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Isnt it clear?
Not really, you just pointed out that people die in a war.
Or are you trying to imply that Jews/Israel are our enemy.
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Not really, you just pointed out that people die in a war.
Or are you trying to imply that Jews/Israel are our enemy.
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What do you think about Jews? I ask you.
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I dont base my opinion of other people on religion.
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Who Said Jews are a religious group?!
''The Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים ISO 259-3 Yehudim Israeli pronunciation [jehuˈdim]), also known as the Jewish people, are a nation and an ethnoreligious group, originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of the Ancient Near East. The Jewish ethnicity, nationality, and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation.[12][13][14] Converts to Judaism, whose status as Jews within the Jewish ethnos is equal to those born into it, have been absorbed into the Jewish people throughout the millennia.''
This is Debka file view (not my view):
Turkey badly needed to end row with Israel. Netanyahu
Turkey badly needed to end row with Israel. Netanyahu’s apology gave Obama a diplomatic breakthrough
Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu granted the Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan a face-saver for ending their three-year rift out of willingness to crown US President Barack Obama’s three-day visit with an impressive diplomatic breakthrough. He swallowed Israel and its army’s pride and, at the airport, with Obama looking on, picked up the phone to Erdogan and apologized for the killing by Israeli soldiers of nine Turkish pro-Palestinian activists in 2010 aboard the Mavi Marmara, which was leading a flotilla bound on busting the Israeli blockade of the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip.
The crowing comment by Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu - “Turkey’s basic demands have been met; we got what we wanted” – was out of place, spiteful and ill-mannered.
He knows perfectly well that for the past year, amid a constant stream of ranting abuse from Ankara, Israel has been quietly responding to Turkey’s desperate need for cooperation in four essential fields, which are disclosed here by debkafile:
1. The Turkish armed forces are heavily dependent on Israeli military technologies from the long years of the close alliance between the two countries, which Ankara cut short. This dependence applies most particularly to its drones, the backbone of today’s modern armies. It is also holding up the huge transaction for the sale of American Boeing Awacs electronic warning airplanes to Turkey.
Boeing was unable to deliver the aircraft without Jerusalem’s consent, because a key component, the early warning systems, is designed in Israel. This consent has been withheld in the face of Turkey’s urgent need and the US aviation firm’s impatience to consummate the deal.
Turkey is in need of those planes - not just to monitor events in neighboring wartorn Syria, but to complete its air defense lineup against Iranian ballistic missiles. Without the AWACs, the advanced FBX-radar system the US has stationed at the Turkish Kurecik air base is only partly operational. The Kurecik battery is linked to its equivalent at a US base in the Israeli Negev, a fact which Ankara chooses to conceal.
2. In view of the turmoil in Syria, the bulk of Turkey’s exports destined for the Persian Gulf and points farther east have been diverted to the Israeli ports of Haifa and Ashdod, whereas just a year ago, they went through Syria, Jordan and Saudi Arabia.
Since no end is seen to the Syrian conflict and the closure of the Turkish-Syrian border, more and more export traffic from Turkey is making its way through Haifa port and thence by rail across Israel to Jordan. Turkish goods bound for destinations in Europe and the US are diverted to Israeli ports too as Egyptian ports are made increasingly dysfunctional by that country’s economic crisis..
3. In the first year of the Syrian uprising, when Davutoglu was still a frequent traveler to Damascus for talks with Bashar Assad, Ankara entertained high hopes of becoming a major player for resolving the Syrian debacle. But he also sought to strike a deal with the Lebanese Hizballah, Assad’s ally, for obstructing Israeli gas and oil exploration in the eastern Mediterranean
Three years on, Turkish leaders have woken up to the realization that they had better hurry up and jump aboard the US-backed Israeli energy bandwagon or else they will miss out on an outstanding and lucrative economic development, namely, the forthcoming opening up of a Mediterranean gas exporting route to Europe.
4. Turkey, Israel and Jordan are all in the same boat as targets for the approaching large-scale use of Syria’s chemical and biological weapons.
This topic was high on the agenda of President Obama’s talks with Jordan’s King Hussein Friday, March 21, in Amman, after he had explored the subject with Israel’s prime minister in Jerusalem.
Obama presented them with his plan to consolidate into a single US-led Turkish-Israeli-Jordan HQ the separate commands established six months ago in each of those countries to combat the use of unconventional weapons.
This unified command would stand ready to launch units of the four armies into coordinated land and air action inside Syria upon a signal from Washington.
The US president used his visits to Jerusalem and Amman to tie up the ends of this contingency plan with Netanyahu and Abdullah, while Secretary of State John Kerry got together with Erdogan in Ankara.
However, this four-way military effort to combat the Syrian chemical threat could not have taken off with Ankara and Jerusalem not on speaking terms.
This had been going on for three years, ever since Erdogan suspended military ties with Israel and downgraded diplomatic relations pending an Israeli apology for the Marmara incident, compensation for the victims and the lifting of its naval blockade on Gaza.
The Turkish prime minister insisted on the Israeli prime minister paying obeisance to Turkish national honor. And finally Netanyahu relented. But Israel stood its ground on the last condition; a UN probe had pronounced the Israeli blockade legal and legitimate although its raid on the Turkish ship was deemed “excessive.” So the blockade remains in place and, indeed, Friday, March 23, Israel’s new defense minister, Moshe Yaalon, tightened it by restricting the Gaza offshore areas open to Palestinian Mediterranean fishermen.
This was punishment for the four-rocket attack staged from Gaza on the Israeli town of Sderot Thursday, the second day of President Obama’s visit to Israel.
debkafile’s military sources comment that the new defense minister may have also been directing a reproach at the prime minister for apologizing to Turkey and admitting to “operational errors,” thereby casting aspersions on the professionalism of the Israel Navy’s Shayetet 13 commando unit and its legitimate action in defense of Israel’s legal Gaza blockade.
Debka file posted a picture of ANKA as a sign of Turkey's military dependence on Israel.
Turkey badly needed to end row with Israel. Netanyahu
Turkey badly needed to end row with Israel. Netanyahu’s apology gave Obama a diplomatic breakthrough
Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu granted the Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan a face-saver for ending their three-year rift out of willingness to crown US President Barack Obama’s three-day visit with an impressive diplomatic breakthrough. He swallowed Israel and its army’s pride and, at the airport, with Obama looking on, picked up the phone to Erdogan and apologized for the killing by Israeli soldiers of nine Turkish pro-Palestinian activists in 2010 aboard the Mavi Marmara, which was leading a flotilla bound on busting the Israeli blockade of the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip.
The crowing comment by Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu - “Turkey’s basic demands have been met; we got what we wanted” – was out of place, spiteful and ill-mannered.
He knows perfectly well that for the past year, amid a constant stream of ranting abuse from Ankara, Israel has been quietly responding to Turkey’s desperate need for cooperation in four essential fields, which are disclosed here by debkafile:
1. The Turkish armed forces are heavily dependent on Israeli military technologies from the long years of the close alliance between the two countries, which Ankara cut short. This dependence applies most particularly to its drones, the backbone of today’s modern armies. It is also holding up the huge transaction for the sale of American Boeing Awacs electronic warning airplanes to Turkey.
Boeing was unable to deliver the aircraft without Jerusalem’s consent, because a key component, the early warning systems, is designed in Israel. This consent has been withheld in the face of Turkey’s urgent need and the US aviation firm’s impatience to consummate the deal.
Turkey is in need of those planes - not just to monitor events in neighboring wartorn Syria, but to complete its air defense lineup against Iranian ballistic missiles. Without the AWACs, the advanced FBX-radar system the US has stationed at the Turkish Kurecik air base is only partly operational. The Kurecik battery is linked to its equivalent at a US base in the Israeli Negev, a fact which Ankara chooses to conceal.
2. In view of the turmoil in Syria, the bulk of Turkey’s exports destined for the Persian Gulf and points farther east have been diverted to the Israeli ports of Haifa and Ashdod, whereas just a year ago, they went through Syria, Jordan and Saudi Arabia.
Since no end is seen to the Syrian conflict and the closure of the Turkish-Syrian border, more and more export traffic from Turkey is making its way through Haifa port and thence by rail across Israel to Jordan. Turkish goods bound for destinations in Europe and the US are diverted to Israeli ports too as Egyptian ports are made increasingly dysfunctional by that country’s economic crisis..
3. In the first year of the Syrian uprising, when Davutoglu was still a frequent traveler to Damascus for talks with Bashar Assad, Ankara entertained high hopes of becoming a major player for resolving the Syrian debacle. But he also sought to strike a deal with the Lebanese Hizballah, Assad’s ally, for obstructing Israeli gas and oil exploration in the eastern Mediterranean
Three years on, Turkish leaders have woken up to the realization that they had better hurry up and jump aboard the US-backed Israeli energy bandwagon or else they will miss out on an outstanding and lucrative economic development, namely, the forthcoming opening up of a Mediterranean gas exporting route to Europe.
4. Turkey, Israel and Jordan are all in the same boat as targets for the approaching large-scale use of Syria’s chemical and biological weapons.
This topic was high on the agenda of President Obama’s talks with Jordan’s King Hussein Friday, March 21, in Amman, after he had explored the subject with Israel’s prime minister in Jerusalem.
Obama presented them with his plan to consolidate into a single US-led Turkish-Israeli-Jordan HQ the separate commands established six months ago in each of those countries to combat the use of unconventional weapons.
This unified command would stand ready to launch units of the four armies into coordinated land and air action inside Syria upon a signal from Washington.
The US president used his visits to Jerusalem and Amman to tie up the ends of this contingency plan with Netanyahu and Abdullah, while Secretary of State John Kerry got together with Erdogan in Ankara.
However, this four-way military effort to combat the Syrian chemical threat could not have taken off with Ankara and Jerusalem not on speaking terms.
This had been going on for three years, ever since Erdogan suspended military ties with Israel and downgraded diplomatic relations pending an Israeli apology for the Marmara incident, compensation for the victims and the lifting of its naval blockade on Gaza.
The Turkish prime minister insisted on the Israeli prime minister paying obeisance to Turkish national honor. And finally Netanyahu relented. But Israel stood its ground on the last condition; a UN probe had pronounced the Israeli blockade legal and legitimate although its raid on the Turkish ship was deemed “excessive.” So the blockade remains in place and, indeed, Friday, March 23, Israel’s new defense minister, Moshe Yaalon, tightened it by restricting the Gaza offshore areas open to Palestinian Mediterranean fishermen.
This was punishment for the four-rocket attack staged from Gaza on the Israeli town of Sderot Thursday, the second day of President Obama’s visit to Israel.
debkafile’s military sources comment that the new defense minister may have also been directing a reproach at the prime minister for apologizing to Turkey and admitting to “operational errors,” thereby casting aspersions on the professionalism of the Israel Navy’s Shayetet 13 commando unit and its legitimate action in defense of Israel’s legal Gaza blockade.
Debka file posted a picture of ANKA as a sign of Turkey's military dependence on Israel.
Uzman ,soruma Cevap ver ,laf sokma.
@Armstrong Close the Thread pls ,DENO can re-opened if he want.
@tyrant
Israel was the One who delivers incomplete and defective Heron Drone´s that is now actually Upgraded by TAI for Turkish Airforce requirements.
Turkey was never want a Cancel with the Military Cooperation with Israel.
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...If we have wisdom to make the best use of the advantages with which we are now favored, we cannot fail, under the just administration of a good government, to become a great and happy people.
The citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policya policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship.
It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights, for, happily, the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.
It would be inconsistent with the frankness of my character not to avow that I am pleased with your favorable opinion of my administration and fervent wishes for my felicity.
May the children of the stock of Abraham who dwell in this land continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other inhabitantswhile every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree and there shall be none to make him afraid.
May the father of all mercies scatter light, and not darkness, upon our paths, and make us all in our several vocations useful here, and in His own due time and way everlastingly happy.
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As this ''discussion'' started because of a misunderstanding of a joke, I only gave warning/infraction to posts with insults. Please stay on topic and have fun.
Btw, it was pretty funny to see how a misunderstood joke can cause an argument worth of 83 posts...
Btw, it was pretty funny to see how a misunderstood joke can cause an argument worth of 83 posts...
As this ''discussion'' started because of a misunderstanding of a joke, I only gave warning/infraction to posts with insults. Please stay on topic and have fun.
Btw, it was pretty funny to see how a misunderstood joke can cause an argument worth of 83 posts...
Yokluğunda neler olmadi neler
Icine mi Doğdu artik ,geldin bi el attin.
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Important is what you think and not others.
If we look at what others think,we would be sheep.
BBC News - Israel PM apologies for Gaza flotilla deaths
On here it says it was "done last minute, when air force one was about to set off" meaning Obama the lazy sleaze pursuaded the zionists to apologise its nothing big saying "sorry" sorry doesnt do anything does it. They done this in the hope that Turkey might help Israhell if it decides to invade Iran.
Compensation nor sorry brings back dead people - not even $100 million!
Netanyahu or whatever his ugly face is literally trying to buy the Turks now. Desperate git.
Look at netyanhu in the pic he looks like a crafty devil just like all of his predecessors especially Sharone.
No way israhell is going to lift the blockade and hope Turkey doesn ar$e lick them and talk to them.
Turkey needs Iran than israhell just like Turkmenistan and Pakistan. Iran is helping them what does israhell do? Tie you up like a bull and fire at you...
On here it says it was "done last minute, when air force one was about to set off" meaning Obama the lazy sleaze pursuaded the zionists to apologise its nothing big saying "sorry" sorry doesnt do anything does it. They done this in the hope that Turkey might help Israhell if it decides to invade Iran.
Compensation nor sorry brings back dead people - not even $100 million!
Netanyahu or whatever his ugly face is literally trying to buy the Turks now. Desperate git.
Look at netyanhu in the pic he looks like a crafty devil just like all of his predecessors especially Sharone.
No way israhell is going to lift the blockade and hope Turkey doesn ar$e lick them and talk to them.
Turkey needs Iran than israhell just like Turkmenistan and Pakistan. Iran is helping them what does israhell do? Tie you up like a bull and fire at you...
You sound desperate or a underrcover zionist - took their time? What 3 years?! I done a lot in 3 years, what have you done? Issuing a formal apology on national tv is not difficult and saying we will recomense the injured parties. Yet the israhellies won - they stopped the aid getting to Gaza and killed people. Turkey hasn't won jacksh!t if you ask me...
Like I say money doesnt bring the dead back. Get all the money in the world, every dollar pound pence rupee riyal and pray to God saying give us 1 dead back - and I can bet you my life you wont get 1 single dead back! Money is worthless very likely some of the families will not want it. They are the people on my wavelength - the correct wavelength!
You will get "cheap" gas if you are willing to attack Iran yes. Alternatively side with your Muslim brothers in Iran and they will help you the gas issue. They are willing too.
They did this to get you on side because they are losing stronghold. Only last week Pakistan went on the Iranian bench as did Turkmenistan.
Now Obama pumped Netyanhu up saying "look you arent as crafty as you look, just say Israel apologises for the deaths on the flotilla and Turkey will be on your side. IF you want to attack Iran, am too far, and your here on your own pal. We need some backup or we're going to get pounded. Pakistan has surprisingly told us to f off and sided with Iran, get what am saying you dope?"
This is why the call was made when air force one was about to fly off...
You people look at the narrow picture not the broader spectrum.
"what" is actually among the sane and stable users in this forum. I agree that he is very pro-NATO.
Turkey had to do a compromise for her benefits. Blockade of Gaza is not a Turkish interest.
Regarding Pakistan: Russia and China supported Iran and pressed Pakistan. Additionally, no country would provide Pakistan with cheap gas to get rice, except Iran. In the long run, Iran wants to reach India and China and do the real deal and get big chunks of cash; which is not unlikely.
There is no real plan to attack Iran. Don't fall for negotiation tactics.
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