Turkiye will totally change the rules of game in region: TF-X MMU Stealth Fighter

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@dBSPL "certain guarantees"

We are a partner of F35 project , make many parts but it is not guarantee to get them because of recent political situation, no one can guarantee those engines

 

[cabatli_53]

TFX Subcontracted Systems and Equipment for local institutes have been introduced by Turkish Aerospace Industry.

 

[UKBengali]

I am almost sure that TF-X will use F110-GE-129 engines which has a thrust of 290000lbf. That is a perfect thrust rate which is satisfying the requirements of Turkish Air Force (27000+lbf).

Hürjet-C fighter: GE F404 (17000lbf)
TF-X fighter: GE F110(29000lbf)

If GE F110 is the engine for prototype, then TF-X will be a "heavy" fighter like F-22 and so the thrust of whatever final engine is installed will be in the range of 35-40,000 lbs. This would rule out a derivate of Roll Royce's EJ-2000 engine as that is an engine designed for "medium" size fighters.

 

[cabatli_53]

If GE F110 is the engine for prototype, then TF-X will be a "heavy" fighter like F-22 and so the thrust of whatever final engine is installed will be in the range of 35-40,000 lbs. This would rule out a derivate of Roll Royce's EJ-2000 engine as that is an engine designed for "medium" size fighters.

F-22
Length: 18,9m
Wingspan: 13,56m

TF-X
Length: 19m
Wingspan: 12m

In terms of size, TF-X is almost equal to F-22.

The national engine that is being developed by TrMotor will have a thrust around ~27000lbf. At the beginning of program, It was envisaged that The total thrust rate must be above 40000lbf on twin engine variant If we want to reveal a competitive air superiority fighter compared to rivals because total take-off weight is calculated to be more than 60000lb (F-35A class) on concept design phase. You know Power to Weight is an important issue to calculate useful payload capacity without sacrificing much from performance. Selection of F110-GE-129 will satisfy all performance requirements of TurAF on both prototypes and some of serially produced fighters (If needed) until national turbofan engines are brought to scene by 2028/30's. RR will likely be a partner of national engine development program to supply needed know-how to develop an excellent engine whose I&P rights solely belong to Turkish Republic.

 

[cabatli_53]

Just a brain gym,

TF-X (2,62-2,53kw/ton): GE129; 29000lbf x2: 58000lbf(78,63kw) on more than 65000lb-70000lb(~30-31t) MTOW

F-22(2,51kw/ton): F119PW100; 35000lbf x2: 70000lbf(94,9kw) on 83500lb(37,8t) MTOW

F-15K(2,14kw/ton): GE129;29000lbf x2: 58000lbf(78,63kw) on 81000lb(36,7t) MTOW

Pak-Fa(2,38kw/ton): Al-41F 32500lbf x2: 65000lbf(88,12kw) on 81500lb(37t) MTOW

J-20 ( 2,92-2,71kw/ton):Ws-15 40000lbf x2: 80000lbf (108,4kw) on 37-40t MTOW.



According to those figures, TF-X will be one of the strongest air superiority stealth fighter which will be in same league with most capable rivals. TF-X design office made a sharp maneouvring with selecting F110 family to play the top. If Ej-200 was selected, It will be a moderate fighter but It seems the dimension of national turbofan engine will be very similar to that F110-129 so Decision is given to make TF-X a real beast not only on paper but also on air.

 

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[dBSPL]

GE F110 axisymmetric vectoring in the early 1990.

 

[cabatli_53]

 

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I still can't believe Turkey selected GE F110 engine.. It's overkill imo.. however on the bright side, Im certain Turkey has tons of spare parts and know-how on the GE F110 engine since Turkey license assembles the engines.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

China, Russia, Britain, Germany, France, America are the only 6 countries that build fighter jets with 100% domestic components. These 6 countries are the 6 super powers in the world. Rest countries can't build jet engine for fighter jets.

 

[MMM-E]

China, Russia, Britain, Germany, France, America are the only 6 countries that build fighter jets with 100% domestic components. These 6 countries are the 6 super powers in the world. Rest countries can't build jet engine for fighter jets.

not Germany
but the US,The UK,Russia,China,France built Fighter Jets with 100% domestic components
btw Russia/Ukraine/France helped China to develop Gas turbine Engine ( Turbofan and Turboshaft )
and Chinese and Russian electro-optic Systems are inferior to Western Countries including Turkey

 

[Timur]

China, Russia, Britain, Germany, France, America are the only 6 countries that build fighter jets with 100% domestic components. These 6 countries are the 6 super powers in the world. Rest countries can't build jet engine for fighter jets.

no one of them build everything by themselves and 100%.. maybe some of them are forced to do more work on their own but others realized itds idiotic and costs too much to make it 100% alone so they split the costs when it comes to such projects..

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

no one of them build everything by themselves and 100%.. maybe some of them are forced to do more work on their own but others realized itds idiotic and costs too much to make it 100% alone so they split the costs when it comes to such projects..

They can if they want. These 6 countries have the best military technology in the world.

not Germany

Germany has Eurojet EJ200. France has SNECMA M88. Both are world class jet engines.

 

[Timur]

They can if they want. These 6 countries have the best military technology in the world.

but they dont because of certain reasons you dont have to but you should aquire such technology its a matter of time and recources its faster to cooperate with others

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

but they dont because of certain reasons you dont have to but you should aquire such technology its a matter of time and recources its faster to cooperate with others

What part of Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale is not European? Can you name?