMS performance as on 15-11-22 for reference:

IRIS-T performance:

a question why not post evidence , they video record every medic they kill or every t-34 they destroy why not show evidence of these 90 interception over Kiev . surely there can show the debries a lot easier in their capital

 

[Hack-Hook]

NASAMS performance as on 15-11-22 for reference:

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For the First Time, a Patriot Missile Has Killed One of Russia’s Hypersonic Missiles

That may burst the hype bubble around the mighty Kinzhal.

www.popularmechanics.com

Pentagon confirms Ukraine downed Russian missile with Patriot system

The Ukrainian military has downed a Russian missile using the U.S.-made Patriot missile defense system, the Pentagon’s top spokesman confirmed Tuesday. “I can confirm that they did down a Rus…

thehill.com

Ukraine wanted to conceal this information but photos leaked on Social Media.

This intercept shows that Patriot is far more capable in its capacity to defeat sophisticated missiles then officially admitted.

wonder what you think about Ukrainian fake interception number now that Kinzhal turned into frontal section of a BETAB 500 AKA Fab-500 perfect use of million dollar air defense missile .
but why Ukrainian must care , they don't pay for the system they only take comic video

https://twitter.com/x/status/1656342690676473859

for refrence
Kinzhal Missile

Betab-500

by the way wonder how many USA and NATO and Ukrainian official said it was Kinzhal

 

[LeGenD]

WOW!

No less than 3 Senior US officials appeared in song and dance and pony cart show complete with pole dancing and drag queens no doubt to offer proof that Kinzhal can be shot down by mighty super duper Murican missiles when it was proven in Kingdom of Saudi Arabia not only the Patriot and THAAD could not shot down the slow poke sub mach missiles , but dunno where the missiles came from despite overlapping coverage.


And that against only puny sub sonic slow poke drones and missiles


Murica touted ability with their super duper missiles of Thaad and Patriot and Aegis to defend KSA that Murica so clearly and explicitly demonstrated to te entire world

The world see many overlapping safe covered zones of defenses.

Yet the launching and hits were made by several missiles.

To date, records could not even find the tracks where the missiles came from , and if the installations not hit, might not even have existed.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...es-destroy-houthi-drones-state-tv-2022-03-25/





So you think you be doing much much better against supersonics and hypersonics missiles by the hundreds and thousands?


Tell us again of the LAYERED DEFENSE SYSTEM that Saudi Arabia bought from USA

On March 25 or so.

Saudi Aramco storage facility targeted by Houthi attack, causing fire - Our Today​

It will not even matter if 51 Murican officials put their signature on whatever claim that Murica want to claim

Haven't the world seen that before?

In case of Hunter Biden laptop? and how Geriatic Joe stole the US presidency by claims Hunter Biden laptop was a nefarious Russian lie when it was bonafide truth?


https://t . m e /thenebulator/1123



The letter by 51 current and former US spies, arguing that the (completely accurate) New York Post story on Hunter Biden's laptop was "Russian disinformation" ahead of the 2020 election, was actually organized by former CIA head Michael Morrell on the urging of Biden campaign aide (and now SecState) Tony Blinken. Shocker, I know.

Once again, the "Russian" interference in Our Democracy turns out to have come from... Democrats. Previous examples include Hillary Clinton-paid Steele Dossier and New Knowledge's fake "Russian bots" in the Alabama election for US Senate.

Yet even after all of this has been exposed, and the guilty parties named, there have been exactly zero consequences for anyone involved. None. The entire media-political-complex simply shrugged, implied this was a Good Thing because it helped them "fortify" Our Democracy against Bad Orange Man, and moved on. No arrests, no trials, no public shaming, no fines, NOTHING. Because in the exact opposite of what they keep saying, they really are "above the law."

And some people are still stupid or naïve enough to believe the system works.

(I know I vowed I won't comment on US politics, but as I've said before, this ain't politics anymore — it's civil war, just one that hasn't gone kinetic. Yet.)

How many times will the world be lied to by Murica and yet Muricans and their brown nosers , still insisting that the lies of Murican must be believed in as the honest to godness truth?

See for yourself the so called damned evidence Ukraine Nazis produced, and backed by the 3 senior US officials

[13:28, 11/05/2023] S g: https://t . m e /sitreports/8470?single ️First problem with this, the Kinzhal would not be in such large pieces if it was traveling that fast, number 2, that missle is much smaller compared to an actual Kinzhal and the warhead is to smooth and less sharp than a Kinzhal.
[13:29, 11/05/2023] S g: red R:
The Kinzhal and the Iskander are essentially the same with some modifications to the propulsion, but the warhead is the very same

Brandon:
That's not even how a kinzhal looks like this is just psyops

Mac Arctic:
That is a 500 fab bomb bitches!

Brandon:
It's hilarious the type of bs the west spews just to prove that their patriots weren't as useless as they were in Saudi Arabia it smells of desperation, cause it was useless against slow moving Iranian drones used be houthis

Fact # 1: The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA) does NOT have a THAAD battery.

Fact # 2: KSA Air Defense has shot down a large number of airborne threats.

Lessons from Yemen’s Missile War

After five years, hundreds of long- and short-range missiles fired, and more than 160 missile-defense intercepts, it’s time to take stock.

www.defenseone.com

Saudi can provide evidence of these intercepts as they have in following links:

Saudi Arabia ATTACKED as country's air defence intercepts TWO missiles

SAUDI Arabia's air defence forces have intercepted two missiles flying above the country's capital Riyadh on Wednesday just weeks after the last attack launched against the Saudis by Yemenite rebels, state media reported.

www.express.co.uk

Supersonic collision: Watch the moment a Houthi missile is intercepted by Saudi air defence

Ballistic missiles can now be intercepted despite travelling at speeds of more than 2 kilometres per second

www.thenationalnews.com

You need to stop with your "selective" highlights.

much ado about nothing
remains me of Syria every time Israel attack and destroy their facilities they claim , Israel fired x missile and they destroyed half or 2/3rd of them
whats the point , the target get destroyed .
by the way a question for taught . how many Kinzhal intercepted and how many passed the defense . if patriot is so magical why it cant intercept the rest of them why the feat was not repeated


a question why not post evidence , they video record every medic they kill or every t-34 they destroy why not show evidence of these 90 interception over Kiev . surely there can show the debries a lot easier in their capital

I do not get the "why it cant intercept the rest of the them" part in your post. A Patriot battery can be used to protect a military base or a city at most.

Ukraine has reportedly received a total of two Patriot systems from Germany on April 21 and April 26 respectively. One Patriot battery detected a Russian Kh-47M2 Kinzhal hypersonic missile approaching Kyiv and shot it down. Kinzhal would have entered its "engagement envelope." In any case, this intercept shows that Patriot technology is very capable.

Radar technology and coverage is important factor as well. A Patriot battery will be most effective with excellent radar coverage. A Patriot battery can also be made to talk to additional Patriot battery in the region (IBCS configuration). Poland is receiving IBCS configuration.

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In this live-fire test, a Patriot battery shot down a Pershing II MaRV with a PAC-3 class interceptor.

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The failure of Russia’s missile war in Ukraine

Opinion: Russia's missile attacks have, in the aggregate, failed to produce the kind of decisive strategic effects Moscow likely expected.

www.defensenews.com

Ukraine Air Defense has done a good job on the whole. But it is running out of ammo for its S-300 systems.

Keep in mind that Ukraine Air Defense has not posted much about its S-300 intercepts either.

Perhaps Ukraine does not want to disclose sensitive information for Russians to study.

Russians in Syria were making tall claims and failed to back them up with evidence.

wonder what you think about Ukrainian fake interception number now that Kinzhal turned into frontal section of a BETAB 500 AKA Fab-500 perfect use of million dollar air defense missile .
but why Ukrainian must care , they don't pay for the system they only take comic video

https://twitter.com/x/status/1656342690676473859

for refrence
Kinzhal Missile

Betab-500

by the way wonder how many USA and NATO and Ukrainian official said it was Kinzhal

Betab-500? How was a Russian jet fighter able to penetrate Kyiv, drop this bomb, and leave? Does not make sense to me.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1656507981251608577

The intercept will cause an explosion - the missile will not be found intact but in parts.

Russians are welcome to attempt to take out a Patriot battery with another Kinzhal.

Let's see.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Patriot missile have very good accuracy and excellent kill rate. No doubt, it is one of the best defense system in the world.

 

[925boy]

Patriot missile have very good accuracy and excellent kill rate.

except against drones...Patriot asks for early retirement when it hears drones are looking for it. seriously!

No doubt, it is one of the best defense system in the world.

for ballistic missiles and cruise missiles....but which advanced ballistic missiles and advanced cruise missiles has this incompetent patriot system intercepted? Houthis? thats not a potent conventional national army or military, and US and NATO equipment is always "superior" until it meets a competent conventional military rival.

 

[LeGenD]

except against drones...Patriot asks for early retirement when it hears drones are looking for it. seriously!

for ballistic missiles and cruise missiles....but which advanced ballistic missiles and advanced cruise missiles has this incompetent patriot system intercepted? Houthis? thats not a potent conventional national army or military, and US and NATO equipment is always "superior" until it meets a competent conventional military rival.

Patriot does have the technical capability to shoot down drones:

On technical grounds, the shootdown is impressive. Although Patriot PAC-2 missiles a range of nearly 100 miles, but quadcopters fly quite low to the ground, a few hundred feet up and rarely more than a few thousand. A quadcopter also has a tiny radar signature that can be difficult to pick out. The tiny consumer drone is almost certainly the smallest target ever engaged by Patriot.

A Patriot Missile Shot Down a Quadcopter in an Impressive But Wildly Expensive Shot

The shootdown highlights the lack of options in dealing with small drones.

www.popularmechanics.com

"Joint Coalition Forces have intercepted and destroyed yesterday evening [Saturday] and this morning [Sunday] a ballistic missile and six 'booby-trapped' drones launched systematically and deliberately by the terrorist Houthi militia to target civilians and civilian objects in the southern region, Jazan and Khamis Mushait," said Coalition spokesman Col Turki Al Malki.

Supersonic collision: Watch the moment a Houthi missile is intercepted by Saudi air defence

Ballistic missiles can now be intercepted despite travelling at speeds of more than 2 kilometres per second

www.thenationalnews.com

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Patriot does have the technical capability to shoot down advanced ballistic missiles:

Pershing II - USA (Test)
Burkan-3 - Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
Kh-47M2 Kinzhal - Ukraine

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Patriot also have the technical capability to intercept cruise missiles:

Two PAC-2 Patriot interceptors engaged the target, which was launched from Palau and traveled out to sea before turning 180 degrees and flying back towards the island, he said.

“The target was a cruise missile surrogate target — basically a drone built to look and perform like a cruise missile,” Chopp said by phone later that day.

The target was shot down just over 20 miles from the island at an altitude of 10,000 feet using radar data provided by an F-35A assigned to the 354th Air Expeditionary Wing, which also launched from Palau, Chopp said.

Patriot missiles down drone target from Palau with assist from Lightning II

www.stripes.com

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Any Iranian air defense system with comparable credentials?

Your ability to post LOW IQ posts is incredible. If only you had invested your time and energy on doing homework.

 

[Hack-Hook]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1656507981251608577

The intercept will cause an explosion - the missile will not be found intact but in parts.

Russians are welcome to attempt to take out a Patriot battery with another Kinzhal.

please not that nonsense phot , kinzhal is based on iskander , and that frontal section is not even wide enough to fit that image and please show us kinzhal schematic to show your claims

the photo is simply hilarious , they dug out the part from ground and claim it was another section.
just think how a hypersonic missile only penetrated half meter into soft ground

Kh-47M2 Kinzhal - Ukraine

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fake

Ukraine's Air Force denies ballistic missile shot down over Kyiv on May 4

Air Force spokesperson Yurii Ihnat told Suspilne media outlet on May 5 that ballistic missiles were not shot down or even detected over Kyiv's airspace on May 4.

kyivindependent.com

 

[LeGenD]

please not that nonsense phot , kinzhal is based on iskander , and that frontal section is not even wide enough to fit that image and please show us kinzhal schematic to show your claims

the photo is simply hilarious , they dug out the part from ground and claim it was another section.
just think how a hypersonic missile only penetrated half meter into soft ground

fake

Ukraine's Air Force denies ballistic missile shot down over Kyiv on May 4

Air Force spokesperson Yurii Ihnat told Suspilne media outlet on May 5 that ballistic missiles were not shot down or even detected over Kyiv's airspace on May 4.

kyivindependent.com

You claimed that this was a bomb and I refuted your theory.

Have you seen the missile up close in personal capacity?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1656289377129988096

Different parts of the same missile are shown in this link.

Do I need to explain to you what an explosion does to a missile?

Ukraine attempted to conceal this intercept but photos leaked on social media.

Ukraine is not interested in bragging for online consumers.

 

[Hack-Hook]

etab-500? How was a Russian jet fighter able to penetrate Kyiv, drop this bomb, and leave? Does not make sense to me.

why not , and how they do that you must ask Ukrainian why they failed .
but maybe the Ukrainian system are hand me down system and are mostly low to medium altitude system and a fighter flying high with jamming pods can penetrate most of them specially as those high altitude system are mainly old Russians techs

by the way mig-31 can carry bombs and fly above patriot ceiling .
also how you knew they didn't use su-57 , do you think Ukraine capable of detecting it

You claimed that this was a bomb and I refuted your theory.

Have you seen the missile up close in personal capacity?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1656289377129988096

Different parts of the same missile are shown in this link.

Do I need to explain to you what an explosion does to a missile?

Ukraine attempted to conceal this intercept but photos leaked on social media.

Ukraine is not interested in bragging for online consumers.

a betab-500 bomb have a rear section . don't you think those parts fit it

Do I need to explain to you what an explosion does to a missile?

question is why explosion did all those nasty things to the casing but not to the warhead ?

Ukraine attempted to conceal this intercept but photos leaked on social media.

Ukraine is not interested in bragging for online consumers.

that's news to me. do you really believe that .
this war was all bragging war for Ukraine and its comedian president

 

[LeGenD]

why not , and how they do that you must ask Ukrainian why they failed .
but maybe the Ukrainian system are hand me down system and are mostly low to medium altitude system and a fighter flying high with jamming pods can penetrate most of them specially as those high altitude system are mainly old Russians techs

by the way mig-31 can carry bombs and fly above patriot ceiling .
also how you knew they didn't use su-57 , do you think Ukraine capable of detecting it


a betab-500 bomb have a rear section . don't you think those parts fit it

Betab-500 bomb is not a missile. How a Russian jet fighter escaped from the Patriot? Show me video of this fighter jet.

One of the preserved parts indicate a much wider body than Beta-500 bomb.