CV-18 Fujian - Type 003 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

[JSCh]

Look like the MOD spokesman is referring to 001a, not 002.

China assembling first domestic-built aircraft carrier
Source: Xinhua | 2016-10-27 16:24:42 | Editor: huaxia

BEIJING, Oct. 27 (Xinhua) -- China's first domestic-built aircraft carrier is in the development stage, with the hull having already been assembled in a shipyard, said a spokesperson for the country's Ministry of National Defense on Thursday.

Design work on the vessel has been completed, said the ministry spokesperson Wu Qian, adding that workers are currently installing equipment to the ship's body.

 

[grey boy 2]

 

[Zhu Rong Zheng Yang]

NOTE:
please comment freely ... ... I would like to hear your thinking.
Thanks so much before hand.

===

1.) In term of installing Steam cat and EM cat, there is no such thing is Frozen Interior Design.

2.) If by end of yr 2017 -- both Steam cat and EM cat are equally ready and mature, and thus ...

3.) It was definitely Misleading to claim that Steam cat is more reliable and easier to maintain than EM cat.

4.) There are huge and significant Differences and Benefits in terms of Maintenance and Reliability and
Adjustable Power Output Performance and Space Requirement between Steam cat and EM cat,
thus it would be very logical if CV-18 / 002 installs and use EM cat.

===

IIRC, the Big Shrimp ( Big Cat ) claimed CV-18 will use Steam cat.
Just because the PLAN Steam cat is more mature and ready to go since yr 2011, and
the internal Design of CV-18 has been frozen.
Sorry, IMHO, this is very simplistic and shallow to think this way.

If this is true, then ... ...
This is a clear example of Static and Non Innovative Thinking that still permeating in
many PLA officials, PRC government officials, and old generation Engineers and Scientists.

===

IIRC, one more critical factor that many watcher had missed, ... ... is PLAN Superstar Scientist
and multi Inventor MWM had already successfully manufactured / produced a relatively small
( Superconducting Simultaneous AC + DC generators and motors ) system in yr 2006.

NOTE:

At that time in 2006, globally, no other scientist have ever written any paper on
( Superconducting Simultaneous AC + DC generators and motors ), let alone working prototype
and working production device. They all think it is impossible.

So far until now, I can spot only 1 scientist submitting a scientific paper on this.
And, his name is Chinese -- I seriously hope this civilian scientist is not -- a Hanjian
/ Traitor selling his knowledge ( after stealing it from MWM ) to americese CIA.

===

The benefits of using ( Superconducting Simultaneous AC + DC generators and motors )
compares to conventional generators and motors are drastic in terms of ... ...
Space Requirement, Power Consumption, Cooling, and
Smooth Variable Force Output at all incremental setting for launching
Swarming Interconnecting Drones with different shape, size and weight.

By end of yr 2017, given that both Steam cat and EM cat are equally ready and mature, ... ...
Since, in term of practical deployment, both Steam cat and EM cat systems are Brand New.

***Thus, ... ...
Why would PLAN brass limit and restrain the performance of CV-18 by
installing Steam cat in upcoming CV-18 ?


1) Superconducting EMALS cat

2) Superconducting EMALS cat

===

IMHO, ... ...
The upcoming age of Multiple Combined arms ( AIR + NAVAL + YM Baloon + Air Defense ) with
Swarming and Interconnecting Drones ( both Airborne n Underwater ) leading the charge on
the battlefield is here to stay.

Steam cat is NOT able to launch those Swarming and Interconnecting Drones, due to
( Steam cat Launching power output ) is static and not adjustable and shrinking.
***Thus, Superconducting EMAL cat is a must have for any future Aircraft Carrier to launch
those Swarming and Interconnecting Drones.

+++

In summary, we will hear more and more stories that americese is stealing and copying from PRC.
Too many of all those western english teachers in China are spies sent by CIA to
destroy China from inside by helping Uighur terrorists, and now steal China National Secrets, while pretending to be english teachers.

***Thus, all Chinese citizens need to be vigilant and carefully track and monitor all those
western english teachers in China all across Chinese cities, and watch their hidden actions
in interacting with their local Chinese students and their parents.


===

To those americese, Israelese, Indian, aussies, brits members who support usa,
are you reading this post ?

@gambit ,, @Providence ,, @Surya 1 ,, @500 ,, @DavidSling ,,
@A.P. Richelieu ,, @mike2000 is back

 

[Joe Shearer]

@ChineseTiger1986 ,, @cirr ,, @grey boy 2 ,, @cnleio ,, @yusheng ,,
@TaiShang ,, @Deino ,, @english_man ,, and many other members

If you can, please comment freely ... ... I would like to hear your thinking.
Thanks so much before hand.

===

1.) In term of installing Steam cat and EM cat, there is no such thing is Frozen Interior Design.

2.) If by end of yr 2017 -- both Steam cat and EM cat are equally ready and mature, and thus ...

3.) It was definitely Misleading to claim that Steam cat is more reliable and easier to maintain than EM cat.

4.) There are huge and significant Differences and Benefits in terms of Maintenance and Reliability and
Adjustable Power Output Performance and Space Requirement between Steam cat and EM cat,
thus it would be very logical if CV-18 / 002 installs and use EM cat.

===

IIRC, the Big Shrimp ( Big Cat ) claimed CV-18 will use Steam cat.
Just because the PLAN Steam cat is more mature and ready to go since yr 2011, and
the internal Design of CV-18 has been frozen.
Sorry, IMHO, this is very simplistic and shallow to think this way.

If this is true, then ... ...
This is a clear example of Static and Non Innovative Thinking that still permeating in
many PLA officials, PRC government officials, and old generation Engineers and Scientists.

===

IIRC, one more critical factor that many watcher had missed, ... ... is PLAN Superstar Scientist
and multi Inventor MWM had already successfully manufactured / produced a relatively small
( Superconducting Simultaneous AC + DC generators and motors ) system in yr 2006.

NOTE:

At that time in 2006, globally, no other scientist have ever written any paper on
( Superconducting Simultaneous AC + DC generators and motors ), let alone working prototype
and working production device. They all think it is impossible.

So far until now, I can spot only 1 scientist submitting a scientific paper on this.
And, his name is Chinese -- I seriously hope this civilian scientist is not -- a Hanjian
/ Traitor selling his knowledge ( after stealing it from MWM ) to americese CIA.

===

The benefits of using ( Superconducting Simultaneous AC + DC generators and motors )
compares to conventional generators and motors are drastic in terms of ... ...
Space Requirement, Power Consumption, Cooling, and
Smooth Variable Force Output at all incremental setting for launching
Swarming Interconnecting Drones with different shape, size and weight.

By end of yr 2017, given that both Steam cat and EM cat are equally ready and mature, ... ...
Since, in term of practical deployment, both Steam cat and EM cat systems are Brand New.

***Thus, ... ...
Why would PLAN brass limit and restrain the performance of CV-18 by
installing Steam cat in upcoming CV-18 ?


1) Superconducting EMALS cat
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2) Superconducting EMALS cat
View attachment 351222



===

IMHO, ... ...
The upcoming age of Multiple Combined arms ( AIR + NAVAL + YM Baloon + Air Defense ) with
Swarming and Interconnecting Drones ( both Airborne n Underwater ) leading the charge on
the battlefield is here to stay.

Steam cat is NOT able to launch those Swarming and Interconnecting Drones, due to
( Steam cat Launching power output ) is static and not adjustable and shrinking.
***Thus, Superconducting EMAL cat is a must have for any future Aircraft Carrier to launch
those Swarming and Interconnecting Drones.

+++

In summary, we will hear more and more stories that americese is stealing and copying from PRC.
Too many of all those western english teachers in China are spies sent by CIA to
destroy China from inside by helping Uighur terrorists, and now steal China National Secrets, while pretending to be english teachers.

***Thus, all Chinese citizens need to be vigilant and carefully track and monitor all those
western english teachers in China all across Chinese cities, and watch their hidden actions
in interacting with their local Chinese students and their parents.


===

To those americese, Israelese, Indian, aussies, brits members who support usa,
are you reading this post ?

@gambit ,, @Providence ,, @Surya 1 ,, @500 ,, @DavidSling ,,
@A.P. Richelieu ,, @mike2000 is back ,, @Joe Shearer

Please DO NOT tag me without any reason.

 

[Zarvan]

China's First Aircraft Carrier 'Liaoning' To Start Training With New Capacity

China’s first aircraft carrier the Liaoning now ‘combat ready’

China's first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning has recently left East China’s Shandong province to start a new training mission.

The Liaoning is the first aircraft carrier commissioned into the People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) Surface Force. It has reached its full capacity and is now ready to "fight against enemies",Global Times reported Monday.


The aircraft carrier has been described as a surface platform for tests and training by the PLA's official media and currently as having a real combat capacity.

“At this moment, we are doing our best to promote our strength and use it to prevent war, and are prepared for actual combat at any time." Li Dongyou, the political commissar of the Liaoning said.

As a combat platform, regarding technology and capability to execute missions, China still lags behind the US, but three high-ranking US officials who visited the Liaoning before all gave a positive evaluation on the management affairs on the carrier.

The training photos displayed on official Chinese military websites, indicated that the ship had taken on its full accompaniment of aircraft.

The Liaoning, which was purchased as an incomplete Soviet-made hull from Ukraine in 1998, was commissioned in 2012.

China is also in the process of constructing its first indigenously built carrier, which the Defense Ministry said late last month was proceeding smoothly, with the hull having already been assembled.

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/17...Start_Training_With_New_Capacity#.WCwUmdR95kg

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The Type 002 will use the EMALS and displace over 100,000 tonnes.

The only remaining question is: will it have the nuclear propulsion?

Since China has also revealed its shipborne nuclear reactor.

http://news.sciencenet.cn/htmlnews/2016/1/336376.shtm

 

[Akasa]

The Type 002 will use the EMALS and displace over 100,000 tonnes.

The only remaining question is: will it have the nuclear propulsion?

Since China has also revealed its shipborne nuclear reactor.

http://news.sciencenet.cn/htmlnews/2016/1/336376.shtm

The Type 002 is a 70-80000 ton conventional carrier with steam catapults. So far, rumors have ruled out EMALS and nuclear propulsion.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The Type 002 is a 70-80000 ton conventional carrier with steam catapults. So far, rumors have ruled out EMALS and nuclear propulsion.

Your information is out, the steam catapult is dead and has been kicked out by the EMALS, and everyone has now changed their tone, including POP3.

Jiangnan is also going to enlarge the size of the shipyard no. 4 specifically for the coming Type 002.

The old Type 002 is dead, and the new Type 002 is the originally designated Type 003.

 

[Akasa]

Your information is out, the steam catapult is dead and has been kicked out by the EMALS, and everyone has now changed their tone, including POP3.

Jiangnan is also going to enlarge the size of the shipyard #4 specifically for the coming Type 002.

The old Type 002 is dead, and the new Type 002 is the original Type 003.

That's not the consensus. The Type 002 was originally supposed to take the Type 001A's place, but the PLAN decided on a conservative approach (hence why the 002 will adopt only a steam catapult).

However, there is no doubt that an EMALS is being developed (J-15A has flown from one).

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

That's not the consensus. The Type 002 was originally supposed to take the Type 001A's place, but the PLAN decided on a conservative approach (hence why the 002 will adopt only a steam catapult).

However, there is no doubt that an EMALS is being developed (J-15A has flown from one).

It is becoming the consensus now, you haven't been updated the current information regarding the Type 002 since you don't know how to read Chinese.

 

[Akasa]

It is becoming the consensus now, you haven't been updated the current information regarding the Type 002 since you don't know how to read Chinese.

Not exactly. There are bloggers who translate up-to-date rumors into English, and from what's on there, the consensus is that the Type 002 will be a conventionally-powered vessel with steam cats.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Not exactly. There are bloggers who translate up-to-date rumors into English, and from what's on there, the consensus is that the Type 002 will be a conventionally-powered vessel with steam cats.

They translated those outdated rumors.

The original Type 002 is dead, now it is the birth of the new Type 002.

 

[Pepsi Cola]

They translated those outdated rumors.

The original Type 002 is dead, now it is the birth of the new Type 002.

make sense, considering there really is no need to start with a steam catapult.

 

[samsara]

Not exactly. There are bloggers who translate up-to-date rumors into English, and from what's on there, the consensus is that the Type 002 will be a conventionally-powered vessel with steam cats.

One of the bloggers who does the translation sounds like Chan Kai Yee, an author of a couple of English books about China and runs his own blog to promote those books.

He inferred that the Chinese people are much inferior in quality compared to the American and asserted that due to China does not adopt the western democracy, it should not be allowed to surpass the USA in military and the USA should remain the number one in the world.
Some good source, just the kinds of Gordon Chang, Dean Cheng

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

One of the bloggers sounds like Chan Kai Yee, an author of a couple of English books about China and runs his own blog to promote those books.

He inferred that the Chinese people are much inferior in quality compared to the American and asserted that due to China does not adopt the western democracy, it should not be allowed to surpass the USA in military and the USA should remain the number one in the world.
Some good source, just the kinds of Gordon Chang, Dean Cheng

Daokou & Meyet: Staunch EMALS supporter since beginning.

Slayerhuahua: Staunch steam catapult supporter, but later complained about the new alternative design is exhausting the designing team of the Type 002.

fzgfzy: Staunch steam catapult supporter, but now he says the there is a contest between the EMALS and the steam catapult, and he believes the EMALS is likely the winner.

POP3: Staunch steam catapult supporter, but he is changing his tone now, not excluding the new plan for the EMALS.