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Turkish pilgrims come under attack in Syria, two wounded

BTW can we rule out the possibility of propaganda or third party involvement which want to be benefited by this ?

Assalam alaikum

Brother how long we gonna fool ourselves there r hundered of videos on utube where u can see soldeirs humiliating ordinary persons and making movie of it even if u don't understand arabic u will know it.

U have to understand the mentality of this regime they consider bashar as their God the say bashar 1st and God after that and they worship him, since turky is taking a strong and moral stand everything is possible from them

Is Syrias military as strong as Irans? i dont know alot about their military.

syrian military is not good for anything accept beating up unarmed civilians, i would like to remind u in the 90's when turky threatened how quickly they complied with their demands. in black september saga jordanian military gave them a good beating as i heard it from syrian soldiers

TARIQ
 
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This time they have crossed the line. I think they are testing our patients !!!
 
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Is Syrias military as strong as Irans? i dont know alot about their military.

Lets assume for the sake of comparison that the Syrian military is trained roughly as well as the Iranian, they still lack behind considerably.A rough estimate in terms of comparative power can be seen here.



Source:World Military Strength Comparison

Given that it is Turkey not Iran who might intervene well... Turkey has the 5th or 6th most powerful military in the world. So...
I'm not sure an intervention will be helpful to anyone at all but should it come to that, Turkey will probably not have much of a problem (at least not with defeating the regular military, what comes after that is uncertain..)


Some 20.000

That is not that many.. but this attack is only going to make a Turkish intervention more likely..
 
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I think before giving a decision for something with these kind of warmongering news, we have to be calm and think sceptical.

Question: Isn't it forbidden and not possible to travel from Turkey to Mecca by bus for pilgriming?

Answer : Yes it is forbidden and not possible for many years.

Something is suspicious about this news, bad smells are comming...
 
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Recep Tayyip Erdogan: Bashar Al Assad Must Step Down


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Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, front left, speaks with Mehmet Gormez, head of Turkey's Religious Affairs Directorate, after a meeting with African Muslim religious leaders in Istanbul, Turkey, Monday, Nov. 21. 2011. Erdogan urged Syrian President Bashar Assad to stop oppressing his people and go to elections. "You can only continue with tanks and guns to a certain point, the day will come when you will go," Erdogan said.


BEIRUT -- Turkey's prime minister said Tuesday that Syria's president must step down over the country's crackdown on dissent, ratcheting up the pressure on the increasingly isolated Bashar Assad.

Turkey's call came as Syrian activists reported that five people – including four children – were killed Tuesday.

"For the welfare of your own people and the region, just leave that seat," Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey said in a televised speech.

He reminded Assad of the bloody end of Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi and those of past dictators, including Adolf Hitler.

"If you want to see someone who has fought until death against his own people, just look at Nazi Germany, just look at Hitler, at Mussolini, at Nicolae Ceausescu in Romania," he said. "If you cannot draw any lessons from these, then look at the Libyan leader who was killed just 32 days ago."

World leaders are turning on Assad in quick succession. The military crackdown on an 8-month-old uprising against Assad's regime has killed nearly 4,000 people.

The Local Coordination Committees, a key activist network, and the British-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, said four children, between the ages of 10 and 15, were killed by gunshots fired at random from a military checkpoint near the town of Houla in the restive Homs province. A fifth person was killed by security forces in the district of Khaldieh, the groups said.

The LCC said Syrian forces backed by tanks and armored vehicles stormed the area of Houla and were besieging the district of Bayada in Homs, a hotbed of dissent against President Assad's regime.

Syria places severe restrictions on the work of journalists and bans most foreign journalists from the country, making confirmation of events on the ground difficult.


Erdogan's warning came the day after Syrian soldiers opened fire on at least two buses carrying Turkish citizens, witnesses and officials said, apparent retaliation for Turkey's criticism of Assad, whose military crackdown on an 8-month-old uprising against his rule has killed nearly 4,000 people.

"To protect travelers, espcially those returning from the hajj, is a country's honor," Erdogan said, referring to the annual Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca in Saudi Arabia.

Erdogan's call signals a definitive end to Turkey's once-close ties to the Assad regime. Turkey was an important trade partner for Syria, and Erdogan had cultivated a close friendship with Assad. But Turkish leaders have grown increasingly frustrated with Damascus over its refusal to halt the crackdown on the opposition protests.

As it emerges as a regional power, Turkey has taken a leading role in calling for changes in Syria.

Erdogan said last week that the world must urgently "hear the screams" from Syria and do something to stop the bloodshed.

Turkey has allowed Syrian refugees and military defectors to take refuge on its soil, and Syria's political opposition has used Turkey as a place to meet and organize.

Saudi Arabia, which has also criticized the crackdown, announced on Tuesday that one of its citizens, Hussein bin Bandar bin Khalaf al-Anzi, was killed in Homs while visiting relatives Monday. A government statement on the Saudi Press Agency demanded an explanation from Syria on the circumstances of his death and said the Saudi government regarded the incident with grave concern. It did not provide further details or say how he was killed.

Syria's state-run SANA news agency said security forces on Monday carried out a "qualitative" operation in the Bayada district of Homs in which they killed four terrorists and confiscated their weapons. It said a "top terrorist" nicknamed Bandar was among them.

It was not immediately clear if the man referred to by SANA was the Saudi man. But Syria's Al-Watan newspaper, which is close to the Syrian government, said a Saudi was among gunmen killed by security agents in Homs. The paper said the Saudi was of Syrian origin, dismissing media reports that he was killed while on a visit to family in Homs.

Relations between Syria and Saudi Arabia are already tense. Last week, angry pro-Assad protesters attacked the Saudi Embassy in Damascus after the Arab League suspended Syria's membership in the bloc over its failure to abide by an Arab peace plan to end the bloodshed.

Saudi Arabia withdrew its ambassador to Damascus in August over the brutal crackdown.

Assad's deepening isolation and the growing calls for his ouster are a severe blow to a family dynasty that has ruled Syria for four decades – and any change to the leadership could transform some of the most enduring alliances in the Middle East and beyond.

Syria's uprising has grown increasingly violent in recent months. Army defectors who sided with the revolt have grown bolder in recent weeks, fighting back against regime forces and even attacking military bases – raising fears of a civil war.


Fraser reported from Ankara, Turkey.

11/22/11 08:49 AM

Recep Tayyip Erdogan: Bashar Al Assad Must Step Down
 
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if they did this then they made Turkey their enemy but before going to final conclusion this incident should be investigated properly by Turkey .. may be someone want a War between Turkey and Syria you know what i mean

You are right, i think your third party option is much more realistic...
 
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