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U.S will soon sell weapons to Vietnam?

Russians are willing to conduct some arms deals with barter. As far as I know, the United States only sells its arms for hard cash or gives it away in military aid.

That's why I asked you whether the United States had changed its mind and decided to provide military aid to Vietnam. I'm going to guess the answer is "no." After all, the U.S. only provides a measly $25 million in military aid to its treaty-defense ally Philippines.
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US always use double standard in foreign policy, dude. She doesn't allow her allies like Japan-SK-Taiwan etc to enrich uranium, but she gave that right to VietNam. Why she loves VN more than her allies ? find out that question by yourselves:coffee:

We don't need Us's weapon now bcz we can buy a lot from Russia, so, if she wanna sell weapon to VN, she has to sell it on credit:P
 
US always use double standard in foreign policy, dude. She doesn't allow her allies like Japan-SK-Taiwan etc to enrich uranium, but she gave that right to VietNam. Why she loves VN more than her allies ? find out that question by yourselves:coffee:

We don't need Us's weapon now bcz we can buy a lot from Russia, so, if she wanna sell weapon to VN, she has to sell it on credit:P

I suggest you read my post again (see below). I've already stated that I can't remember a single instance of America accepting barter payment. Does anybody know if the U.S. has ever accepted barter payment in a government-to-government military procurement in the last thirty years?

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America won't accept barter payment

Russians are willing to conduct some arms deals with barter. As far as I know, the United States only sells its arms for hard cash or gives it away in military aid.

That's why I asked you whether the United States had changed its mind and decided to provide military aid to Vietnam. I'm going to guess the answer is "no." After all, the U.S. only provides a measly $25 million in military aid to its treaty-defense ally Philippines.

The military aid to the Filipinos have been doubled to a whopping $50 million for this year. Everyone knows you can only buy an old World War II coast guard cutter from the U.S. with a few tens of million of dollars in aid.

I've already explained that Vietnam has virtually no hard currency. A $300 million-ish annual military budget won't buy squat. If you factor in the price of the equipment (e.g. basic F-16 airframe itself), training, spares, upgrades, fuel, hangar housing, extended warranty, maintenance (e.g. major engine overhaul), weapon pods (extra), electronic warfare options (extra), and ammunition (extra), I think Vietnam can probably buy only 3 U.S.-built F-16s a year.

It will take you Vietnamese guys forever to build a modern air force at American prices. The Russians may be willing to accept Vietnamese coconuts in payment. America won't. To illustrate, did you know the Filipinos can't afford American equipment and are seeking to buy from other countries (see citation below)?

As far as I can tell, the Filipino strategy is to fight the PLA Air Force by making them laugh to death by fielding a Filipino air force with World War II propeller-powered aircraft. You guys think the Filipinos might be desperate enough to resort to World War I biplanes?

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Philippines Looking to Buy Non-USA Combat Aircraft | Defense Update

"Philippines Looking to Buy Non-USA Combat Aircraft
by Richard_Dudley
May 20, 2012 06:03

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The PAF operates these SF260TP [World War II propeller-powered] trainers since the mid 1990s. One such plane crashed Friday off Lamonja island, with two crew members on board.

For the first time in its history, the Philippines is looking to non-USA sources for combat aircraft to strengthen the nation’s warfighting capabilities. The Philippine Department of National Defense (DND) is reported to be in the market to purchase as many as two squadrons of combat aircraft and, according to DND representatives, has already entered into negotiations with non-USA manufacturers. Usually, a squadron would consist of 15 to 18 aircraft, but each squadron is configured to meet specific defense needs. On 7 May Dr. Peter Paul Galvez, speaking for the DND, announced that the Philippines had approached several nations with an eye towards procuring war materials needed to upgrade the nation’s armed forces. He stated that France, the United Kingdom, Italy, and South Korea were all prime candidates being considered.

Dr. Galvez indicated that his nation was in the market for second-hand combat aircraft and missile-firing gunboats in an effort to modernize the military and build an effective defense force. In consideration of the nation’s budget limitations, the DND seeks to achieve an acceptable balance of cost, capability, maintenance needs, and longevity in purchasing the desired warfighting assets.

The Philippines is now locked in a tense maritime dispute with China over ownership and control of Scarborough Shoal in the South China Sea. Chinese and Filipino ships have been in a face-to-face standoff for more than a month now with no end in sight. Both nations have dispatched ships to the area to secure their claims to the Shoal and the surrounding waters. Dr. Galvez also stated that the DND is also reviewing the possibility of procuring jet trainers for the Philippine Air Force (PAF). The PAF currently flies Italian Marchetti S211 jet trainers, aircraft that are frequently used in a ground-attack role in the nation’s continuing war against insurgents.

The Philippines wants to negotiate “government-to-government” purchases in an effort to save money. When asked if the Philippines was planning to buy modern multi-role aircraft, Dr. Galvez said that such an acquisition was a dream of the DND, but one that would not likely fit into the defense budget. He also mentioned the substantial costs involved in maintaining new aircraft, costs the Philippines is presently not able to afford. He said that if they can buy “cheaper planes of the same quality and firepower, that’s another plus factor” for the Philippines.

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PAF is currently using the OV10 Bronco for ground attack / counter insurgency operations. A cost effective replacement for both bronco and the F-5s, retired in 2005 could be the Korean FA-50, planned to replace the Korean F-5s by 2013. Aero Image photo via PAF

During a radio interview on 16 May, Philippine President Benigno Aquino stated that he had requested second-hand F-16 Falcons from the United States, but this request may not be practical considering the maintenance costs associated with keeping the aging aircraft operational. He said, “It’s not necessarily the F-16s. We are also looking at jet fighters with the same capability as that of the F-16 but are cost-efficient and low in maintenance.”

President Aquino went on to say that his government was looking to spend between $400 and $800 million for each of two combat squadrons. He also pointed out that the PAF’s last fighter jet, a Vietnam War-era Northrop F-5A/B Freedom Fighter, was retired in 2005. For all practical purposes, the Philippines no longer has a credible air defense capability.

Last month, Manila requested additional military assistance from the United States including aircraft, radar systems, and gunboats. This request was submitted as a means of enabling the Philippines to create a “minimum credible defense.” Aquino went on to say that his government had various options to consider and that the nation has the “capacity to buy brand new, but not from America.” He declined to mention any specific aircraft model being considered and he said he was not at liberty to mention the country of manufacture at that time.

The president also stated that the DND’s acquisition endeavors also included upgrading the Navy. The flagship of the Philippine Navy, and largest warship the Navy has, is a former US Hamilton-class Coast Guard cutter, now renamed the BRP Gregorio del Pilar. A second and more capable Hamilton-class cutter, the USS Dallas, is expected to be delivered in November of this year.

President Aquino said that the DND was in the process of completing 132 projects with the expectation that these efforts would be finalized by the end of July of this year. The projects now in the works are unlikely to approach the level some analysts believe is needed for the Philippines to deploy an effective defense capability.

The Center for a New American Security (CNAS), an American think tank, has published what their analysts believe are the Philippines’ minimum defense needs. According to CNAS, the Philippines needs at least four F-16 squadrons (48 aircraft), modern frigates, fast corvettes, minesweepers, and four to six mini-submarines to meet the challenges posed by China’s military modernization. CNAS claims that upgrading the Philippines’ defense posture as a counter to Chinese ambitions is in the best interest of the United States and her Asia-Pacific allies.

A Philippine modernization on the scale CNAS advocates is almost certainly beyond Manila’s financial ability at the present time. Such an extensive modernization would undoubtedly require financial assistance from the US and other Asia-Pacific nations, a prospect that is unlikely given the global economic challenges now hobbling the United States and other nations."
 
China should definitely sell lethal weapons to Iran, that will balance the scene.
 
I want to make a few more points.

1. The cost of "training" for a F-16 means learning how to make the aircraft fly. In facing well-trained Chinese pilots, who have spent endless hours in modern flight simulators (see citation below), Vietnam will need to find millions of more dollars to buy, operate, and maintain state-of-the-art modern flight simulators to give its three pilots a chance against the PLA Air Force.

2. Vietnam will incur additional costs in building a modern airfield. I have no idea how to make an airfield in Vietnam survivable against China's massive ballistic, cruise, and MLRS missile power. Hardened bunkers won't work against Chinese precision-guided missiles and bombs.

3. It is not enough to purchase three F-16s. Vietnam will also need to invest in a modern radar network to detect incoming fighters. The radar network must be made survivable. There is no point in building a radar network if China blows it to bits in a few minutes with cruise missiles or anti-radiation missiles.

4. Vietnam faces multiple problems. A Vietnamese airfield has to be protected against PLA Marines that can land anywhere along the coast of Vietnam. This means Vietnam has to invest in both massive ground and air defenses.

5. The United States provided Georgia with $1 billion in military aid. The Georgians didn't last very long against Russian T-72s. China's military hardware is a lot more modern and impressive than Russia's.

In my judgment, Vietnam needs a military budget of around $35 billion to mount a credible defense. This is based on the 1:3 rule. An attacker usually needs to mount a force roughly three times larger to dig out an entrenched defender.

Vietnam's $2 billion annual military budget and a few hundred million dollars in military equipment procurement is woefully inadequate. It is not a serious effort against China's $106 billion annual military spending.

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[Chinese] Flight simulators give pilots real training|Science-Tech|chinadaily.com.cn

"[Chinese] Flight simulators give pilots real training
Updated: 2012-05-02 07:37
By Xin Dingding (China Daily)

China's air force is expanding the use of flight simulation technology to hone fighter pilots' skills and air battle tactics.

One of the earliest institutes to study flight simulation in China, the Flight Simulation Technology Research Institute of the Air Force is now able to develop simulators of the latest fighter jets that China produces, said Xie Donglai, head of the institute.

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Pilots in Harbin, in Heilongjiang province, practice skills in a flight simulator, which can simulate bad weather, engine failure and other special situations. (Tan Chao / for China Daily)

"Flight simulators are playing a more important role in military training around the world," he said.

The United States was the first to use flight simulators to train pilots. The US air force found that an hour's training in a simulator has an effect equal to that of training in a real fighter jet for 0.5 to 0.9 hours.

China's air force began to train fighter pilots with simulators a decade ago.

So far, the institute alone has given at least 70 simulators to the air force and other units, which have provided 15,000 hours of training since 2002, according to the institute.


"That means huge amounts of training costs were saved," he said. Thanks to simulators, pilots can quickly master flying skills necessary for a certain type of fighter jet.

Guo Lei, director of the institute's simulation training center, said that a number of pilots who flew the first-generation of fighters spent more than 50 days in simulators and made a successful transition to flying third-generation fighters.

Also, the equipment can simulate bad weather, engine failure and other special situations, and teach pilots how to handle them, which training on real fighter jets cannot do, Xie said.

"A fighter plane could cost from tens of millions of yuan to hundreds of millions of yuan. Using fighter jets for special training is unlikely, because people could die and planes could crash, if things are not handled well," he said.

And the special training through a simulator can also prepare fighter pilots to make quicker responses to unexpected situations in real flights.

He recalled that a few years ago, when the navy was equipped with a type of third-generation fighter, a pilot encountered a rare engine failure on the aircraft's first flight.

Fortunately, the previous simulation training had prepared the pilot for such a special situation, and he returned safely.

The simulators also allow airmen to practice shooting missiles, which are so expensive that pilots are reluctant to fire them in real aircraft practice, he said.

Researchers in recent years looked to develop new simulation technologies to prepare pilots for air battles.

In one of the latest developments, the institute has developed a system in which pilots can challenge the world's major fighter jets alone or in joint force.

The system took the institute three years to develop
, as airmen previously complained to researchers that the rival jets did not seem real in previous simulators, he said.

The system has been welcomed by pilots and was later awarded a top prize related to military science and technology.

Contact the writer at xindingding@chinadaily.com.cn"
 
Looks like the Chinese boys are getting nervous that their motherland is being surrounded by US-friendlies. If Viet Nam proceed to modernize her military and get closer to the US, there is not a damn thing China can do about it other than to war.
 
Looks like the Chinese boys are getting nervous that their motherland is being surrounded by US-friendlies. If Viet Nam proceed to modernize her military and get closer to the US, there is not a damn thing China can do about it other than to war.

Not so fast, not so fast, you'll see in time what is there for China to do!
 
Well the only time China worries is Dai Viet buys, with credit card, the 'little big gambot' from US Airforce. However I believe he only takes cash and is having too much fun with those 'hot pants' down in Galveston. Why bother with these malnutrition being, as he is always saying.
 
Well the only time China worries is Dai Viet buys, with credit card, the 'little big gambot' from US Airforce. However I believe he only takes cash and is having too much fun with those 'hot pants' down in Galveston. Why bother with these malnutrition being, as he is always saying.
You Chinese 'CS' always accuse others of being racial but there is not any big racial than you guys.
Your post itself the biggest slap on you and your fellow chinese 'CS'
 
IN is retiring some pretty capable ships, why wont they (our govt) sell it to Vietnam with a reasonable price ? so that Vietnam can protect her right interest's on SCS (Asean) sea.

i wonder if Vietnam can jointly develop small arms or other weapon systems with India and what if India can sell Vietnam aakash SAM (when army , AF orders are complete)

list is long if both countries are willing..we can even upgrade there sukhoi's to Mki Standards with Indian, Israely subsystems :coffee:
 
IN is retiring some pretty capable ships, why wont they (our govt) sell it to Vietnam with a reasonable price ? so that Vietnam can protect her right interest's on SCS (Asean) sea.

i wonder if Vietnam can jointly develop small arms or other weapon systems with India and what if India can sell Vietnam aakash SAM (when army , AF orders are complete)

list is long if both countries are willing..we can even upgrade there sukhoi's to Mki Standards with Indian, Israely subsystems :coffee:

Have you considered the larger picture?

Suppose China says to India, you are arming belligerent Vietnam. Therefore, China will hold India responsible for Vietnamese aggression against China. Is India ready for the Chinese retaliation? The PLA will be at your door to remind India of the price for arming aggressors against China.

India supports anti-Chinese countries and PLA takes you out. How does that sound to you? Are you still eager to sell Vietnam some hand-me-down military equipment?
 
You Chinese 'CS' always accuse others of being racial but there is not any big racial than you guys.
Your post itself the biggest slap on you and your fellow chinese 'CS'


Please do not generalize things. My 'malnutrition' is the word he often used and I just borrowed it for a pay back. So understand the situations before you make a comment, sir.
 
Please do not generalize things. My 'malnutrition' is the word he often used and I just borrowed it for a pay back. So understand the situations before you make a comment, sir.
He used the word malnutrition in context of NK soldiers and NK citizens where his view was about NKorean leaders' ignoring of its citizens' hunger and making weapons instead of food.
 
He used the word malnutrition in context of NK soldiers and NK citizens where his view was about NKorean leaders' ignoring of its citizens' hunger and making weapons instead of food.


So you should know that's a personal bantering between him and us. And you should also know what racial generalizations he has on us since you have been following him around and gave him 'thanks' on many. How about his every post in conversation with Chinese, which accounts for 75%, is always in arrogant and belittling tones. Please do not tell me you don't know and give me a double standard of 'racial' against him.
 
Best of luck to the friend Vietnam. You are the new Asian tiger:tup:
Viet Nam and India WILL be China's great pains in the south and western fronts, Japan and the US will harass China in the east, and the Russians will contain China in the north. Pakistan can do nothing.
 
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