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Two ex PLAN navy frigate joining in 2018 to Bangladesh Navy.

Strategically and financially BoB is more important to us to be dominant over. We can utilize all our resources on our maritime boundary.... But beyond that you need to get permission from UN and there are lot of paperwork's involved. Being a total dominant boot to faces force in bay of Bengal should be our top priority.
 
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Strategically and financially BoB is more important to us to be dominant over. We can utilize all our resources on our maritime boundary.... But beyond that you need to get permission from UN and there are lot of paperwork's involved. Being a total dominant boot to faces force in bay of Bengal should be our top priority.

That is what the next-gen frigates, destroyers(yes they will come by 2030), advanced subs and the SU-30SMEs will allow BD to do.

BD should leave rest of IOR to USN and PLAN.
 
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That is what the next-gen frigates, destroyers(yes they will come by 2030), advanced subs and the SU-30SMEs will allow BD to do.

BD should leave rest of IOR to USN and PLAN.
Speaking with common sense for a country like bd we can't even have a say (dominant even if we wanted to, many factors) in Indian Ocean.... I just want our air force and navy to thrive.
 
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China is a great friend of ours.... but that doesn't mean that China can and will establish military bases all throughout the Indian Ocean rim to protect our shipping.... China has her own challenges with their shipping (mainly energy and mineral supplies from the Middle East and Africa) crossing the Indian Navy's bow....

any rational understanding would suggest that China can't keep that line open through at-sea refueling alone.... China needs strong friends here, not vassals..... and Bangladesh can help China keep their route safe.... its much more economical for China to let us control the Indian Ocean rather than control the Ocean themselves using the PLAN from bases in South China Sea.... PLAN can't control the Indian Ocean with the Straight of Malacca in between their bases and their supply sources....

and remember that realities change.....
think about the reality of China 15 years back.... would we have this discussion then?.... impossible....
we can't be slaves of reality....
Very well said.

By 2030 Japan and Korea combined will be nothing in front of China.

Why should allowing docking facilities to China
upset Japan or Korea as they wont be affected
by this?
We need a strong presence of friendly BD navy in IOR to make sure the sea lane won't controlled by our enemy.
 
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No need for that.

BD Navy will control the Bay of Bengal.
Pakistan Navy will control Arabian Sea.
Chinese CBGs will come in to control the rest of the IOR.

I can see the Chinese masterplan at work here.

It's about Area Denial to IN not sea control, because both BD and Pakistan can not field large number of assets to control BoB and AS against IN.
 
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It's about Area Denial to IN not sea control, because both BD and Pakistan can not field large number of assets to control BoB and AS against IN.

Well IOR will also have USN and PLAN patrolling and they will both have superior technology than IN.
IN will just be another player and they risk being squeezed by BN, PN and PLAN.
As long as BD, Pakistan and China put paid to any Indian dreams of dominating the IOR, then this is
all that matters.
 
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Ok let us see the cost of similar size ship with roughly similar capability

Korean Sejong class is 923 million US dollars a ship so and the Type 055 could easily be in the 750-800
million US dollar range.

sejong is among the cheapest aegis ships ever, that said, i won't go argue with you about the price, my original point still stands, at 750 million to 1 billion a ship, you're gonna get 3, then have no fund at all for army, airforce or anything else.
 
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sejong is among the cheapest aegis ships ever, that said, i won't go argue with you about the price, my original point still stands, at 750 million to 1 billion a ship, you're gonna get 3, then have no fund at all for army, airforce or anything else.

Costs are spread over 20-30 years of the life of ships. GDP and hence defence expenditure growth and soft loans to buy ships all need to be taken into account.
No offence but you are using schoolboy maths here.
 
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Well IOR will also have USN and PLAN patrolling and they will both have superior technology than IN.
IN will just be another player and they risk being squeezed by BN, PN and PLAN.
As long as BD, Pakistan and China put paid to any Indian dreams of dominating the IOR, then this is
all that matters.

BN is expanding but what doctrine they will follow? PN is clearly going for Area Denial as they are purchasing equipment which is very good to support that doctrine, one more thing is that IN knows that PN can take them down while it self going down as PN can use TNW against IN if things got that bad.
 
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BN is expanding but what doctrine they will follow? PN is clearly going for Area Denial as they are purchasing equipment which is very good to support that doctrine, one more thing is that IN knows that PN can take them down while it self going down as PN can use TNW against IN if things got that bad.

Deny IN dominance over Bay of Bengal is the probable BD doctrine. Once you bring in PLAN
then IN will be completely neutered as India then needs to face 3 Navies.
We need not worry too much about use of nuclear weapons as BD and India do not
have any territorial issues. BN needs the ability to stop Indian coercion in any future scenario
- e.g. IN tries to stop BD trade via the sea.
 
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Costs are spread over 20-30 years of the life of ships. GDP and hence defence expenditure growth and soft loans to buy ships all need to be taken into account.
No offence but hot are using schoolboy maths here.

IF someone will loan you a 3 billion dollars soft loan paid over 30 years then sure, but such a loan can only come from another government but no one in their right mind is gonna loan you 3 billion for ddgs, ships what would effectively be white elephants, military ships do not generate a return(unlike a power station or a port) outside of the immediate shipbuilding business, and if there is no interest or interest that does not keep up with inflation then there is no economical reason, so the only thing left is a political loan, however in any scenario involving bangladesh, a loan for subs/sams/jets makes more sense than 3 DDGs. if your potential enemy is india, then DDG will do no nothing aside from taking fund away from the army, yea you'll be real free alright, roam the ocean all you want while the indian army occupies all your land(if the indian navy dont sink your measly 3 DDGS first). if your potential enemy is myanmar, they barely have a navy to speak of, a force of corvettes/frigates and a strong land force is more than enough. if your potential enemy is the us, then 10 DDGs won't help, let alone 3.

again what bangladesh need is something to play on the enemies weakness, not their strengths, that means get subs, and anti-air, jets, things that are hard to kill, difficult to find and punch above their weight, to defend the homeland, buy time, make it expensive to attack(not necessarily to win), NOT take the fight to a much stronger enemy, make friends that can help you if a potential enemy attacks. for example, india would have to be off the deep end to attack if the front line have say, 5000 americans or chinese for that matter (either civilians or military staff that will get hit hard first).
 
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Deny IN dominance over Bay of Bengal is the probable BD doctrine. Once you bring in PLAN
then IN will be completely neutered as India then needs to face 3 Navies.
We need not worry too much about use of nuclear weapons as BD and India do not
have any territorial issues. BN needs the ability to stop Indian coercion in any future scenario
- e.g. IN tries to stop BD trade via the sea.

If you think IN May face 03 Navies as for at same time in war then you are mistaken.

China want it's investment to be protected by it's allies where investment is made, that is why BD and Pakistan is getting support in their Naval capacity, China will not enter any war of BD and Pakistan with India because it will hurt their economy and give US opportunity to engage them.

China will only be supportive in any war, until India threatened existence of CPEC or Pakistan.
 
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