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U.S. Aircraft Carrier Enters Zone Near Iranian Oil Route as Tensions Rise

Iran is not the one itching for war; it's Israel and the US.
US is bullying China too, will China waging war against US now ?? the answer is: No !. so when you're bullied bcz you're weak, just calm down and find out enemy's weak points first, immediate retaliation is not the wise idea.
 
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Ive already explained it, go back a few posts in this thread. No way US navy+airforce can track down every single mobile and fast speedboat and destroy it. Its impossible. those speedboats are produced for Irans preplanned navy assymetrical warfare.
Those speedboats and other ships are equiped with the Noor missiles and other domestic produces anti ship missiles.
US will get a bloody nose in a conflict with Iran.
You want to bet ?

Its no doubt that US is trying to attack on Iran and they are hopeful that Arab League, mainly Saudi Arabia, may help them to have enough good reasons for that, like how US/ West attacked Iraq, the war which was even funded by many Arab countries.

Iran must try to prove that West are making wrong reasons to introduce more sanctions and trying to even attack Iran jus for Oil, a new War for Oil. Iran must maintain their stand that they always welcome the UN inspectors to their nuclear reactors if required. And at the same time, Iran would try to remove all those equipment, if any, which may prove that they don’t have any intention to make nuke right now. Iran is developing nuclear Techs for Peaceful Purposes only and the sanctions imposed on them and efforts to attack Iran is just to fulfill energy needs of West who are not going to be capable enough to pay for energy after just 6-7 years from now. Enough reasons that other powers like Russia, China, India etc may have enough reasons to come in between this new “War for Oil”, between US/West and Iran. Whole world know about West’s past of organizing War for Oils and you have to prove the same right now also.

Also, Iran would make few good statements for Israel also on time to time for next few years to show that they are less worried about the past of Israel/ US and Iran doesn’t have much business with US or Israel. As, you have to understand that you are against Israel only if you are fully supported by other Gulf countries also. Similarly, if Israel has support of whole West then you would also have either support from other regional powers, or, take yourself out of all the bullshiiits related to Israel :no:

Also, I may ask here, why Iran want to part of OPEC if they always find other OPEC members, mainly Arab League, supporting West’s sanctions on Iran? Sometimes I smell, if Iran is attacked then Oil prices will rise so this way OPEC would better support any attack on Iran, isn’t it? And if Arabs may get almost 2 times price for the oil they will produce during a war against Iran then they may even pay little bit to West also for attacking Iran, isn’t it? This way first they will be able to put Iran down then they will have more money also out of it?????? Just kick these pigs, I think……….:angry:

World will get changed within just 7-8 years from now. Iran needs to make few considerable changes in their foreign policies to face new challenges. Iran may ask itself, why cant Iran kick OPEC for few years, just for next 8 to 10 years, and start selling Oil/ Gas with its full capacity to all those who want to pay for it and why Iran would be wrong if Russia, Norway, Kazakhstan type oil selling countries are also not part of OPEC? Just kick OPEC, with Arabs, for 7-8 years and then they will come to your foot, trust me. also, total export of Iran in 2010 was around $85bn, with all Oil/ Gas etc, while India just imported Oil of around $102bn in 2010 and Indian oil import bill would well go beyond $130bn in 2011? Net gas export of Iran was just around 1.0 billion cu m, excluding import, while India imported 12.2 billion cu m of gas last year and they need at least 50 billion cu m by 2015/16? while India is also adding 20mil middle class every year? India is on the closest geographic proximity to Iran than its any other customer of the world except Pakistan and if Iran and India may sign a deal for Gas and Oil pipeline both through sea route, of big cross sectional areas, Iran don’t need to think more than India while Iran already has China also as a major customer? And rest, India, China and Russia will have enough techs/ technical products like CNC machines/ high tech machines, vehicles, arms and other equipments etc after just 5-6 years from now that Iran will not have think to import anything from rest of the world except from these three countries, Russia, India and China?
https://www.cia.gov/library/publica...Iran&countryCode=ir&regionCode=mde&rank=28#ir
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ir.html

With all these suggestions, Iran would sign a deal of at least 150 SU30MKI with Russia for $15bn, (with stealth features/ AESA radar and loaded with Brahmos missile etc, similar to the recent order of India for 42 SU30MKIs for $4.1bn, and these new upgraded SU30MKIs are fit in comparison to that of Saudi Arabia’s recent order of new F15s strike eagle, 80 apache and 72 black howk.) and at the same time Iran would sign a deal for 100 PAK FA for $12bn with Russia and at least 200 LCA mk2 version with AESA radar with India also for around hardly $8bn. India may even transfer full production line of LCA to Iran like how Pakistan has that of JF17. and these 200 LCAs of mk2 version with AESA radar can form a credible air defense for Iran as an Interceptor in future. Iran would also buy at least 12 new gen stealth submarine from Russia for around $25bn, similar to Indian P75I project. (Even Australia thinks that if they may buy 12 stealth diesel submarines from Germany/ France or Spain similar to that of Russian submarines for Indian P75I, then Australia may become 3rd strongest naval power in Indian Ocean by 2025, after India and China, to put a credible resistance in front of China in Indian Ocean region.) and with that, Iran would buy a big number of T90 tanks from Russia also for at least $10bn and also buy other defense arms like S-300PT-1 etc of $30bn also by next 10 to 12 years and all these will cost around $100bn only. and with that, Iran will need to develop internal defense infrastructure of around $100bn also for all that. and for these all, Iran needs to export Oil of $200bn more by next 10 to 15 years only. And by 2020, Iran will find that the world will have been changed so dramatically that they will have enough space to go further on their nuclear program also, if they want ;)

All these arms will have a special characteristic that they all are not only made in Russia but also will have full production line, from raw to product, in India also. (of all SU30MKI, PAK FA, Russian new gen stealth submarines, LCA, T90s etc):cheers: so Iran will have more than one supplier of spare parts for its all the top guns. Also, Iran will find Russian arms better than that of US in future like how PAK FA is rated better than F35 and also fit in comparison with F22. (if old F22 is called little better because they have few 'unknown' techs then PAK FA is also called superior to old F22 because PAK FA will also have many 'known' new techs superior to that of old F22). And these non-Western arms will give a type of independence to Iran against West in future, (like how Pakistan find itself handicapped in front of NATO as their all the main top guns like F16s, Orion, submarines etc have Western manufactures who may cut spare parts supply if they open fire on NATO right now.) and also, Iran won’t buy Chinese arms as Iran’s neighbors Pakistan is also likely to have Chinese arms only in future. And the way Russia, India, Kazakhstan, Belarus will only have win win friendships in future, Iran would also join them and move forward. Iran’s engagement with Arab League, and Israel also, always pull them back :hitwall:

(Few days before, I had to make statement about the incident/ attack happened on the Russian diplomat and few of his Syrian friends in Qatar And I finally preferred to kick Arabs by calling all pigs etc. As, fist Iran is already on gun point after Syria and if Russia also face something like this then I would also take a side, isn’t it? many times you reach a stage that you do have to take a side, not much option, as “friendship with everyone simply means friendship with no one”. Similarly, either Arab League including OPEC are with Iran or they are against you, Irani diplomats would ask their Arab/ OPEC friends and confirm and plan for future……………….) :coffee:
 
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Getting out of OPEC won't make any difference at this point. The problem is not the OPEC quota but the sophisticated technology needed for increased oil extraction from old oil fields, and the investment and tech needed to develop new oil fields. No one has stepped forward so far ... Russia has cancelled all its previous plans to develop Iranian oilfields. I am not sure what China has technologically, but so far they have not done much on that front either. And of course, the West does not want to help Iran with that.
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Also, I may ask here, why Iran want to part of OPEC if they always find other OPEC members, mainly Arab League, supporting West’s sanctions on Iran?

Iran may ask itself, why cant Iran kick OPEC for few years, just for next 8 to 10 years, and start selling Oil/ Gas with its full capacity to all those who want to pay for it
 
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Getting out of OPEC won't make any difference at this point. The problem is not the OPEC quota but the sophisticated technology needed for increased oil extraction from old oil fields, and the investment and tech needed to develop new oil fields. No one has stepped forward so far ... Russia has cancelled all its previous plans to develop Iranian oilfields. I am not sure what China has technologically, but so far they have not done much on that front either. And of course, the West does not want to help Iran with that.

We are not in the profession of diplomacy or defense plans but I think if Russia have techs and they haven’t offered to develop even oil fields in Iran then this simply means that you have to find out the reason behind it and fix it, isn’t it? Why India is so close to Russia, but not Iran, you gotto fix the reasons. Even if Russia was going down in 90s, economic down turn and too much political problems inside Russia also like in Chechnya, no matter how much international pressure Russia faced from US/ West that time but they transferred full techs of even cryogenic engines to India also from back door in late 90s? their all the best arms, full support to India on space research like on Indian manned space program, and on nuclear techs side also with very likely transfer of reprocessing tech/ ENR to India, but none for Iran, why? I remember, Rakesh Sharma, the first Indian visited in space in a Russian spacecraft in early 80s, in time of Indira Gandhi, while China could do the same just 5 years before in 2006? Russian defense/ nuclear and space research techs are at least a generation ahead than that of China therefore you need to do more to improve your relationship with Russia, I think.:meeting:

But we have a good news as below: :tup:

12-20-2011
Iran has signed a deal reportedly worth up to one billion U.S. dollars with Russia's Tatneft to develop an oil field, a rare example of new foreign investment in a country under tight economic sanctions.

For a country under tight economic sanctions this was a big deal. Iran has signed an agreement with Russia's Tatneft to develop the Zagheh oil field on the gulf coast of Bushehr province. Iran's oil ministry says it hopes to produce 7,000 barrels a day in the first phase of the project, increasing significantly once phase two begins. Rostam Qasemi is the country's oil minister.

Rostam Qasemi, Iran's Oil Minister, said, "The deal will mean at least 50,000 barrels of heavy oil can be extracted per day. Fortunately the preliminary well has already been dug, so production can start."

The President of the southern republic of Tartarstan, where Tafneft is based, was in Tehran for the signing. He said he hoped for further economic co-operation with Iran, despite international sanctions over its nuclear programe.

Russia has criticised the sanctions but despite this deal there are few signs that Russian investors are rushing in to replace western ones.

Iran signs deal with Russia to develop oil field CCTV News - CNTV English
 
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India had a very strong strategic alliance with Soviets in the past, and this may have continued for a while.
Iran is at best only a business partner - not even that anymore - not a strategic ally of Russia.
Russia and Iran are competitors in both oil and gas exports, there is no reason for Russia to help a competitor export more oil. Russia has played games again and again with their promise of developing Iran's oil fields, signing, cancelling, signing, cancelling. Any new agreement can only be part of the same game (Taftnet or whatever).
Russia has benefited greatly from Western sanctions on Iran's natural gas being exported to Europe, in that they have the monopoly of gas exports to Europe more or less (while Iran's gas reserves are only second to Russia in the world).
And of course, Iran is ruled by religious fundamentalists, while India used to be ruled by leftists (with parts of India such as Kerala having communist governments), so no shared outlook or ideology.
Being friends with Iran carries a heavy price. Being friends with India does not.
These are just the facts.

We are not in the profession of diplomacy or defense plans but I think if Russia have techs and they haven’t offered to develop even oil fields in Iran then this simply means that you have to find out the reason behind it and fix it, isn’t it? Why India is so close to Russia, but not Iran, you gotto fix the reasons. Even if Russia was going down in 90s, economic down turn and too much political problems inside Russia also like in Chechnya, no matter how much international pressure Russia faced from US/ West that time but they transferred full techs of even cryogenic engines to India also from back door in late 90s?
 
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India had a very strong strategic alliance with Soviets in the past, and this may have continued for a while.
Iran is at best only a business partner - not even that anymore - not a strategic ally of Russia.
Russia and Iran are competitors in both oil and gas exports, there is no reason for Russia to help a competitor export more oil. Russia has played games again and again with their promise of developing Iran's oil fields, signing, cancelling, signing, cancelling. Any new agreement can only be part of the same game (Taftnet or whatever).
Russia has benefited greatly from Western sanctions on Iran's natural gas being exported to Europe, in that they have the monopoly of gas exports to Europe more or less (while Iran's gas reserves are only second to Russia in the world).
And of course, Iran is ruled by religious fundamentalists, while India used to be ruled by leftists (with parts of India such as Kerala having communist governments), so no shared outlook or ideology.
Being friends with Iran carries a heavy price. Being friends with India does not.These are just the facts.

First, I would repeat, Iran need to improve its relationship with Russia, even if it can’t reach to the level as Russia has with Kazakhstan, India, Belarus……………. You gotto do more even if you cant reach the top of it.:)

Second, you don’t need to compete with Russia in the European market. If Russia has the largest gas reserve then Iran also has the second largest. And if EU has 450mil people and need gas for them then India has 300 million middle class with total 1.2 billion people and need gas for them. And You need to convince India for a Gas and Oil pipelines of a big cross sectional area through sea route.

Third, We have a just one week old news as below, you just have to go for more with Russia while improving your standing in WTO by inviting UN inspectors to your nuclear reactors and prove you have nothing which would worry anyone in either way, very simple?

12-20-2011 Iran has signed a deal reportedly worth up to one billion U.S. dollars with Russia's Tatneft to develop an oil field, a rare example of new foreign investment in a country under tight economic sanctions.

Fourth, Kazakhstan is also a Muslim country and share excellent relationship with Russia then why Iran has problems due to religious fundamentalists? Yes, you have to fix little inside also and move for a better relationship with Russia also at the same time.

Fifth, take yourself out as having image like that of North Korea. NK even has nuclear weapons but you don’t, North even did sunk South’s ship 2-3 years before carrying around 40 military men but US/ SK could do nothing, while Iran has to keep saying they have no intention for any war and even released British sailors respectfully 5-6 years before but still, still, there is a heavy price for Russia and India both if they want better friendship with Iran, while Saudi Arabia offers even public hanging penalties for women?:no:

Iran seriously need to think about its foreign policy. There are few in world like India who don’t hesitate to appreciate Iran with whatever words they may use, you just have to give them more reasons to do so :tup:
 
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US is bullying China too, will China waging war against US now ?? the answer is: No !. so when you're bullied bcz you're weak, just calm down and find out enemy's weak points first, immediate retaliation is not the wise idea.
Sir! I guess U are wrong US don't have balls or spines to bully China, no matter what.....US is a beggar to China , beggars can't bully the Giverz.....:smokin:
 
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I put this article up yet i have not had any comments from lovers of AIPAC sponsored regime with HQ in Tel Aviv. Is it too long for you to read???? It is an admission by Americans that they will get stuffed


Floats In The Persian Gulf
By Mark H. Gaffney
mhgaffney@aol.com
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During the summer of 2002, in the run-up to President Bush's invasion of Iraq, the US military staged the most elaborate and expensive war games ever conceived. Operation Millennium Challenge, as it was called, cost some $250 million, and required two years of planning. The mock war was not aimed at Iraq, at least, not overtly. But it was set in the Persian Gulf, and simulated a conflict with a hypothetical rogue state. The "war" involved heavy use of computers, and was also played out in the field by 13,500 US troops, at 17 different locations and 9 live-force training sites. All of the services participated under a single joint command, known as JOINTFOR. The US forces were designated as "Force Blue," and the enemy as OPFOR, or "Force Red." The "war" lasted three weeks and ended with the overthrow of the dictatorial regime on August 15.

At any rate, that was the official outcome. What actually happened was quite different, and ought to serve up a warning about the grave peril the world will face if the US should become embroiled in a widening conflict in the region.

As the war games were about to commence on July 18 2002, Gen. William "Buck" Kernan, head of the Joint Forces Command, told the press that the operation would test a series of new war-fighting concepts recently developed by the Pentagon, concepts like "rapid decisive operations, effects-based operations, operational net assessments," and the like. Later, at the conclusion of the games, Gen. Kernan insisted that the new concepts had been proved effective. At which point, JOINTFOR drafted recommendations to Gen. Richard Myers, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, based on the experiment's satisfactory results in such areas as doctrine, training and procurement.

But not everyone shared Gen. Kernan's rosy assessment. It was sharply criticized by the straight-talking Marine commander who had been brought out of retirement to lead Force Red. His name was Lt. Gen. Paul Van Riper, and he had played the role of the crazed but cunning leader of the hypothetical rogue state. Gen. Van Riper dismissed the new military concepts as empty sloganeering, and he had reason to be skeptical. In the first days of the "war," Van Riper's Force Red sent most of the US fleet to the bottom of the Persian Gulf. that is where I think is the difference between Iran & Iraq

Not all of the details about how Force Red accomplished this have been revealed. The Pentagon managed to keep much of the story out of the press. But a thoroughly disgruntled Van Riper himself leaked enough to the Army Times that it's possible to get at a sense of how a much weaker force outfoxed and defeated the world's lone remaining Superpower.1

The Worst US Naval Disaster Since Pearl Harbor

The war game was described as "free play," meaning that both sides were unconstrained, free to pursue any tactic in the book of war in the service of victory. As Gen. Kernan put it: "The OPFOR (Force Red) has the ability to win here." Much of the action was computer-generated. But representative military units in the field also acted out the various moves and countermoves. The comparison to a chess match is not inaccurate. The vastly superior US armada consisted of the standard carrier battle group with its full supporting cast of ships and planes. Van Riper had at his disposal a much weaker flotilla of smaller vessels, many of them civilian craft, and numerous assets typical of a Third World country.

But Van Riper made the most of weakness. Instead of trying to compete directly with Force Blue, he utilized ingenious low-tech alternatives. Crucially, he prevented the stronger US force from eavesdropping on his communications by foregoing the use of radio transmissions. Van Riper relied on couriers instead to stay in touch with his field officers. He also employed novel tactics such as coded signals broadcast from the minarets of mosques during the Muslim call to prayer, a tactic weirdly reminiscent of Paul Revere and the shot heard round the world. At every turn, the wily Van Riper did the unexpected. And in the process he managed to achieve an asymmetric advantage: the new buzzword in military parlance.

Astutely and very covertly, Van Riper armed his civilian marine craft and deployed them near the US fleet, which never expected an attack from small pleasure boats. Faced with a blunt US ultimatum to surrender, Force Red suddenly went on the offensive: and achieved complete tactical surprise. Force Red's prop-driven aircraft suddenly were swarming around the US warships, making Kamikaze dives. Some of the pleasure boats made suicide attacks. Others fired Silkworm cruise missiles from close range, and sunk a carrier, the largest ship in the US fleet, along with two helicopter-carriers loaded with marines. The sudden strike was reminiscent of the Al Qaeda sneak attack on the USS Cole in 2000. Yet, the Navy was unprepared. When it was over, most of the US fleet had been destroyed. Sixteen US warships lay on the bottom, and the rest were in disarray. Thousands of American sailors were dead, dying, or wounded. this is more likely what will happen to america in my opinion

If the games had been real, it would have been the worst US naval defeat since Pearl Harbor.

What happened next became controversial. Instead of declaring Force Red the victor, JOINTFOR Command raised the sunken ships from the muck, brought the dead sailors back to life, and resumed the games as if nothing unusual had happened. The US invasion of the rogue state proceeded according to schedule. Force Red continued to harass Force Blue, until an increasingly frustrated Gen. Van Riper discovered that his orders to his troops were being countermanded, at which point he withdrew in disgust. In his after-action report, the general charged that the games had been scripted to produce the desired outcome. You see america will not be able to do this with iranians

Later, Van Riper also aired his frustrations in a taped-for-television interview: "There were accusations that Millennium Challenge was rigged. I can tell you it was not. It started out as a free-play exercise, in which both Red and Blue had the opportunity to win the game. However, about the third or fourth day, when the concepts that the command was testing failed to live up to their expectations, the command at that point began to script the exercise in order to prove these concepts. This was my critical complaint. You might say, 'Well, why didn't these concepts live up to the expectations?' I think they were fundamentally flawed in that theyleaned heavily on systems analysis of decision-making. I'm angered that, in a sense, $250 million was wasted. But I'm even more angry that an idea that has never been truly validated, that never really went through the crucible of a real experiment, is being exported to our operational forces to use.

What I saw in this particular exercise and the results from it were very similar to what I saw as a young second lieutenant back in the 1960s, when we were taught the systems engineering techniques that Mr. [Robert] McNamara [Secretary of Defense under Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson] had implemented in the American military. We took those systemsto the battlefield, where they were totally inappropriate. The computers in Saigon said we were winning the war, while out there in the rice paddies we knew damn well we weren't winning. That's where we went astray, and I see these new concepts potentially being equally ill-informed and equally dangerous."2

"We didn't put you in harm's way purposely. It just...happened."

As a result of Van Riper's criticism, Gen. Kernan, the JOINTFOR commander, faced some pointed questions at a subsequent press briefing. In defending the operation, the general explained the embarrassing outcome as due to the unique environment in which the war simulation, by necessity, had been conducted:

Q: General, one thing that Van Riper made much of was the fact that at some point the blue fleet was sunk.

Gen. Kernan: True, it was.

Q: I want to set-aside for a moment the allegation that the game was rigged because the fleet was "re-floated." I mean, I understand, I've been told that happens in war games.

Gen. Kernan: Sure.

Q: And I'm curious. In the course of this experiment or exercise, your fleet was sunk. I'm wondering if that did teach you anything about the concepts you were testing or if that showed anything relevant.

Gen. Kernan: I'll tell you one of the things it taught us with a blinding flash of the obvious, after the factAnd of course, it goes back to live versus simulation, and what we were doing. There are very prescriptive lanes in which weconduct sea training and amphibious operations, and these are very, obviously, because of commercial shipping and a lot of other things, just like our air lanes. The ships that we used for the amphibious operations, we brought them in because they had to comply with those lanes. Didn't even think about it.

Now you've got basically, instead of being over the horizon like the Navy would normally fight, and at stand-off ranges that would enable their protective systems to be employed, now they're sitting right off the shore, where you're looking at them. I mean, the models and simulation that we put together, it couldn't make a distinction. And we didn't either, until, all of a sudden, whoops, there they are. And that's about the time he attacked. You know?

The Navy was just bludgeoning me dearly because, of course, they would say, 'We never fight this way.' Fair enough. Okay. We didn't mean to do it. We didn't put you in harm's way purposely. I mean, it just, it happened. And it's unfortunate. So that's one of the things that we learned"3

Gen. Kernan's nuanced defense was that the simulation had necessarily been conducted in the vicinity of busy sea lanes, hence, in the presence of live commercial shipping; and this required the Navy to "turn off" some of its defenses, which it would not have done in a real wartime situation. All of which is probably true, but the general's remark that in a real Gulf war the fleet would be deployed differently, in a stand-off manner, with its over-the-horizon defenses fully operable, was a misrepresentation of the actual situation in the Persian Gulf, today. The US Navy's biggest problem operating in Gulf waters are the constraints that the region's confined spaces impose on US naval defenses, which were designed for the open sea. The Persian Gulf is nothing but a large lake, after all, and in such an environment the Navy's over-the-horizon defenses are seriously compromised.4 Nor can the Navy withdraw to a safe distance, so long as its close-in presence is required to support the US occupation forces in Iraq. The serious implications of this simple fact for a possible future conflict, for instance, involving Iran, have never, to my knowledge, been discussed in the US press.

Gen. Kernan's remark was not a misstatement. He repeated himself again, later in the same interview, while fielding another question:

Q: As a follow-up...Van Riper also said that most of the blue Naval losses were due to cruise missiles. Can you talk about that and say how concerned you are about that?

Gen. Kernan: "Well, I don't know. To be honest with you, I haven't had an opportunity to assess...what happened. But that's a possibility, once again, because we had to shut off some of these self-defense systems on the models that would have normally been employed. That's a possibility. I think the important thing to note is that normally the Navy would have been significantly over-the-horizon. They would've been arrayed an awful lot differently than we forced them to because of what they had to do for the live-exercise piece of it....Yeah, I think we learned some things. The specifics of the cruise-missile piece...I really can't answer that question. We'd have to get back to you."5

Safely Over-the-Horizon?

Gen. Kernan's remarks are surprising, because at the time he made them, in August 2002, as he well should have known, at least two separate studies, one by the US Government Accounting Office (GAO,) based on the Navy's own data, and another by an independent think-tank, had already warned the Office of the Navy about the growing threat to the US fleet posed by anti-ship cruise missiles.6 As recently as 1997 some forty different nations possessed these awesome weapons. By 2000 the number had jumped to 70, with at least 100 different types identified, and a dozen different nations actively pursuing their own production and research/development programs.

While the numbers are not available for 2004, there is little doubt that the technology has continued to spread rapidly. And why are anti-ship cruise missiles so attractive? The answer is that they are relatively simple to develop, especially in comparison with ballistic missiles. Cruise missiles can be constructed from many of the same readily available parts and components used in commercial aviation. They are also reliable and effective, easy to deploy and use, and are relatively inexpensive. Even poor nations can afford them. One cruise missile represents but a tiny fraction of the immense expenditure of capital the US has invested in each of its 300 active warships. Yet, a single cruise missile can sink or severely disable any ship in the US Navy.

According to the GAO report, "the key to defeating cruise missile threats is in gaining additional reaction time," so that ships can detect, identify and destroy the attacking missiles. The thorny problem, as I've pointed out, is that the Navy's long-range AWACs and intermediate-range Aegis radar defense systems are significantly less effective in littoral (or coastal) environments, the Persian Gulf being the prime example.

The other important factor is that cruise missile technology itself is racing ahead. The GAO report warned that the next generation of anti-ship missiles that will begin to appear by 2007 will be faster and stealthier, and will also be equipped with advanced target-seekers, i.e., advanced guidance systems. In fact, one of these advanced anti-ship cruise missiles is already available: the Russian-made Yakhonts missile. It flies at close to Mach 3 (three times the speed of sound), can hit a squirrel in the eye, and has a range of 185 miles: enough range to target the entire Persian Gulf (from Iran), shredding Gen. Kernan's glib remark that in a real war the US expeditionary force will stand-off in safety "over the horizon" while mounting an amphibious attack. Nonsense. Henceforth, in a real Gulf war situation there will be no standing off in safety. The Yakhonts missile has already erased the concept of the horizon, at least, within the Persian Gulf, and it has done so without ever having been fired in combat---yet.

Gen. Kernan should have known also that, according to Jane's Defense Weekly and other sources, Iranian government officials were in Moscow the previous year (2001), shopping for the latest Russian anti-ship missile technology.7 By their own admission the Russians developed the Yakhonts missile for export. No doubt, it was high on Iran's shopping list.

The 2000 GAO report's conclusions were not favorable. It stated that for a variety of reasons the Navy's forecasts for upgrading US ship defenses against cruise missile attack are overly optimistic. The Navy's own data shows that there will be no silver bullet. The technology gap is structural, and will not be overcome for many years, if at all. US warships will be vulnerable to cruise missile attack into the foreseeable future, perhaps increasingly so.

But the GAO saved its most sobering conclusion for last: It so happens that the most vulnerable ship in the US fleet is none other than the flagship itself, the big Nimitz-class carriers. This underscores the significance of Force Red's victory during Millennium Challenge. Just think: If Van Riper could accomplish what he did with Silkworms, the lowly scuds of the cruise missile family, imagine what could happen if the US Navy, sitting in the Gulf like so many ducks, should face a massed-attack of supersonic Yakhonts missiles, a weapon that may well be unstoppable.

It would be a debacle.

So, we see that the 2002 US war games afforded a glimpse of the same military hubris that gave us the Viet Nam War and the current quagmire in Iraq. The difference is that the peril for the world today in the "Persian Lake" is many times greater than it ever was in the Gulf of Tonkin.
_____ So read and cry Gambut

Mark Gaffney's first book was a pioneering study of the Israeli nuke program. His latest is a best-selling book about early Christianity, Gnostic Secrets of the Naassenes. Mark can be reached for comment at mhgaffney@aol.co
 
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Dude, before Korean war happen, US troop already withdrawed from Korea , they didn't care if Korea peninsula had "Democracy" or not.

:lol: Going by your logic that America did not care, then why bother fighting for the South Koreans during the war? Don't make the readers laugh bud. The was ended with North Korea still remaining on the world maps today.

The reason they did not pursue to escalate the war was because they did not want to enter a direct conflict with USSR and China. Here re-read the extract which you have posted:

Korean War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Factors in US intervention

The Truman Administration was caught at a crossroads. Before the invasion, Korea was not included in the strategic Asian Defense Perimeter outlined by Secretary of State Acheson.[69] Military strategists were more concerned with the security of Europe against the Soviet Union than East Asia. At the same time, the Administration was worried that a war in Korea could quickly widen into another world war should the Chinese or Soviets decide to get involved as well.

So tell me when can China-Japan kick US out of Okinawa and take Taiwan back ??

China needs not kick America out of Japan to retake Taiwan. We can retake Taiwan by force if we want to. However, that is not the case. We want a peacefull re-unification :cool:

You on the other hand can kick the U.S. out of Philippines and kick China out of South China Sea to try take those claimed islands of yours. I guess your country cannot do that, because - no money no honey, no honey no funny :lol:
 
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:lol: Going by your logic that America did not care, then why bother fighting for the South Koreans during the war? Don't make the readers laugh bud. The was ended with North Korea still remaining on the world maps today.

The reason they did not pursue to escalate the war was because they did not want to enter a direct conflict with USSR and China. Here re-read the extract which you have posted:

Korean War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Bcz US didn't want the communism spread to Japan ,so US joined the war.And Soviet-China lost when trying to spread communism to SK-Japan.
] In his autobiography, President Truman acknowledged that fighting the invasion was essential to the American goal of the global containment of communism as outlined in the National Security Council Report 68 (NSC-68) (declassified in 1975):

Communism was acting in Korea, just as Hitler, Mussolini and the Japanese had ten, fifteen, and twenty years earlier. I felt certain that if South Korea was allowed to fall Communist leaders would be emboldened to override nations closer to our own shores. If the Communists were permitted to force their way into the Republic of Korea without opposition from the free world, no small nation would have the courage to resist threat and aggression by stronger Communist neighbors
Korean War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

US won the war, bcz they successfully stop China-Soviet spreading communism to SK-Japan.But communism is not US's threat anymore, so they won't care about SK when NK shelled SK island, that's it
Obambam said:
China needs not kick America out of Japan to retake Taiwan. We can retake Taiwan by force if we want to. However, that is not the case. We want a peacefull re-unification

You on the other hand can kick the U.S. out of Philippines and kick China out of South China Sea to try take those claimed islands of yours. I guess your country cannot do that, because - no money no honey, no honey no funny
Heheh, people know that China govt. even dare to kill their own people in Tienanmen square instead of peacefull negotiation, so they won't care about Taiwanese life too. Just bcz China is too weak to counter US seven fleet, so Taiwan is always be a sour grape to China :coffee:

We control the largest part of SCS(east sea), that's quite good already, we're just modernize our Navy, so just wait and see, more fun still ahead :coffee:
Sir! I guess U are wrong US don't have balls or spines to bully China, no matter what.....US is a beggar to China , beggars can't bully the Giverz.....:smokin:
Heheh, year, the beggar just kicked China out of Lybia , robbed China's investment there and China could not do anything to punish that naughty beggar :lol:
 
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just hard talk nothing else.iran is in bed with west all this menovers are for pakistan
 
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Iran to test long-range missiles in Gulf amid Hormuz row with US

Tehran - Amid a verbal row with the United States over blocking the Strait of Hormuz, a vital oil shipping route, Iran proclaimed on Friday that it will start testing long range missiles in the Persian Gulf.
'On Saturday morning the Iranian navy will test several of its long-range missiles in the Persian Gulf,' navy deputy commander Admiral Mahmoud Moussavi told Fars news agency.
The testing of the missiles is part of ongoing navy manoeuvres in the Persian Gulf and, according to Moussavi, the main and final phase is preparing the navy for confronting the enemy in a warlike situation.
The manoeuvre has been overshadowed by a verbal row between Iran and the US over an Iranian threat to close the Strait of Hormuz in the Persian Gulf, through which 40 per cent of the world's ship-borne crude is passed.
The spark for the row was a Tuesday remark by Iranian Vice President Mohammd-Reza Rahimi that, 'if Western countries sanctioned Iranian oil, then Iran would not allow one drop of oil to cross the Strait of Hormuz.'
Following his remarks, Iranian navy commander Admiral Habibollah Sayari said, although there was currently no necessity for Iran to close the strait, 'it would be as easy as drinking a glass of water.'
After the US Navy said it would not accept any Iranian disruption of the free flow of goods through Hormuz, Iran continued the war of words with Revolutionary Guard deputy chief Hossein Salami saying that the US was in no position to tell Iran what to do.
Salami also called the US 'an iceberg which is to be melted by the high degree of the Iranian revolution,' and 'a sparrow in the body of a dinosaur.'
Neither President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad nor the ministries of defence and foreign affairs have so far commented on the issue.
The only official comments on the matter came last week, before the exchange of words, from Foreign Ministry Spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast, who said that closing the Hormuz has never been on Iran's agenda.
However, he added: 'if the region would face a warlike situation, then everything would then become warlike.'

Donno where its gonna end!!!!

Iran to test long-range missiles in Gulf amid Hormuz row with US - Monsters and Critics
 
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Why does America want to have war with Iran? They are so stupid. But then American policy has never made sense to me.
 
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