Turkish Peace Operations in Syria (Operation Olive Branch) Updates & Discussions

[Friendly]

ISIS doesn't care about al-Bab, nor does it care about Raqqa or Mosul either. ISIS doesn't mind losing all the territory it has managed to capture since 2014. The ISIS leaders and followers believe that they can always go into hiding and reemerge at a later date

Are you sure ? Where they will hide later ? In Berlin, Paris, London, Istambul or in Arab countries ?

So we need a vehicle that is small, provides some armor protection and is capable of providing fire support.

Aqeel and if necessary Al-Bab must be leveled to ground. You are in the most critic scene, all in or all out.

If not you will loose control over Turkish boarders.

 

[kartal1]

They will always take out our tanks because the terrain is flat and they can fire atleast 5000 meters away, you can't even see an AT crew from 5000 meters. Supporting infantry can't reach out to 5000 meters anyway and neither can an IFV.

We face an issue with being able to assault the city as we can not knock out their exterior defenses because we can't bring in heavy direct fire weapons (tanks) because they keep getting blown up. They are too big and easy to hit. If you ever stand next to an M-60 you will know what I am talking about. Technically in this war the thick armor of our tanks is not needed (its worthless anyways) all that is need is the main gun. Even the main gun is too big for what we need, all you need is a gun around 70mm of caliber, after all the main reason for tanks having big guns is to take out other tanks, here all we have to do is take out pickup trucks and rooms in an apartment building thus a big gun 105mm + is not needed. So we need a vehicle that is small, provides some armor protection and is capable of providing fire support.

With ACAR you can see alot of things but.... and the terrain is perfect for it

Aerial warfare is useless without effective ground commitments. Just look at how badly the Saudis are faring against the Houthis. Plus, aerial warfare leads to a lot of collateral damage, which will make guerrilla groups gain more sympathy and support among the locals.

Of course for aerial warfare you need a good intelligence and surveillance but dont think for it only imaging jets dropping big bombs killing and destroying everything around. There are more precise ways like attack helicopters. They have armament that can provide fire support, they have guided rockets/missiles that can destroy the target without blowing up the whole building or the other 2 buildings around it so there are ways.

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

Someone around here asked why Turkey hasn't been as effective against ISIS as it had supposedly been against the PKK. Well, first and foremost, I don't think it's fair to compare Turkey's military intervention in Syria with its counterinsurgency operations against the PKK on its own soil. For one thing, the geography is extremely different. The Turkish military is extremely familiar with the geography of southeastern Turkey, despite the rugged terrain and harsh environment. By contrast, Turkey isn't familiar with Syria's geography. Turkey still has a lot to learn in Syria.

Secondly, the PKK groups that have been fighting against the Turkish military since 2015 are primarily newly-formed, inexperienced groups that don't have a lot of game-changing weapons in their possession. ISIS, on the other hand, is very experienced. ISIS has been waging an insurgency against Iraq for more than ten bloody years. Furthermore, ISIS has a lot of anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles at its disposal.

Lastly, ISIS has more followers than the new PKK groups. According to the International Crisis Group, the renewed conflict between the PKK and Turkey has led to the loss of 1,021 PKK fighters and 871 Turkish security personnel. It's obvious that the renewed war between the PKK and Turkey has been blown out of proportion by the media.

ISIS, on the other hand, has tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of fighters. Not all of them are active fighters. In fact, a lot of them are deliberately blending in with civilian populations right now. That's the scary thing about ISIS, in my opinion. These Salafi-jihadist terrorist groups cannot be defeated by military power alone. They must also be defeated through education and social reforms. The Middle East needs a new wave of secularization to combat the rise of religious extremism, otherwise groups like ISIS will simply morph into deadlier and stronger terrorist groups in the coming years.

 

[OguzSenturk]

you can't even see an AT crew from 5000 meters on land.

That is why i said "constant air cover". You cannot see them on land, you can see them in the sky.

Aerial warfare is useless without effective ground commitments.

Where did i say "remove our land forces from the area"? Just keep them, and put there constant air cover.

Just look at how badly the Saudis are faring against the Houthis.

Saudis are doing same thing as we do. They don't constantly use helicopters. They just mass their armor and bomb terror targets in cities/towns with fighter jets, like we do in Al-Bab. They (and we) dont have constant air cover.

 

[ULKU-1]

Someone around here asked why Turkey hasn't been as effective against ISIS as it had supposedly been against the PKK. Well, first and foremost, I don't think it's fair to compare Turkey's military intervention in Syria with its counterinsurgency operations against the PKK on its own soil. For one thing, the geography is extremely different. The Turkish military is extremely familiar with the geography of southeastern Turkey, despite the rugged terrain and harsh environment. By contrast, Turkey isn't familiar with Syria's geography. Turkey still has a lot to learn in Syria.

Secondly, the PKK groups that have been fighting against the Turkish military since 2015 are primarily newly-formed, inexperienced groups that don't have a lot of game-changing weapons in their possession. ISIS, on the other hand, is very experienced. ISIS has been waging an insurgency against Iraq for more than ten bloody years. Furthermore, ISIS has a lot of anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles at its disposal.

Lastly, ISIS has more followers than the new PKK groups. According to the International Crisis Group, the renewed conflict between the PKK and Turkey has led to the loss of 1,021 PKK fighters and 871 Turkish security personnel. It's obvious that the renewed war between the PKK and Turkey has been blown out of proportion by the media.

ISIS, on the other hand, has tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of fighters. Not all of them are active fighters. In fact, a lot of them are deliberately blending in with civilian populations right now. That's the scary thing about ISIS, in my opinion. These Salafi-jihadist terrorist groups cannot be defeated by military power alone. They must also be defeated through education and social reforms. The Middle East needs a new wave of secularization to combat the rise of religious extremism, otherwise groups like ISIS will simply morph into deadlier and stronger terrorist groups in the coming years.

I would like to add that defeating IS requires countering some GCC terrorist funders, especially Saudi and Qatari governments. Hopefully Trump will do that.

 

[Malik Alashter]

but this person isn't ready to give up. He makes me laugh to be honest.

Thats funny..

provides some armor protection and is capable of providing fire support.

You need many armed UAVs and helis. that fly high and use its atgms.

Thank you AKHI

You welcome.

Aerial warfare is useless without effective ground commitments. Just look at how badly the Saudis are faring against the Houthis. Plus, aerial warfare leads to a lot of collateral damage, which will make guerrilla groups gain more sympathy and support among the locals.

Saudis don't care about who dies they just want to kill destroy their intention is to break the Yemenese morales to stop and accept a truce.

Aqeel and if necessary Al-Bab must be leveled to ground. You are in the most critic scene, all in or all out.

If not you will loose control over Turkish boarders.

All you need is to leave now better than later a wound today better than losing an arm or leg.

 

[usernameless]

Turkey's best option right now is to get out of Syria as soon as possible.

People that make this remark are ignorant of the fact that terrorism will come to us even if we pretend there is no pkk/ypg terrorism next door anyway. Instead of waiting for the inevitable, Turkey did the right thing of bringing the fight to foreign soil. Did you think Turkey would sit idle while pkk (and the US, some EU and Israel) would link up Afrin with their eastern territories, only for them to claim Hatay (check SDF's flag, it includes Hatay. SDF is basically ypg/pkk with some small percent non-Kurds) and separate us from Syria and allow them to get a sea link? It's unfortunate that such an Euphrates Shield operation wasn't done much earlier when the ypg hadn't expanded much yet, now they got US support over a vast territory.

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

Not sure how true this is:

 

[Friendly]

All you need is to leave now better than later a wound today better than losing an arm or leg.

The warrior who feels first pain and is scared will loose. Better loose a leg than your life. Remember John Silver

 

[Blackwolf12]

Are you sure ? Where they will hide later ? In Berlin, Paris, London, Istambul or in Arab countries ?



Aqeel and if necessary Al-Bab must be leveled to ground. You are in the most critic scene, all in or all out.

If not you will loose control over Turkish boarders.

Leveling Al bab won't help in the long run. It will just Create more war and enemies of Turkey. Btw do you know how expensive that would be?

People that make this remark are ignorant of the fact that terrorism will come to us even if we pretend there is no pkk/ypg terrorism next door anyway. Instead of waiting for the inevitable, Turkey did the right thing of bringing the fight to foreign soil. Did you think Turkey would sit idle while pkk (and the US, some EU and Israel) would link up Afrin with their eastern territories, only for them to claim Hatay (check SDF's flag, it includes Hatay. SDF is basically ypg/pkk with some small percent non-Kurds) and separate us from Syria and allow them to get a sea link? It's unfortunate that such an Euphrates Shield operation wasn't done much earlier when the ypg hadn't expanded much yet, now they got US support over a vast territory.

Peace in the world, peace at home brother.

 

[Friendly]

Not sure how true this is:

True.

Some retarded people wanted pray in Damascus LOL

 

[OguzSenturk]

Not sure how true this is:

Made in Word software, and google pictures gives no result. %99 fake if not %100.

 

[Malik Alashter]

True.

Some retarded people wanted pray in Damascus LOL

Yes as visitors why not

Always reality differ than dreams thats why they call it dream.

 

[Friendly]

how expensive that would be

Ask your Gov. how expensive it was to take 5 Million refugees from 1990 till now ?
30 Billion USD ? Fight against PKK 200 Billion USD since 1984.
Count the value of your martyrs.

Sorry I won't agree . Die once but never wake up during a nightmare every day.

 

[Kuwaiti Girl]

People that make this remark are ignorant of the fact that terrorism will come to us even if we pretend there is no pkk/ypg terrorism next door anyway. Instead of waiting for the inevitable, Turkey did the right thing of bringing the fight to foreign soil. Did you think Turkey would sit idle while pkk (and the US, some EU and Israel) would link up Afrin with their eastern territories, only for them to claim Hatay (check SDF's flag, it includes Hatay. SDF is basically ypg/pkk with some small percent non-Kurds) and separate us from Syria and allow them to get a sea link? It's unfortunate that such an Euphrates Shield operation wasn't done much earlier when the ypg hadn't expanded much yet, now they got US support over a vast territory.

The map of Syria on the SDF's flag doesn't really mean anything, to be honest. Besides, this is the map that Syrian nationalists normally use, not Kurdish nationalists. I have no idea why the YPG adopted it. Maybe they adopted it in order to please their Assyrian/Syriac allies. Don't forget that Syriac is an official language in Rojava.

By the way, Turkey isn't really worried about a Kurdish state in northern Syria. Erdogan doesn't mind if Barzani's men (i.e. the Peshmerga) take over Rojava.