Type 052D DDG News & Discussions

[Beast]

052C and 052D install VLS units( 48x VLS and 64x VLS) less than Japan's Kongō and Atago (96x VLS), but their cost half cheaper than Japan DDG. PLAN's DDG smaller than them, but we will build more.

One more thing to add, 052D VLS is able to added offensive LACM or supersonic ASM. While JMSDF DDG is only able to hold air defense missile or SM-3 despite having more silo.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Great !!!

But I heard that, the lifetime of Chinese warships quite short and several retired very soon ... for this or that reason.
If your old warship reach the state of art like Nimitz, then your next design should be Gerald Ford ...

A US supercarrier has a lifespan about 50 years.

While China's DDG and FFG have pretty much 30 years of lifespan, pretty similar to the US DDG.

 

[cnleio]

@BoQ77

Whatever new DDG or FFG design, AESA is the stardard equipment for future China warships.

 

[cnleio]

052D DDG "He Fei / 合肥"

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Hefei gonna be 173 or 174?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The improved Type 052D, and it is the 5th ships of the class.

 

[xhw1986]

 

[Oldman1]

A US supercarrier has a lifespan about 50 years.

While China's DDG and FFG have pretty much 30 years of lifespan, pretty similar to the US DDG.

The new Ford will have a lifespan of 100 years. Hence the new nuclear power reactor and extra power. As well as noticeable features on the ship that they will put on it for future upgrades.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The new Ford will have a lifespan of 100 years. Hence the new nuclear power reactor and extra power. As well as noticeable features on the ship that they will put on it for future upgrades.

It still has 50 years of lifespan, the only difference is that the Nimitz class needs to change the refuel in every 20-25 years, while the Ford class doesn't need to refuel at all.

 

[Oldman1]

It still has 50 years of lifespan, the only difference is that the Nimitz class needs to change the refuel in every 20-25 years, while the Ford class doesn't need to refuel at all.

So what? People said that the B52 was suppose to have 20-25 year life span and yet the oldest one is like 50 years old right now. The new Ford class with constant upgrades and maintenance can have a lifespan of 100 years if nothing revolutionary comes in decades to come for carrier warfare. Especially as they become more expensive if they attempt a new class of carriers.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

So what? People said that the B52 was suppose to have 20-25 year life span and yet the oldest one is like 50 years old right now. The new Ford class with constant upgrades and maintenance can have a lifespan of 100 years if nothing revolutionary comes in decades to come for carrier warfare. Especially as they become more expensive if they attempt a new class of carriers.

After 100 years, it gonna be the space carrier.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

052C and 052D install VLS units( 48x VLS and 64x VLS) less than Japan's Kongō and Atago (96x VLS), but their cost half cheaper than Japan DDG. PLAN's DDG smaller than them, but we will build more.

The Kongo class only has 90 VLS, while the Atago class has 96 VLS.

The Kongo class is equivalent to the Burke Flight I, it has no hangar for the chopper.

Also, just check the size of the VLS:

MK-41: 63 cm
MK-57: 71 cm
Type 052D's CCL VLS: 85 cm

The Type 052D will soon have the HQ-29, a miniaturized version of the HQ-9, which can be quad-packed into each VLS cell.

 

[Genesis]

The Kongo class only has 90 VLS, while the Atago class has 96 VLS.

The Kongo class is equivalent to the Burke Flight I, it has no hangar for the chopper.

Also, just check the size of the VLS:

MK-41: 63 cm
MK-57: 71 cm
Type 052D's CCL VLS: 85 cm

The Type 052D will soon have the HQ-29, a miniaturized version of the HQ-9, which can be quad-packed into each VLS cell.

The Japanese ships are not that good, mostly because they are direct copies of earlier American versions. Ours is more advanced, it is smaller, only because the roles are different.

52D is not suppose to be the tip of Chinese naval power, it's a support ship to bigger DDGs not built yet.

Also Japanese ships are severely restricted in offensive capabilities meaning it lacks offensive punch. It can only defend, not only that it was built as a complement to American battle groups so it cannot effectively do battle without America.

If America pull out or doesn't participate, their ships are just huge floating targets with not much use. But it does have better anti missile abilities than China, at least on the seas, and only at this moment, that will change soon.

I also agree that Chinese VLS is way more advanced, but then we also designed it way later than the Americans did, the new American system on the DDG-1000 is better, but that's not for export.

 

[english_man]

The improved Type 052D, and it is the 5th ships of the class.

Can someone explain to me the reason for part of the photo to be covered up?

Something about the steering or propulsion system, that the Chinese Navy doesnt want the world to see yet?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The Japanese ships are not that good, mostly because they are direct copies of earlier American versions. Ours is more advanced, it is smaller, only because the roles are different.

52D is not suppose to be the tip of Chinese naval power, it's a support ship to bigger DDGs not built yet.

Also Japanese ships are severely restricted in offensive capabilities meaning it lacks offensive punch. It can only defend, not only that it was built as a complement to American battle groups so it cannot effectively do battle without America.

If America pull out or doesn't participate, their ships are just huge floating targets with not much use. But it does have better anti missile abilities than China, at least on the seas, and only at this moment, that will change soon.

I also agree that Chinese VLS is way more advanced, but then we also designed it way later than the Americans did, the new American system on the DDG-1000 is better, but that's not for export.

The DDG-1000 class will use the same technological level VLS compared to that of the Type 052D, yet it is still smaller.

But both DDG-1000 and DDG-123 will feature the S/X dual band AESA radar. However, our coming Type 055 will also possess that feature.

Can someone explain to me the reason for part of the photo to be covered up?

Something about the steering or propulsion system, that the Chinese Navy doesnt want the world to see yet?

The photo was taken by an insider, but he has to cover this part, otherwise he would end up in jail for leaking the top military secret.

I think we have to wait for more time to know the secret behind this.