Turkish silent oppression of Kurds

[TurAr]

AKP is an islamist party so Erdogan wanting to raise a youth who is aware of their religious background is perfectly legitimate. Remember, it was the people who elected AKP. They are supportive of this stance since they obviously elected them into parliament. Also exercising democracy doesn't mean that you absolutely have to introduce secularism. Many non-secular countries are democracies and very fine at that, in fact almost every European country is not secular except France and maybe few others. I tried to sum up in the thread i posted above why Turkey has failed to raise democratic standards for a very long time. The prime reason according to my observations is that by alienating/marginalizing a very large portion of the population (Kurds, Muslims etc.) there has been inner conflict which has stunned the development for democracy, no one in their sane mind can deny that.

At least half of the Turkish citizens aren't supporting that stance. Calling Atheists as "junkies" (tinerci) doesn't alieanating/marginalizing a very large portion of the population?

In middle east and Muslim majority countries, without secularism it is impossible to exercise democracy. Simple as that. Don't give me examples from Europe.

The prime reason according to my observations is that by alienating/marginalizing a very large portion of the population (Kurds, Muslims etc.) there has been inner conflict which has stunned the development for democracy, no one in their sane mind can deny that.

But AKP is now doing the same thing to different group of people, but you are denying it...

I wouldn't call your examples contradictions. That's the AKP policies which you dislike not Zulkarneyn, just because he doesn't agree with what you are disagreeing doesn't prove that he is contradicting himself.

Perhaps you don't know the meaning of "contradiction", I don't believe he said words against "rasing religions generations" in one thread and then supported that view. But if he did you better prove it, or else you are making a false accusation once again.

Those are anti-democratic policies of AKP, Zulkarneyn is talking in favor of Democracy but avoiding to see those policies. This is contradiction.

 

[Deno]

If I don't read a comment, I don't reply to it. Replying to that comment by saying "i didn't read it because it is too long" is showing the users egocentricism and his/her low brain capacity.

You don't know the DRTL and RTFM? This is an English based forum so using English based trends/memes are normal. If you think that using fun memes are egoistic behaviours or sign of low brain capacity then I think you show those signs because you didn't actualy searched before commenting on my reply...

I'm not sure but maybe she was referring to inci sözlük meme : "özet geç ..."

It is a similar meme, it is usually written as TLDR = Too long, Didn't read. It is used against people who posts novel lenght answers.

 

[Targon]

Here is an example

 

[Deno]

I'm not sure but maybe she was referring to inci sözlük meme : "özet geç ..."

Here is an example

Here is the epic video

DIDN'T READ LOL.avi - YouTube

 

[Selim I]

Yeah those behaviours pretty much proves your ages. This isn't a troll forum, it's a serious defence forum.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

At least half of the Turkish citizens aren't supporting that stance. Calling Atheists as "junkies" (tinerci) doesn't alieanating/marginalizing a very large portion of the population?

In middle east and Muslim majority countries, without secularism it is impossible to exercise democracy. Simple as that. Don't give me examples from Europe.



But AKP is now doing the same thing to different group of people, but you are denying it...



Those are anti-democratic policies of AKP, Zulkarneyn is talking in favor of Democracy but avoiding to see those policies. This is contradiction.

Can you be more specific, what is it that the AKP is doing that marginalize/alienate certain groups? Are atheists being discriminated against? And if so, in which way and how can you compare that with Kurdish and religous discrimination for generations?

 

[Targon]

Our people is not mature enough to understand what other people do is not concerns them, in fact, even the state leader is not aware of that, thats why a secular system without restrictions againts believers is the only democratic way.

AKP is abusing the minds of simple minded ordinary people for the demands of a small cemaat elite, most of them not even have a clear political view, they don't care about the agenda.

Well, whatever people here thinks, thats the reality, by giving examples from Europe you're fooling yourself, you can't expect a democracy or respect to freedom from AKP or any other conservative party, actually ovarally any current political group, we're not mature enough.

 

[TurAr]

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[mehmeTcc]

I'm negative towards Islam, there are millions of people like me.

There is no difference between people like you and radical-Islamists.

 

[Killuminati]

I'm negative towards Islam,

What did Islam to you that you have negative feelings about it?

 

[TurAr]

There is no difference between people like you and radical-Islamists.

Unlike Radical-Islamists, i'm not imposing my beliefs to anyone.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Here, you answered that question few weeks ago :


http://www.defence.pk/forums/turkey-defence/184355-turks-do-most-muslims-practice-islam-7.html

I'm negative towards Islam, there are millions of people like me. I'm respecting your freedom of religion. But i'm critical about its content and how it is practicing. And no one has to think positive about Ottoman empire.

But you think that people like me must be arrested. That is your and AKP's understanding of democracy.

Discussion is over for me after the bold phrase. Proven why i shouldnt take you seriously once again

 

[TurAr]

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[Zulkarneyn]

Thanks for proving my point

Have i expressed anything that comes close to your accusation, i am speechless, i really am.

 

[RazPaK]

Why so many Anti-Islam Turks these days?


These guys should be beaten like dogs.