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U.S. bristles at stiff Pakistani NATO fees

it will never open if opened hope daily torched 50-60 trucks make them sick again :lol:

Of course they will be attacked, Pakistan does not really have any soveriegnty over these areas.
 
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I am sure the US/NATO will offer a reasonable figure, not because they have to, but simply as a PR gesture to avoid worsening their image in Pakistan.

Can the US image in Pakistan get any worse than what it is already?

What is a reasonable figure? $5k to 10k per truck seems reasonable to Pakistan, but much less than $1k seems reasonable to USA. Now does one resolve that?
 
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we need the money to ensure security of the cargo so it does not get looted by the Taliban and BLA insurgents!
 
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at the end of the day the US needs these routes, if it cant pay the price it cant get them.


if the us threatens to squeeze pakistan in other ways then that just demonstrates the relationship us has and verifies the fact that the US gives not a hoot about aid otherwise it wouldnt have strings attached.
 
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Obama upset over Pak supply routes

The Russians have a favorite saying, “Where is the bumaga?” Maybe, NATO secretary-general Anders Fogh Rasmussen and US president Barack Obama never heard of it. Bumaga, by the way, means the sheet of paper in Russian. The wise people that Russians are, they staunchly believe that a happening on the diplomatic plane can be taken as conclusive only when matters are drafted, vetted, duly signed and sealed on paper as a document.

Both Obama and Rasumssen thought they could hold up an invitation to Pakistan president Asif Zardari to the NATO summit in Chicago to bait Islamabad to agree to the re-opening of the NATO’s transit routes via Pakistan, which were shut down almost 7 months ago. They were right insofar as how could NATO possibly invite to its celebratory event a country that shut its door on the alliances’s supply routes to a war theatre where it is bleeding heavily?

Pakistan duly obliged by indicating at various levels that a reopening of the NATO’s routes is on the cards. And Zardari duly received Rasmussen’s invite (and is indeed in Chicago at the moment). However, now it appears that the understanding, if any, on the reopening of the transit routes wasn’t put down on the bumaga. Which means it is no more than a line in the sand.

The US commander in Afghanistan John Allen already speculates that it may be “days or weeks, I don’t know” before the bumaga is penned. He also seems to have dark forebodings; he has underplayed the significance of the Pakistani transit routes. Allen is parrying.

The ground reality is that NATO’s exit plan is critically linked to the availability of the Pakistani routes. It will be a “logistical nightmare” for NATO if the Pakistani routes remain closed. Obviously, Pakistan knows this. The hitch seems to be over the transit fee, which Pakistan has proposed as a modest figure of 5000 dollars per vehicle. (It used to be 250 dollars earlier).

Bit Obama isn’t amused. He is asking why such a big amount is to be paid when the US is already generously giving aid to Pakistan. It’s a good point. But Obama forgets that he is also refusing to apologise for the massacre of the Pakistani troops in an air strike last November or to respect Pakistani sensitivities regarding the drone attacks. There is a price to pay in such circumstances.

What happens now? At any rate, Obama shouldn’t have taken matters to a personal level by snubbing Zardari and refusing to have a “bilateral” with him on the sidelines of the Chicago summit. The Pakistani government needs all the money it can get from Washington to work on a good budget for the forthcoming financial year, which also happens to be an election year in Pakistan. But its dilemma is that the re-opening of the NATO’s supply routes will be a very unpopular move and may prove costly politically at the election.

On the other hand, US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta thinks it is “not likely” that US would agree to pay a higher transit fee. Equally, Pakistani military has withdrawn to the barracks and maintains calmly that this is not their cup of tea and it is for the civilian government in Islamabad to decide whether to reopen the transit routes or not. Having said that, there is a lingering suspicion that the military may also be quietly encouraging the “Islamist” opposition to the reopening of the NATO’s routes.

Ultimately, this is at its core a game of brinkmanship, as both the US and Pakistan jockey for advantages and Pakistan knows the US is running against time, what with the serious phase of the “transition” in Afghanistan commencing already by September. Clearly, the fracas at Chicago isn’t helping matters.

Meanwhile, such a high drama is bound to have its sideshow. Even as the NATO banquet gets under way in Chicago in a few hours from now, all eyes will be on another banquet in Islamabad tonight, which Prime Minister Yousuf Gilani is hosting for the visiting Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

Erdogan is on a mediatory mission that harps on the need for consensual politics in Pakistan. It is an uncertain mission, but if Erdogan succeeds in convincing the Pakistani political class about the meed to work shoulder to shoulder to handle national issues (such as the NATO’s supply routes), Obama would be a collateral beneficiary. This is the least Erdogan could do for Obama at the moment.


By M K Bhadrakumar – May 21, 2012
Obama upset over Pak supply routes - Indian Punchline
 
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Can the US image in Pakistan get any worse than what it is already?

What is a reasonable figure? $5k to 10k per truck seems reasonable to Pakistan, but much less than $1k seems reasonable to USA. Now does one resolve that?

Perhaps a more fundamental question is, "does the US care about its image in Pakistan?"

If they were serious about image management, they would cut the sellouts in the Pakistani establishment down to a pittance. Once you know someone is for sale, it's only a matter of beating them down to the lowest price, and there is absolutely ZERO chance that these shameless leaders will ever make Pakistan self-reliant and tax themselves instead of living off American largesse.

Instead the US could spend their money directly in schemes that provide tangible benefit to ordinary Pakistani citizens: a dam here, a dozen hospitals there, it's not rocket science.
 
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This is a suicidal idea. Obama cannot guarantee that he will be re elected. If he does not make it what will happen than? We will end up in the middle of no where.

Not his biggest fan, but barring a major F-up, he will win. Incumbent has advantages, he has been lack-luster, but no major disasters, the Republican field is a pack of generic compromises.
 
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I am sure the US/NATO will offer a reasonable figure, not because they have to, but simply as a PR gesture to avoid worsening their image in Pakistan.

What's an extra few hundred million either way in a trillion dollar war, to a group of countries with annual total GDP in the tens of trillions?
The theatrics over 'too much money' are just that, theatrics meant for the average yokel - the amount of money involved here, as you pointed out, is pocket change for the US given the existing astronomical spending on the Afghan war.

The main reason behind US objections to the increased transit cost are likely the same as those behind the refusal to reimburse the $3 billion in pending CSF funds since 2010, and the refusal to push (in any significant manner) for increased trade access to the US market for Pakistani products.

The US policy at this point is pretty clearly one of 'squeezing Pakistan financially', and even if the US swapped the CSF funds/aid with the new transit fees, formalizing the new agreement would take away significant US leverage in controlling the money flow to Pakistan, and take away the oft parroted talking point of 'we give aid to Pakistan'.
 
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Ultimately, this is at its core a game of brinkmanship, as both the US and Pakistan jockey for advantages and Pakistan knows the US is running against time, what with the serious phase of the “transition” in Afghanistan commencing already by September. Clearly, the fracas at Chicago isn’t helping matters..............
Obama upset over Pak supply routes - Indian Punchline

In such a game of brinkmanship, with high stakes, even if things were equal, which they are not, political maturity would help. So the side that plays its cards well will come out ahead. Who wants to bet on Zardari/Kayani and Co, against Obama's administration?

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Instead the US could spend their money directly in schemes that provide tangible benefit to ordinary Pakistani citizens: a dam here, a dozen hospitals there, it's not rocket science.

That is exactly what the Kerry-Lugar Bill was designed to achieve, by ensuring that funds could be audited to get directly to the people who needed them the most, but we all know how that story ended with the opposition of the same elite you deride succeeding in scuttling this feigned attack on Pakistan's "sovrainitee".
 
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The overall amount received by Pakistan will not rise by much. What Pakistan makes away with increased transit tariffs will likely cause reductions elsewhere. I think this called a "zero sum game" or something like that.

I disagree! the problem is the lack of verification of theseCSFs . Alot of these go into the pockets of the variousNGOs and intermediate contractors who are forced up on us. The rest that is left is perhaps "filtered" through various pockets before it comes into the government coffers. At least this way we will know what is coming our way.
The second and most important issue is one of national integrity. Thjis is money which the US owes us on account of using our land to transport its goods and most likely plan its exitfrom Afghanistan. The coalition support fund is a hand out which is no longer acceptable to us. This should be our psyche that we should no longer accept handouts and learn to stand on our own two feet. The US will be gone come 2014 and so will the CSFs . Pakistan InshaAllah will remain and this is what we need to prepare for.
Araz
 
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That is exactly what the Kerry-Lugar Bill was designed to achieve, by ensuring that funds could be audited to get directly to the people who needed them the most, but we all know how that story ended with the opposition of the same elite you deride succeeding in scuttling this feigned attack on Pakistan's "sovrainitee".
That story ended in the way it did because the US used the 'development schemes', scattered across Pakistan, to set up an intelligence network - much like the fallout from the CIA abuse of NGO's, a significant degree of the blame lies on the US for abusing an aid program to run espionage operations.
 
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What's an extra few hundred million either way in a trillion dollar war, to a group of countries with annual total GDP in the tens of trillions?

That's the whole point.

The public thinks that we will burden their economy and whatnot if we make them cough up some money.

While for the US, a few million don't matter.

Perception has to change from taking revenge to caring for your nation.
 
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The US policy at this point is pretty clearly one of 'squeezing Pakistan financially',

You are right.

Perhaps I was too harsh on the Pakistani leaders, although I stand behind the criticism about self-reliance and taxation, but the fact is that Pakistan has very little maneuvering room given the NATO countries' dominance of global finance. The best Pakistan can do is to suck it up and live to fight another day.
 
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You are right.

Perhaps I was too harsh on the Pakistani leaders, although I stand behind the criticism about self-reliance and taxation, but the fact is that Pakistan has very little maneuvering room given the NATO countries' dominance of global finance. The best Pakistan can do is to suck it up and live to fight another day.

That should be the mantra...First stand up on your feat and then challenge others...
 
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