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Turkish Peace Operations in Syria (Operation Olive Branch) Updates & Discussions

IS are just few peasant terrorists. They have some missiles and tanks that took from Iraqi and Syrian armies. Dabik would fall in next few days. Al-Bab will be harsh though
 
Same applies to our FSA or American supported YPG/SDF. ISIS steam-rolled all of them.

True that. The blitzkrieg that ISIS pulled would either have destroyed all remaining factions or forced them to join their cause, in bot scenarios effectivly hijacking the revolution in the same way Mullah Islamist hijacked the revolution in Iran. In all honestly even if they survived, the biggest of FSA groups are already Islamists/Jihadists/Salafists. Al-Nustra Front, Ahrar Al-Sham and Jund Al-Aqsa. I mean Al-Nusra and ISIS are pretty much identical in spectrum of islamic extremism. This revolution is more or less already hijacked and by that extention failed. I can see how Assad played this game nicely from the start, labelling them as radical islamists from the very beginning are bearing its fruits. This sucks as the real revolutionary secular factions are getting weaker and weaker.
 
Territories gained in 47 days (red line shows pre operation front):

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Turkish media are speculating that the Free Syrian Army militias cannot expel Islamic State from Dabik and al-Bab, so that mission will fall to Turkish infantry.

Opinions?

It all depends on if ISIS decides to stay put and defend it and fight a meaningless war, they did this in Ayn al Arap (Kobane) and in lesser form in Manbij but they didn't do it in Jarablus or in Tal Abyad, preferring infiltration attempts and using terrorist cells.

If they don't put up heavy defenses and continue to break and flee it will be relatively easy to take it but hard to hold, they will attack and the usual ping-pong games between villages will continue. We will definitely need soldiers to secure and hold the outer perimeters of the city.

If ISIS decides to stay put and fight it will be a major urban operation, to see how those go look at Israels operations in Gaza, US in Fallujah or even our own operations against PKK last year. However the situation and area are vastly different and thus each scenario has different rules.

During our urban operations we closed up as much as possible, got the civilians out and did an old school sweep&clear mission simply going block by block. Will we have the luxury of doing the same in Al Bab? What are our guys going to do when IS sends through a svbied from the next street?

We did not use our airforce or helicopters preferring use of mostly tanks and maybe some arty. Now this is Syria however ISIS will use civilians as shield, what happens if all of their local HQs are filled with civilians? Are you gonna blow them up?

Then there is the issue of preparation in terms of IEDs and AP/AT mines (some of our tanks were almost hit by ieds in s.east and probably took damage from at rifle/rpgs) as well as general anti-vehicle weapons (rpg/atgm/anti material rifle) etc. Are we gonna use our ACVs with FSA as infantry during an urban operation?

Then there is the issue of perimeter security and infiltration attempts from outside the city. Imagine IS cell sneaking up on TSK position and using ATGM/SVBIED. This is how we lost one soldier last week where we saw some heavier fighting than usual.

Most infil/exfil in our urban ops happened with tunnels, surprise those are also going to be present and in much larger scale in Al Bab. Our urban ops happened in area's that were very close to the countryside ('kirsal') and thus it was easy for groups of militants to move in but also to be intercepted, POH/JOH on the inside for CQB, JOH/Army commando's on the outside. Will the countryside of Al Bab allow such a siege strategy?

Then there is the issue of firepower, as you know we really love artillery :), Will we bring in various forms of artillery and siege the area's? This also means complete destruction of Al Bab.

If there is a fight for Al Bab it will be the complete opposite of how Jarablus went (melt away in countryside, attack with cells and svbieds/atgms in smaller units, non-conventional army style).

I really really hope that IS acts like it wants to fight and then just beats it so we can take over easy, even though that means dealing with hidden IS cells...
 
Same applies to our FSA or American supported YPG/SDF. ISIS steam-rolled all of them.

well, not exactly. in 2014 rebels pushed ISIS out of 3 provinces w/o airsupport. ISIS is cleansed then from Latakia, Idlib and Hama. Also they were stommped in Damascus suburb of Eastern Ghouta, and much of the Aleppo province. But didnt finished the job, sadly. They let ISIS regruop, falsly thinking that they are pritty much finished. After few months ISIS counterattacked, suprised rebels and took over Raqqa and Deir ezzor province from rebels as making a comeback to northern Aleppo ( but still they didn manege to enter the city or Mare - Aziz in the north). And rebels all this time fight on 2 fronts; regime and its allies ( two airforces) and ISIS.

Its sorta a fricking miracle that they are very much in the game still.
 
PM Yıldırım: "We would do same thing in East of Euphrates river if it will be necessery."

http://www.haberturk.com/gundem/hab...dirim-firatin-dogusu-icin-de-geregini-yapariz
Insallah, we "will".

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Anybody remembers that 2 years old report?


"Turkey to support train-equip Syrian opposition

Turkey has agreed to support a train and equip program for moderate Syrian fighters as part of its commitment to the U.S.-led coalition against ISIL, according to the U.S.

The train and equip program aims at supporting moderate Syrian opposition in its fight against ISIL, fighting in Syria; and also the regime of President Bashar al-Assad.

Turkish Intelligence 'MIT' will have all authority to choose people and groups to train according to agreement to train Syrian opposition.''
 
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Yes.:)


I believe that Operation Dabiq has begun. :)


Dabiq: Why is Syrian town so important for IS?


The Syrian town of Dabiq, which Turkish-backed Syrian rebels are seeking to wrest back from so-called Islamic State (IS), has figured heavily in the jihadist group's propaganda since 2014 and is the name of its English-language magazine.

IS has focused on the dusty backwater not because of any strategic importance or the size of its population - the Syrian census of 2004 recorded that little over 3,000 people were living there - but because it holds great symbolic value.

Dabiq, which lies about 10km (6 miles) from the border with Turkey, features in Islamic apocalyptic prophecies as the site of an end-of-times showdown between Muslims and their "Roman" enemies.

The Prophet Muhammad is believed to have said that "the last hour will not come" until Muslims vanquished the Romans at "Dabiq or al-Amaq" - both in the Syria-Turkey border region - on their way to conquer Constantinople (modern-day Istanbul).

IS has been seeking to bring on that battle by goading its enemies to confront it there. And now the Turkish-led force is reportedly closing in.
Mohammed Emwazi - believed to have been the British militant who became known as "Jihadi John" after the killing of five Western hostages in 2014 - appeared in one IS video with Dabiq in the background and the severed head of American aid worker Abdul-Rahman Kassig, a former US Army Ranger, at his feet.

"Here we are, burying the first American Crusader in Dabiq, eagerly waiting for the remainder of your armies to arrive," he said.

IS has repeatedly dared the West to send ground troops to Syria. By filming the killing of Abdul-Rahman Kassig in Dabiq, the group appeared eager to be given an opportunity to fulfil the prophecy and bolster its legitimacy to a wider audience.

It appears that the militants were filmed on a hill on the northern edge of Dabiq, close to the location of an earlier IS propaganda video which featured three European jihadists all playing up the significance of the town.
One of them, a British IS member of Eritrean origin called Abu Abdullah, warned US-led coalition forces: "We are waiting for you in Dabiq."

Although the group has been exploiting this apocalyptic imagery aggressively since its 2014 land-grab in Iraq and Syria, references to the Dabiq prophecy have been used by IS and its precursors for far longer.

After the group announced its expansion from Iraq into Syria in 2013 - long before IS seized Dabiq from Syrian rebel fighters in August 2014 - the group's videos began to cite the prophecy routinely, suggesting that the town was in its sights.

Many of the films have been signed off with an image of an IS fighter walking slowly across a landscape carrying a large black banner accompanied by an audio clip from Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian militant who founded al-Qaeda in Iraq, that mentions Dabiq.

Al-Zarqawi, who was killed in a US air strike in Iraq in 2006, is heard to say: "The spark has been lit here in Iraq, and its heat will continue to intensify... until it burns the Crusader armies in Dabiq."

That quote dates back to September 2004 - a few days before Zarqawi's group captured a Briton and two American hostages who were later beheaded.

It has since been used extensively in Dabiq magazine, whose launch two years ago signalled a clear intention to use the apocalyptic imagery to reach out to an international audience.
One aspect of life in Dabiq that has not been addressed by the group has been the apparent destruction of the tomb of one of the early caliphs of Islam - Suleiman Bin Abd al-Malik - who was buried in the town in the 8th Century.

Footage on YouTube, uploaded several days before the town fell to IS, appeared to show damage to the shrine said to have been caused by an explosion.

The person who uploaded it blamed the incident on IS or its supporters, which has a track record of demolishing shrines which it considers un-Islamic.

BBC Monitoring reports and analyses news from TV, radio, web and print media around the world. You can follow BBC Monitoring on Twitter and Facebook.

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Out of curiosity how come Kurdish force are not attacked? Thought Turkey want them out?
 

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