CV-18 Fujian - Type 003 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

[Deino]

If You only want to hear cheer-leaders like hey & ho You will never get a decent, realistic image of what is truly going on behind that long great wall. So what are You doing here ??

At least I for myself try to lean, that is sometimes a bit hard since quite difficult not only due to the language barrier, but most of all since here's an interesting mix of peoples discussing: Over-enthusiastic fan-boys who think the J-20 already uses a WS-15 with a thrust of 212 kN, is able to supercruise at higher speed than the Raptor and maybe even able to reach Mach 3 ... as well as critical ones, who are asking legit questions, who are not taking all want is posted for plain granted and golden and surely a few nay-sayer too. If You deem a critical question already an insult, if for You a request and not-believe in these wet-dreams that are also posted here is already a national attack, then You are surely wrong here.

As such I beg You to calm down Your tone.

Deino

 

[Place Of Space]

General Ying Zhuo said The nuclear reactor designed for carrier is not ready, so Emals won't be installed.

拿稳中国护照， 不要轻易移民。因为中国就要牛逼了！


All these weapons designed and developed is for taking back Taiwan, that how it is. That's why the Chinese army is called people liberation army, not Chinese army.

 

[antonius123]

I dont know whether it has been posted here or not.

It is old news. From the model it suggest the CV18 could have more than 80000 tons, with 4 catapults and 3 lift.


Is This A Model Of China's Next Aircraft Carrier?
By Jeffrey Lin and P.W. Singer June 18, 2014

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CV-18 Model

The CV-18 model at Dalian Naval Exhibition represents a large aircraft carrier, similar to the Nimitz class aircraft carriers, having four catapults and three aircraft elevators. The CV-18 would offer the PLAN advantages over the Liaoning aircraft carrier, including carrying more J-15 fighters, higher sortie rates and carrying JZY-01 AEW&C; aircraft to support long distance air combat.

Photos of a potential new Chinese aircraft carrier class have surfaced this month at the Dalian Naval Exhibition Center. The photos depict a large carrier that would give China the type of large strike carrier capability currently possessed only by the US Navy.

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Lijian UCAV Model

High profile Chinese military projects, like the Lijian stealth UCAV, have appeared in model form at official and semi-official exhibitions. This Lijian UCAV model was seen in a September 2011 airshow, while the Lijian's maiden flight occurred two years later in November 2013.

The strongest possible caveat must be added that this model could be unofficial, including even the work of Chinese military enthusiasts. However, Chinese military projects, like the J-31 stealth fighter, PLZ-05 self propelled howitzer, Lijian drone and YJ-12 supersonic anti-ship missile, have a history of impromptu debuts as models at arms shows and military exhibitions. In addition, the presence of PLA officers at the exhibit's launch is notable. Finally, if it is just a speculative concept, the model is ironically then rather conservative in its depiction of the carrier’s potential air wings, since it excludes more speculative elements like J-31 stealth fighters and Lijian stealth unmanned combat aerial vehicles. Additionally, given that the likely launch date of CV-18 is in the mid 2020s, a lot of details about the actual carrier could change between 2014 and 2025, such as sensor outfit, self defense weapons, aircraft complement and catapult/aircraft elevator locations.

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CV-18 Air Wing

As represented, the CV-18 has catapults to launch J-15 fighters with heavier payloads and dedicated AEW&C; airplanes, compared to the Liaoning. In the background, one can also see the reflection of the model.

At the very least, it provides a sense of Chinese planning concepts for the future. Compared to the Lianoing (CV-16), the hull number of this new carrier is 18, which suggests that this carrier would be China's second indigenous carrier, and the first of a truly new design (number 17 is believed to be a modified domestic variant of the Liaoning). The carrier is shown to have three aircraft elevators, two on the starboard (right) side and one on the port (left) side, and four catapults (possibly electromagnetic) to rapidly launch aircraft. This would give it a size and scale at least in the 80,000 ton range. Photos show that the model, presumably of the future "002" class, carrying J-15 fighters, Z-18 anti-submarine warfare helicopters and most interestingly, a JZY-01 airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft. While the JZY-01 would provide a carrier air wing with strong airspace detection capabilities, its large weight precludes from being launched off the ski ramp equipped Liaoning. CV-18 is depicted as defended against missile attacks by Type 1030 Close In Weapons Systems (CIWS) and HQ-10 short ranged surface to air missiles; presumably its escorting destroyers and frigates would take the lion's share of air defense and ASW duties, pointing again to the building Chinese naval task force model of operations. As with the US Navy, Chinese carriers would be at the center of a formidable naval task force, including modern stealthy cruisers, destroyers and attack submarines geared to hunt air, surface, submarine and missile threats.

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CV-18 Bridge

The CV-18 model shows a three level bridge island, which suggests the presence of large command facilities for commanding the carrier air wing, escorting destroyers, cruisers and submarines, and unmanned platforms.

The CV-18 model's island is located on the starboard side, with three levels of windows, suggesting a three level bridge and command structure. The domes on top of the island would most likely house datalink communication and radar arrays. There is no information on the propulsion, but the choices are likely to be either nuclear propulsion or integrated electric propulsion (IEP) powered by gas turbines. Nuclear propulsion would provide CV-18 with a un-refuelled global range of operations at over 30 knots per hour, while IEP would provide extra electricity for direct energy weapons like lasers.

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Naval Exhibit Launch

A PLA officer is present at the launch of the Zhongshan Naval Exhibit in Dalian, China. The exhibit with PLAN sponsorship was launched to help promote a real estate project; the aircraft and warship models, including CV-18, are afterwards expected to be permanently installed in a PLAN museum.

Discussions on Chinese sites explore how the CV-18 could be launched in the mid 2020s, assuming that its predecessor, CV-17, is launched in the 2017-2019 timeframe. Going by construction of other similarly sized aircraft carriers, the construction of the CV-18 would take around 5-8 years, from the cutting of the first steel to completing the electronics and catapult outfitting. Linked with other reports on Chinese naval construction, the models on display at the exhibit reinforce the trend that by the mid-2020s, China could have game-changing naval capabilities.

http://www.popsci.com/blog-network/eastern-arsenal/model-chinas-next-aircraft-carrier

 

[grey boy 2]

 

[Deino]

Again ! In English please or at least an English summary !

 

[Daniel808]

Dalian Shipyard?
I am little more confuse now.

 

[nang2]

Dalian Shipyard?
I am little more confuse now.

You should be. Those Chinese words and the picture were just from some pure speculations in CJDBY forum. http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-2352917-1-1.html

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Dalian Shipyard?
I am little more confuse now.

There is some theory suggests that JNCX will go with the EMALS version of the Type 002, while DL will start the original Type 002 as presumed.

http://www.cssc.net.cn/component_news/news_detail.php?id=24549

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

There is some theory suggests that JNCX will go with the EMALS version of the Type 002, while DL will start the original Type 002 as presumed.

http://www.cssc.net.cn/component_news/news_detail.php?id=24549

But then how can they both be Type 002?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

But then how can they both be Type 002?

Because it is not nuclear powered.

 

[Daniel808]

There is some theory suggests that JNCX will go with the EMALS version of the Type 002, while DL will start the original Type 002 as presumed.

http://www.cssc.net.cn/component_news/news_detail.php?id=24549

So, there is 2 Type 002 AC under Construction in China right now?
with 1 in Jiangan Shipyard (EMALS Version), and another 1 in Dalian Shipyard (Steam Catapult Version).



Attaching Importance to Leading Personnel and Strengthening Innovation Drive
China Shipbuilding Group to hire Chinese Academy of Engineering Ma Weiming concurrently in the Shipbuilding Science and Technology Committee, vice chairman
Dong Qiang, Wu Qiang attended the appointment ceremony
Source: "China Ship News" 2016-12-28

December 27, China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation held Science and Technology Committee, vice chairman of the appointment ceremony, hired Chinese Academy of Engineering Ma Weiming concurrently vice chairman of the CSSC Science and Technology Commission. China Shipbuilding Group, party secretary, chairman of Dong Qiang attended the ceremony and issued a letter of appointment for Ma Weiming.

At the ceremony, Wu Qiang, deputy party secretary and general manager of China Shipbuilding Group, read out the Decision on Establishment of the Scientific and Technical Committee of China State Shipbuilding Corporation and the Appointment Document.

Deputy secretary of the party group, Deputy General Manager Wu Yongjie presided over the ceremony. Mr. Chen Zhili, Secretary General of CST, Mr. Xu Miao, Assistant Director of the General Manager and Director of the Ministry of Science and Technology, attended the ceremony.

China Shipbuilding Industry Office, Planning and Development Department, Department of Management and Management, Ministry of Defense Industry, Ministry of Marine Industry, Ministry of Power Industry, Ministry of Emerging Industries, China Shipbuilding Industry System Engineering Research Institute and China Shipbuilding Industry Technology and Economy Research Institute. , China Shipbuilding Science and Technology Commission in Beijing, chairman of the special committee to participate in the ceremony.

Ma Weiming said he was honored to serve as vice chairman of the CSSC Science and Technology Committee. He will work conscientiously to fulfill his duties and strive to translate his research achievements into an important force to promote the innovation and development of the CSSC and actively advise on CSSC's reform and development.

Dong Qiang, Academician Ma Weiming has been on the development of CSSC Group to give support and help to express my sincere thanks. He pointed out that Academician Ma Weiming is an outstanding scientist in the field of electrical and electronic engineering.

He has been awarded many national and military scientific and technological progress awards and made outstanding contributions to China's national defense and army modernization. Since 2013, China Shipbuilding Group hired Ma Weiming Academician as the Group of double-employed academicians, senior technical adviser, electrical engineering chief expert since the two sides maintained a good cooperative relationship, scientific research and innovation has achieved remarkable results.

Hiring Ma Weiming Academician of the China Shipbuilding Group, vice chairman of the Science and Technology Committee, the CSSC Group to better fulfill the first responsibility to protect the military, and further promote the integration of military and civilian development, continued to strengthen innovation drive is important. In the future, the departments and members of China Shipbuilding Group Headquarters will strengthen communication with Academician Ma Weiming and his team.

In view of the modernization of naval equipment modernization and the deep integration of military and civilian development, he earnestly listened to the valuable opinions and suggestions of Academician Ma Weiming and promoted the research level of CSSC. To a new level, to build a leading domestic, world-class innovative marine equipment group to provide strong support. (Wang Zhihui Lin Mengkai)

http://www.cssc.net.cn/component_news/news_detail.php?id=24549

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

So, there is 2 Type 002 AC under Construction in China right now?
with 1 in Jiangan Shipyard (EMALS Version), and another 1 in Dalian Shipyard (Steam Catapult Version).



Attaching Importance to Leading Personnel and Strengthening Innovation Drive
China Shipbuilding Group to hire Chinese Academy of Engineering Ma Weiming concurrently in the Shipbuilding Science and Technology Committee, vice chairman
Dong Qiang, Wu Qiang attended the appointment ceremony
Source: "China Ship News" 2016-12-28

December 27, China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation held Science and Technology Committee, vice chairman of the appointment ceremony, hired Chinese Academy of Engineering Ma Weiming concurrently vice chairman of the CSSC Science and Technology Commission. China Shipbuilding Group, party secretary, chairman of Dong Qiang attended the ceremony and issued a letter of appointment for Ma Weiming.

At the ceremony, Wu Qiang, deputy party secretary and general manager of China Shipbuilding Group, read out the Decision on Establishment of the Scientific and Technical Committee of China State Shipbuilding Corporation and the Appointment Document.

Deputy secretary of the party group, Deputy General Manager Wu Yongjie presided over the ceremony. Mr. Chen Zhili, Secretary General of CST, Mr. Xu Miao, Assistant Director of the General Manager and Director of the Ministry of Science and Technology, attended the ceremony.

China Shipbuilding Industry Office, Planning and Development Department, Department of Management and Management, Ministry of Defense Industry, Ministry of Marine Industry, Ministry of Power Industry, Ministry of Emerging Industries, China Shipbuilding Industry System Engineering Research Institute and China Shipbuilding Industry Technology and Economy Research Institute. , China Shipbuilding Science and Technology Commission in Beijing, chairman of the special committee to participate in the ceremony.

Ma Weiming said he was honored to serve as vice chairman of the CSSC Science and Technology Committee. He will work conscientiously to fulfill his duties and strive to translate his research achievements into an important force to promote the innovation and development of the CSSC and actively advise on CSSC's reform and development.

Dong Qiang, Academician Ma Weiming has been on the development of CSSC Group to give support and help to express my sincere thanks. He pointed out that Academician Ma Weiming is an outstanding scientist in the field of electrical and electronic engineering.

He has been awarded many national and military scientific and technological progress awards and made outstanding contributions to China's national defense and army modernization. Since 2013, China Shipbuilding Group hired Ma Weiming Academician as the Group of double-employed academicians, senior technical adviser, electrical engineering chief expert since the two sides maintained a good cooperative relationship, scientific research and innovation has achieved remarkable results.

Hiring Ma Weiming Academician of the China Shipbuilding Group, vice chairman of the Science and Technology Committee, the CSSC Group to better fulfill the first responsibility to protect the military, and further promote the integration of military and civilian development, continued to strengthen innovation drive is important. In the future, the departments and members of China Shipbuilding Group Headquarters will strengthen communication with Academician Ma Weiming and his team.

In view of the modernization of naval equipment modernization and the deep integration of military and civilian development, he earnestly listened to the valuable opinions and suggestions of Academician Ma Weiming and promoted the research level of CSSC. To a new level, to build a leading domestic, world-class innovative marine equipment group to provide strong support. (Wang Zhihui Lin Mengkai)

http://www.cssc.net.cn/component_news/news_detail.php?id=24549

Maybe, since Professor Ma is heading to CSSC, so there is a chance for an EMALS version of the Type 002.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

China's advanced arresting gear.

 

[grey boy 2]

Rumors that installation of "EMALS" has been going on the "002"
近日，中国002型航母最新舰体分段照片疑似出现了安装电磁弹射器的外观特征，引发热议。值得一提的是，致力于研发中国电磁弹射技术的海军电力工程专家马伟明日前再获嘉奖，外界普遍认为，中国国产003型航母很可能是核动力航母，采用电磁弹射已成定局，此次网曝照片显示，电磁弹射器或有望“提前上舰”，装备002型航母。

 

[Deino]

Rumors that installation of "EMALS" has been going on the "002"
近日，中国002型航母最新舰体分段照片疑似出现了安装电磁弹射器的外观特征，引发热议。值得一提的是，致力于研发中国电磁弹射技术的海军电力工程专家马伟明日前再获嘉奖，外界普遍认为，中国国产003型航母很可能是核动力航母，采用电磁弹射已成定局，此次网曝照片显示，电磁弹射器或有望“提前上舰”，装备002型航母。

Oh come on ! This is not a rumour but simply an uneducated discussion from fan-boys and dreamers: Even if the true 002 will get such a catapult, so far nothing real has been seen and this is only a demo-module, well known since some years. In fact a sub-scale module.

Deino