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UAE’s F-35 contracts expected to be signed before end of Trump administration

Too bad you're getting your info from a Curry Nation. Perhaps you can hand some more medals to 'em.

BTW, we won '65.

If you're as smart as you think you are, try understanding the kill ratio between that Curry Nation & us. Oh and this is from the War we lost...

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Oh and this is a CIA Declassified report

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1979–1989 Soviet–Afghan War

You can 'LMAO' all you want, but its a whole lot hard getting a kill in a Dog Fight as opposed dropping ammunition from 30,000 feet.

Right, because there were other Nations fighting the Afghans back then...

WoW, you take a lot of pride in making that claim.

@Windjammer @GriffinsRule @Akh1112 @airomerix @The Eagle

It's comical. Since Trump/Jared are now out of the picture. MBS is increasingly feeling discomfort and as always, Pakistani's will look after their security issues. They stil need an SSG batillion to guard the Saudi royal family in 2021. 90% of these arabs do not even know about it.

They only reason they have all the fancy weapons is because of this short lived oil wealth, that is increasingly becoming irrelevant. After that, what do they have? Nothing. There is a reason why UAE recently opened doors for immigration.

As for this guys chest tumping. In Arab Israeli wars, they borrowed PAF pilots to do actual 'kills'. Granted its 2021, but they should not forget who taught them to hold a pen. (read: fly and fight)

They will come around. They always do.
 
You’re so capable you won all your wars against the curry nation. NOT!



You saying little Pak Khans flew their planes and scored against USSR pilots? That’s if you engaged any at all LMAO

Oh and don’t take Afghan’s resistance and claim it for yourself that’s just disrespectful



There’s all kinds of cheap labor, and your region is well known for exporting that...


i mean, lol, Arabs are literally the gold standard of incompetence. Take a gander:


right, so, pilot, no evasive maneuvering, still at max burners, relies on autoflare, no defensive action even though the F15SA has all sorts of defensive systems, including a IR based MAWS.

anyway, keep throwing money at all sorts of nice gear for it to get shot down by jerry rigged R27s launched from the ground.

Heres a list of losses i compiled around 7 or 8 months ago, enjoy :)

20 M1A1
3 F-15
13 AH-64
1 Typhoon
1 UH-60
1 Tornado
11 UAV's
alongside almost a whole fucking frigate
 
@Trailer23
What do these average Abdul know about the truth, they may have all the wealth in the world but mentally they are nothing more than slaves of white skin, however those in touch with reality know well the value of Pakistani Armed Forces.


Now my n, you can have that opinion but to call us Abdul whilst you are a Pakistani makes no sense.

Not true either, Arabs have an obsession with Japan, not with whites. Plenty of retarded whites in the west, the majority are useless. Though the west, mainly the US here did excel in technology like no one else. This isn't due to skin color, plenty of Arabs and others succeeded in the US. The issues in the Arab world are many, and there are many reasons as for why R&D, excellence in research has been hard to find. Again, nothing to do with someone being an Arab.

Having said that, get the **** outta my Arab section you pajeet.
 
I think this is a waste of money, American companies overcharge non-whites all the time. They got some discount pricing methods which they apply to certain customers/
 
There's no U-turn to be done at all. Go back to your own link you posted earlier and this is the first paragraph:

WASHINGTON – The Biden administration has reportedly temporarily frozen U.S. arms sales to Saudi Arabia and the sale of F-35 fighter jets to the United Arab Emirates as it reviews billions of dollars in weapons transactions approved by the Trump administration.

Temporarily frozen. There is no U-turning of any kind and like I mentioned earlier, this is so typical of Democrats running the white house and especially Obama/Biden, the latter being cut from the same cloth and vice versa.



You buy weapons because of your needs and because they are the best out there. You don't buy them to support any cause. There are other ways to support Islam and Muslim nations and Saudiya is the number 1 supporter of this without question and no one in their right mind can criticize them for anything remotely close. Same with the UAE, while not at the same level as Saudiya, but they do support Muslim countries in many other ways. But to say they should buy weapons from Muslim countries just because they're Muslims is not the way any country goes about thinking of its defensive needs. You buy the BEST weapons you can afford from whomever you think is best suited to supply them.



Really? Why don't you practice what you preach? How many American F-16s does Pakistan operate? How many JF-17s has it assembled through the help of China? WOW at the hypocrisy. That's what is disturbingly tragic!


Finally you will now realise

 
Finally you will now realise


If the US were to persist on this matter. The Saudis could cut ties with them completely and move their arms purchase elsewhere. They will become a useless asset to the Saudis. They will have more to lose going against Saudi national interests that doesn't involve them at all or meddling into this could have deep consequences for the US meddling into Saudi security issues. I expect Biden's side to retreat these statements in the coming weeks they will shout their mouth and resume to follow their interests rather then empty talk or meddling into stuff that doesn't concern them. If there is vacancy position someone else will always fill that vacated position. Show goes on either way as usual. The entire petrodollar thingy hangs on Saudi oil. I expect them to do 90 degree in anything relating to Saudi interests and be supportive of it
 
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If the US were to persist on this matter. The Saudis could cut ties with them completely and move their arms purchase elsewhere. They will become a useless asset to the Saudis. They will have more to lose going against Saudi national interests that doesn't involve them at all or meddling into this could have deep consequences for the US meddling into Saudi security issues. I expect Biden's side to retreat these statements in the coming weeks they will shout their mouth and resume to follow their interests rather then empty talk or meddling into stuff that doesn't concern them. If there is vacancy position someone else will always fill that vacated position. Show goes on either way as usual. The entire petrodollar thingy hangs on Saudi oil. I expect them to do 90 degree in anything relating to Saudi interests and be supportive of it

Yeah I don't think he realizes that Saudi Arabia and even the UAE hold a rather important and vital strategic position in favor of the US in the Persian Gulf and with relations to Iraq. Not to mention that part of the huge contract that provided over 220 F-15 Eagles (that's almost 3 times as many as Israel has!) and that contract includes the supply of weapons with those aircraft and to stop that supply is a breach of the contract. That's why it will only be temporary until the complaining and threatening gets to be too much, things will revert back to normal.

For the UAE, the same concept and even more since the US has a strategic base in the Emirates and that could be in a tough position should the UAE chose to make a stink about it. But the important part to remember is that politically, Biden needs to do these things to clean up Trump's reckless behavior and once he's seen as the president who doesn't put up with all that stuff, he'll revert back under pressure. It happens all the time with every single president.
 
Yeah I don't think he realizes that Saudi Arabia and even the UAE hold a rather important and vital strategic position in favor of the US in the Persian Gulf and with relations to Iraq. Not to mention that part of the huge contract that provided over 220 F-15 Eagles (that's almost 3 times as many as Israel has!) and that contract includes the supply of weapons with those aircraft and to stop that supply is a breach of the contract. That's why it will only be temporary until the complaining and threatening gets to be too much, things will revert back to normal.

For the UAE, the same concept and even more since the US has a strategic base in the Emirates and that could be in a tough position should the UAE chose to make a stink about it. But the important part to remember is that politically, Biden needs to do these things to clean up Trump's reckless behavior and once he's seen as the president who doesn't put up with all that stuff, he'll revert back under pressure. It happens all the time with every single president.

I think you may have the opposite problem. UAE and Saudi need US more then US needs them by a factor of 100.

Under US pressure UK will soon follow arms embargo. If UAE and Saudi are lucky they will maintain support for F-15s, Typhoons, etc.

If US were to withdraw all military support, bases, troops, spare parts, in a matter of weeks, not months or years, but weeks, UAE and Saudi Air Forces would effectively be crippled.

Kuwait, Qatar and Bahrain already host the majority of US forces in the Middle East, the sheer size of the US military, it's logistics capability and it's bases in Jordan, Kuwait, Qatar, Iraq and Bahrain mean they will lose no sleep at all at the lose of UAE/Saudi basing.

You are making a massive assumption Biden cares about $3-$4 Billion in yearly contracts when that is the amount of money the US military probably spend on dentistry. Biden just passed a $2 Trillion Covid aid budget. That gives you some context.

Trump fawned over MBS and MBZ as he thought he could gain personal financial advantage and you guys had a good 4 years riding him.

Biden, by his actions, has indicated the game is up.

What both Saudi and UAE need to do is diversify their armed forces with non Western equipment and also ensure they have enough trained manpower to take over roles currently done by western subcontractors.

This will be your best defence, not suffering the delusion that the US needs you. Pakistan learnt that lesson the painful way.
If the US were to persist on this matter. The Saudis could cut ties with them completely and move their arms purchase elsewhere. They will become a useless asset to the Saudis. They will have more to lose going against Saudi national interests that doesn't involve them at all or meddling into this could have deep consequences for the US meddling into Saudi security issues. I expect Biden's side to retreat these statements in the coming weeks they will shout their mouth and resume to follow their interests rather then empty talk or meddling into stuff that doesn't concern them. If there is vacancy position someone else will always fill that vacated position. Show goes on either way as usual. The entire petrodollar thingy hangs on Saudi oil. I expect them to do 90 degree in anything relating to Saudi interests and be supportive of it

He will not do a U turn, not after doing this so publicly.

"Petrodollars"!? This is not the 1980s anymore. in 10 years no one will care about petroleum
 
I think you may have the opposite problem. UAE and Saudi need US more then US needs them by a factor of 100.

Under US pressure UK will soon follow arms embargo. If UAE and Saudi are lucky they will maintain support for F-15s, Typhoons, etc.

If US were to withdraw all military support, bases, troops, spare parts, in a matter of weeks, not months or years, but weeks, UAE and Saudi Air Forces would effectively be crippled.

Kuwait, Qatar and Bahrain already host the majority of US forces in the Middle East, the sheer size of the US military, it's logistics capability and it's bases in Jordan, Kuwait, Qatar, Iraq and Bahrain mean they will lose no sleep at all at the lose of UAE/Saudi basing.

You are making a massive assumption Biden cares about $3-$4 Billion in yearly contracts when that is the amount of money the US military probably spend on dentistry. Biden just passed a $2 Trillion Covid aid budget. That gives you some context.

Trump fawned over MBS and MBZ as he thought he could gain personal financial advantage and you guys had a good 4 years riding him.

Biden, by his actions, has indicated the game is up.

What both Saudi and UAE need to do is diversify their armed forces with non Western equipment and also ensure they have enough trained manpower to take over roles currently done by western subcontractors.

This will be your best defence, not suffering the delusion that the US needs you. Pakistan learnt that lesson the painful way.


He will not do a U turn, not after doing this so publicly.

"Petrodollars"!? This is not the 1980s anymore. in 10 years no one will care about petroleum

The Americans are expendables if they don't share same policies. The world arms trade is healthy and there are many manufacturs the US won't be missed if they exit that market. It means just opportunity for others to gain the market
 
The Americans are expendables if they don't share same policies. The world arms trade is healthy and there are many manufacturs the US won't be missed if they exit that market. It means just opportunity for others to gain the market

Good point, China and Russia will be lining up for sure, but then they are quite pro-Iran.

This will be complex and challenging times for Saudi. It is sad it has turned out this way, and it did not have to, Saudi rulers were always wise, pragmatic and discreet. MBS has much to blame for the current situation. A true curse on the House of Saud....
 
The UAE has excellent pilots they've developed through the last 20+ years. Some of the videos we saw of their F-16 Block 60 pilots dodging Houthi missiles was super impressive! Their academy is most likely fully loaded with very qualified applicants whom will be trained by the best of the best. There shouldn't be any problems with having qualified Emirate pilots for all those aircraft. The Rafale deal comes with training the pilots who will be flying those jets in France, just like they did with the EAF and Indian pilots.
 
Good point, China and Russia will be lining up for sure, but then they are quite pro-Iran.

This will be complex and challenging times for Saudi. It is sad it has turned out this way, and it did not have to, Saudi rulers were always wise, pragmatic and discreet. MBS has much to blame for the current situation. A true curse on the House of Saud....

This is definitely not a curse and far from it. I wouldn't say China is pro-anyone except her own interests and the same goes to Russia but the candidates are not only these but much larger Turkey, Indonesia, Pakistan, India all could fill in and get share
 

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