Two Opposing Terms: Islamic and Republic

[Bilal.]

No my friend, no. Islam is perfectly compatible with democracy, for the people and by the people.

the most perfect example of a democratic state is UK. Is a Christian state, and we are a Muslim state, it wont change...

The only difference being you can't legislate say things like nationalisation, interest, etc. Because they go against the right to own private property and protection of private property and ribbah guidance advocated by Islam, where as in a western democratic system it's no problem. Interestingly all that has been done by us

So the right to legislate is there but within a certain framework.

 

[FaujHistorian]

True, the problem is general psyche of our elites you add or remove Islam it will make no difference. It's this mentality that is the problem.

@FaujHistorian

I hear you bro.

I hear you.


But this thread is a discussion about concepts of Republic vs. Islamic

Please contribute with your understanding of Republic.

Which philosopher and which definition of Republic that you follow.

Thank you

 

[Imran Khan]

khilafat khilafat kerny waaly kabhi ye nhi bataty ke khilafat main phly 5 main se 4 khaleefa ka kya bana or kitni barbaadi civil war thi khilafat e rashida main

 

[T-123456]

@Bilal.
Real Islamic principles and teachings are incompatible with direct or indirect democracy ...
Either we can be "Islamic" , or we can be "Republic"

What about,Peoples Republik of China or Democratic Peoples Republik of Korea?
Is it a republik?
I think any country can use the term Republik,it doesnt allways have the real meaning in the name of a country.

 

[Bilal.]

What about,Peoples Republik of China or Democratic Peoples Republik of Korea?
Is it a republik?
I think any country can use the term Republik,it doesnt allways have the real meaning in the name of a country.

Yes they are, with a very limited franchise of voting right... I mean very recently some western countries did not allow women to vote... Would be a scandal today

 

[Leader]

The only difference being you can't legislate say things like nationalisation, interest, etc. Because they go against the right to own private property and protection of private property and ribbah guidance advocated by Islam, where as in a western democratic system it's no problem. Interestingly all that has been done by us

So the right to legislate is there but within a certain framework.

just like the christian england wont ever implement sharia law, for example.

remember Jinnah's speech calling for developing an economic, political and social justice system based on principles of Islamic socialism. our forefathers wanted to give us a fresh start... to dream and build our own future, with our own hands... alas we stick to capitalism and post-colonialism ! @Bilal.

 

[FaujHistorian]

khilafat khilafat kerny waaly kabhi ye nhi bataty ke khilafat main phly 5 main se 4 khaleefa ka kya bana or kitni barbaadi civil war thi khilafat e rashida main

I am afraid, this thread will become heavy on Islam postings with few contributions on "Republic".

 

[Bilal.]

khilafat khilafat kerny waaly kabhi ye nhi bataty ke khilafat main phly 5 main se 4 khaleefa ka kya bana or kitni barbaadi civil war thi khilafat e rashida main

Bhai jaan koi aa ke yeh bhi key sakta hai ke democracy democracy kerne waaly kabhi ye nahi batatay ke French revolution or British civil war mien kitni barbadi hoi thi...


But on the otherwise it's not a particular system that is Islamic.

just like the christian england wont ever implement sharia law, for example.

Hypothetically, they can they just choose not to.

 

[T-123456]

Could someone give me an example of a state with an Islamic or Christian or any other religious constitution doing good?
And NOT because of minerals wealth?
Btw,im not in favor of democracy for Pakistan.

 

[Imran Khan]

I am afraid, this thread will become heavy on Islam postings with few contributions on "Republic".

because brain washed members can't face reality how can be they so wrong abut something very familiar ?

Bhai jaan koi aa ke yeh bhi key sakta hai ke democracy democracy kerne waaly kabhi ye nahi batatay ke French revolution or British civil war mien kitni barbadi hoi thi...


But on the otherwise it's not a particular system that is Islamic.



Hypothetically, they can they just choose not to.

its mean both are same nothing from god both man made

 

[Bilal.]

remember Jinnah's speech calling for developing an economic, political and social justice system based on principles of Islamic socialism. our forefathers wanted to give us a fresh start... to dream and build our own future, with our own hands... alas we stick to capitalism and post-colonialism ! @Bilal.

True that bro! The khotay sikkay did not allow it...

its mean both are same nothing from god both man made

Means man is still fallible... When egos and tribal conflicts overtook thinking process there was bloodshed. In a way a primitive form of nationalism(tribalism) caused the rifts.

 

[FaujHistorian]

What about,Peoples Republik of China or Democratic Peoples Republik of Korea?
Is it a republik?
I think any country can use the term Republik,it doesnt allways have the real meaning in the name of a country.

But the question is

if they follow the definition of republic on not.

One thing that I can see right away that


"Peoples" and "Republic" are one and the same thing.

Republic means "People".

It is like naming a fish, a fish.

naming a car, a car.

naming your newborn boy, a boy


you can always call him "O boy come here".

But can you go to school and register him as Boy

or would you rather name him Bob, Ali, Akram, Harry, or Dick.


peace

 

[Leader]

Bhai jaan koi aa ke yeh bhi key sakta hai ke democracy democracy kerne waaly kabhi ye nahi batatay ke French revolution or British civil war mien kitni barbadi hoi thi...


But on the otherwise it's not a particular system that is Islamic.



Hypothetically, they can they just choose not to.

thats a kinda dil kay behlanay ko ghalib yeh khiyal acha hai thing... nothing more, however, one must appreciate they are a nation of laws, they have never made a law which is unjust, nor did they ever made a law which is ever challenged in the court of law and ruled out against them for being unjust.

they do now however, have a somewhat documented constitution too, the principle documents are codified as constitution.

and that and only that are presented in the Supreme court if a matter is to be taken, havent heard any case yet, since establishment of England's supreme court.

 

[M. Sarmad]

@FaujHistorian

Brother start from the very basic definition

Republic can be defined in different ways ... but one thing is common , a republic CAN`T be ruled by a Monarch / Sovereign ...

And Islam says Allah is the Sovereign (our constitution says the same) and his authority cant be challenged no matter what the majority wants ...



In a republic / democracy .. Supreme power is held by the people and their elected representative

In Islamic system , supreme power is held by Allah , And his appointed Khalifa (caliph) has to ensure the implementation of Allahs will/orders



In a republic , constitution is made by elected representatives and can be changed at will

In a Islamic system , Quran is the real constitution that cant be changed till eternity

 

[Bilal.]

@Leader, there is a huge difference, if hypothetically they do that they would still qualify as a democracy. But the day you legislate against Islamic principles you cease to be Islamic. We are Islamic by name only