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Turkish Naval Programs

Would it be prudent to have a professional navy-guard company who offers protection to firms and their cargo vessals who're sailing the dangerous seas against pirates.

Aselsan has developed a cencept called AMICOS for this mission and Now a days, Engineers are busy to introduce it to Worldwide. The system is based on Yonca-Onuk MRTP-22 Kangal FAC's specialized with Aselsan AselFlir-300E/O, Stop 25/30mm Gun, 12.7mm STAMP, BORA Air Defence system, Aselsan EagleFire UMTAS/Helfire launchers and Alper LPI radars to perform this mission.

Here is a video...
 
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It would offer a chance to test the vessals in actual combat. I am thinking that the pirates probably have rocket launchers and the sort, what kind of equipment is there to counter such attacks.

I saw in discovery channel some military defense equipment developed by Israel to counter rocket launchers and the sort. An electronic search and destroy with a 360 degree capability. What technological capability does the ship have in that regard.

As far as I know, Vessels including warships do not have such a concept to counter the rockets such as RPG-7 fired by a prate. At sea, It is the main rule to keep the threats out of their effective ranges.

but It is Tanks/Armoured vehicles having such counter systems against rockets-missiles. It is called Active protection system. Turkey has also a Tank development program and It is planned to work with Diehl to develop it for Altay MBT's.
 
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really impressive ship. congratulation to turkish brother for this achievment.
 
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GENOA - The Turkish navy has in a relatively short period of time gone from being a collection of hand-me-down ships to a service that is able to make its presence felt in regional waters with advanced vessels from foreign suppliers and, increasingly, local shipyards.

The navy is neither the largest nor wealthiest of Turkey’s armed services. Nevertheless, by carefully managing resources and subjecting suppliers to extensive certification tests, it is undertaking an expansion program that will upgrade or replace most of its surface fleet in coming years with a range of ships. It also plans to procure amphibious landing and transport vessels that will enhance force-projection and relief efforts.

As part of the expansion, the navy seeks more independence from foreign suppliers and, eventually, autonomy when it comes to developing ships, weapons and sensors. Efforts are underway to increase the capabilities of local shipbuilders through cooperative programs with foreign shipyards that call for a lead ship to be built abroad and sister ships built locally under license.

Turkish shipyards are, as a result, working on increasingly complex designs. Turkey has a robust commercial shipbuilding industry, which supports almost 40 shipyards, supplies a large merchant fleet and sells many vessels abroad. Turkey’s undersecretariat for defense industries wants to qualify 3-5 shipyards for naval vessels, with contracts awarded competitively.

The frigate Gelibolu is a former Perry-class vessel from the U.S. Navy. Turkey has 10 of these patrol boats and wants to modernize some of them. Photo: U.S. NAVY



At stake in the buildup is Turkey’s regional position and economy. The country faces potential threats from many directions: A resurgent Russia that seeks to reestablish spheres of influence in the north; the muddle of Middle Eastern politics and conflicts to the south; an historic rivalry with Greece in the west; and an unpredictable Iran to the east. Ninety percent of Turkey’s trade moves by sea and the navy must guarantee the passage of commercial ships, monitor 8,300 km. (5,157 mi.) of coastline and protect islands it claims in the Aegean.

Turkey’s navy is a 55,000-man force with a number of vessel types. The core surface fleet is made up of 19 frigates. These include German Meko 200 ships and former U.S. Navy Perry- and Knox-class vessels. There are also six corvettes from the French navy. Littoral operations make use of 25 fast-attack missile boats and a dozen patrol boats. The mine warfare force has a number of vessels for inshore, coastal and blue-water operations, most obtained second-hand from the U.S., France and Germany. The amphibious force is small and uses old ships, as do auxiliary and support units. The submarine corps has 14 boats of German design.

The construction of new vessels nearly matches the modernization of ships in service, which relies on foreign and local technology. The service is standardizing weapon systems, sensors and electronics across the fleet.

The navy, however, is not willing to take risks in modernization. While it trusts local shipbuilders to meet long-term commitments (the program may last 20 years), it does not do so without extensively testing designs before committing to orders. In submarines, the navy expects to rely on foreign designs due to the technical hurdles associated with their construction. Nevertheless, there is a desire to develop a submarine combat system, heavy torpedo and sensors locally.

Preveze submarine is one of eight Type 209/1400 boats in service. The navy is negotiating with HDW for Type 214 boats. Photo: U.S. NAVY



In February, the navy awarded Lockheed Martin a contract to upgrade four Perry-class and the first two Meko 200 IIA frigates. Requirements include installation of the Mk 41 vertical launching system (VLS), which will load Mk 25 quad-pack cells for Raytheon’s ESSM antiair/antimissile system, replacing the Standard SM-1 (supported by Raytheon) on the Perry. The Perry retrofit also involves a combat management system (CMS) based on the Genesis, developed by local manufacturer Havelsan with Raytheon (and initially aimed at the Knox frigates), which is to be installed on new Milgem corvettes. All Perry-class ships will have the Genesis CMS, though not all can receive the Mk 41. Two Knox-class frigates will be retired.

The navy is moving ahead with the ambitious TF-2000 antiair-warfare (AAW) frigate program (some experts say the vessels are really guided-missile destroyers), whose start has been postponed several times. The 6,000-plus-ton vessels, to be built by Golcuk Naval Shipyard, are a local effort with foreign partner assistance.

The timetable calls for completing the design by 2011, with a Batch I contract signed for two vessels in 2014, and commissioning in 2021 and 2022. Batch II, with three vessels, will proceed from 2023-28. Few details are known about weapons and sensors, but each ship will have 32 VLS cells, a Mk 41 launcher that fires Standard SM-2 and ESSM antiair missiles, two helicopters, a 127-mm. gun, antiship missiles and antisubmarine-warfare torpedoes.

The most important national program is the Milgem corvettes. The navy wants 12 ships (four on option), and in the process will replace six corvettes. The first-in-class ship, Heybeliada, was launched in September 2008 and will not be commissioned before 2011. The second, Buyukada, will undergo lengthy testing with a different weapon and sensor suite. There will be a gap between the first two corvettes and series production of an additional six and the option vessels. This is part of the navy’s “test before more buying” strategy. Each corvette displaces 2,000 tons, is 99 meters (325 ft.) long and capable of 30 kt. with a combined diesel and gas powerplant. Armaments include a 76-mm. Oto Melara gun, Boeing Harpoon antiship missiles, Raytheon Rolling Airframe Missile launcher, torpedoes and a helicopter.

Eight LCTs are among the amphibious craft planned. Photo: ADIK-FURTRANS CONCEPT



The navy’s fast-attack force relies on three Lurssen Kilic 57 boats from Germany and three Tufans (with three more planned), which are built in Turkey. There are also 10 Dogan Type 57 boats and eight former Jaguar boats, both from Germany, which have been rearmed with Penguin antiship missiles from Kongsberg Defense & Aerospace of Norway. Replacement of the Jaguars is underway following the acquisition of 16 patrol boats that will be delivered by local shipbuilder Dearsan starting in 2010. These 400-ton, 55-meter vessels will do 25 kt. The service is evaluating armament for the ships.

The submarine fleet has a version of the German Type-209 design. Six Atilay boats, Type 209/1200, which were to be refitted, will instead be replaced by six HDW Type 214s with air-independent propulsion systems, in a Ђ2.5-billion ($3.55-billion) program. The 214s will be built locally, with initial delivery expected in 2015, and others at a rate of one every two years. Eight of the more modern Type 209/1400s will stay in service and could be modernized.

Turkey wants to expand its amphibious capabilities by acquiring large transport and assault platforms to support a marine brigade, which relies on old, small LSTs (landing ship-tanks) and LCTs (landing craft-tanks). The service wants amphibious craft that also deliver relief supplies. The country is earthquake-prone, and the government has ordered the services to improve relief capabilities. The goal is to acquire one or two LPDs (landing platform-docks), two LSTs and eight LCTs. A contract has been awarded to local builder Adik-Furtrans for the LCTs, which will be 1,200 tons and 80 meters long, capable of 20 kt. and able to carry 320 tons of cargo. The competition for the LSTs is in its final phase, with Adik battling RMK to supply the 5,000-ton, 18-kt. vessels, which will have a 1,200-ton cargo capacity and helicopter deck. LPD plans are moving slower, since the 20,000-ton vessels could be too big for local military shipbuilders. There is a need for a foreign partner to supply design and technical assistance.

Turkey’s navy needs modern support ships for effective operations in blue water. Plans call for acquiring a 10,000-ton submarine rescue ship, with a contract award planned for 2012, one or two 2,500-3,000-ton rescue and towing ships, with a contract expected next year, two fleet-replenishing ships and a research vessel that will replace or add to current support ships.

Mine warfare is a specialty of the Turkish navy, but budget priorities have for years forced the service to rely on old or second-hand vessels. This approach was reversed with the decision to acquire five Alanya-class coastal minehunters, with the first-of-class built by Abeking & Rasmussen of Germany. The next four will be constructed in Turkey. Additional minehunters could replace older types in service.


NATO member Turkey said on Tuesday it will order six new U-214 class submarines from Germany's HDW (TKAG.F) in a deal worth around 2.5 billion euros ($4 billion) as part of an upgrade of its navy.

The contract was won by HDW/MFI, a joint venture between Thyssen Krupp's HDW unit and UK-based Marine Force International LLP, but the non-nuclear vessels will be built in the Golcuk Naval Shipyard in Turkey.

Defence Minister Vecdi Gonul told reporters the first of the submarines would be delivered in 2015.

The two other bidders for the contract were France's DCNS, which is 25-percent owned by defence electronics company Thales (TCFP.PA), and the Spanish government shipbuilder Navantia SA.

"The submarine purchase project will cost around 2.5 billion euros," Gonul said after a meeting of a defence industry committee.

The size of MFI's part of the deal was not immediately clear, although a large part of the deal was from HDW.

Gonul said Turkish industrial participation in the project would be worth around 80 percent of the total value of the deal. Around 20 of the systems and sub-systems of the U-214 will be produced by Turkish industry, he said.

A Turkish defence ministry official said around 15 percent of the project would be paid in advance.

Turkey has the second biggest army in NATO after the United States and is currently modernising its military. It is expected to place large procurement orders in coming years.
 
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Thank you Jigs and cabatli for all the info on our navy and defense industry developments (and I have been looking at these forums for many years) but one thing that keeps getting mentioned is the MRTP 40 & 70.

Are these official projects or just rumor of upcoming projects by Yonca?

Any info Jigs and cabalti_53 would be appreciated as I have utterly failed in searching the net for official news relating to these two ships.
 
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Thank you Jigs and cabatli for all the info on our navy and defense industry developments (and I have been looking at these forums for many years) but one thing that keeps getting mentioned is the MRTP 40 & 70.

Are these official projects or just rumor of upcoming projects by Yonca?

Any info Jigs and cabalti_53 would be appreciated as I have utterly failed in searching the net for official news relating to these two ships.

From what i have seen these are still in the works the MRTP 40 and 70(which is a joint work of Yonca and Onuk shipyards.) We have not gone indigenous in our FAC as of yet. While we have not issued a direct tender yet the developments of these private yards will probably play a role in our future FAC requirement.


Currently we are working on 16 New Type Patrol Boats to replace our aging fleet.


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These will replace our Turk Class AB patrol boats and also a number of outdated minelayers we have since converted to patrol boats.
 
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A new variant of 500 tonnes YTKB(bigger) boats are under development phase for Turkish coastguard. It is commenced officially with SSIK agreement in recent months...


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Milgem and YTKB patrol boat doing a show at the anniversary of the Naval Academy:

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Coast Guard S&R ship 701 being prepared for delivery, 702 launched:

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703 being built:

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The NTPB (P1200) I know quite well, I have ripped every video about it and the Milgem project from youtube :)

This stealth OPV (I would say it's more a dedicated corvette (only Turkey would downgrade their ships to make it look less threatening then it really is LOL :lol:)) should cause some serious trouble for any nation dumb enough to attack Turkey but we should not just replace our existing assets but increase the actual fleet size.

My dream is hundreds of these babies along with FAC's and corvettes defending our motherland while a small respectable blue water navy (with the flag being on a LHD) defending our international interests and allies.

Sigh: One can dream no? :smitten:
 
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Gotta admit that with the coating that makes these ships stealth (not counting the structure and other tech involved in making a warship stealth) they do not look very threatening at all.

Given the CG falls under naval command during war time the bigger versions would nicely complement fast assault/rapid response style missions.

Thank you for the posts Cabatli it always a pleasure to see such proof of Turkey's growing defense industry and it's strengthening position on the world stage, should also be an educational eye opener for our fellow countrymen and women who still think Turkey does not have a defense industry.
 
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The NTPB (P1200) I know quite well, I have ripped every video about it and the Milgem project from youtube :)

This stealth OPV (I would say it's more a dedicated corvette (only Turkey would downgrade their ships to make it look less threatening then it really is LOL :lol:)) should cause some serious trouble for any nation dumb enough to attack Turkey but we should not just replace our existing assets but increase the actual fleet size.

My dream is hundreds of these babies along with FAC's and corvettes defending our motherland while a small respectable blue water navy (with the flag being on a LHD) defending our international interests and allies.

Sigh: One can dream no? :smitten:

Well our navy has alot of outdated vessels that need replacing. That being said we are increasing our capability with the addition of LPD/LHD and also AAW frigate program(This will bring us inline with European navies such as Italy,France,Spain etc as many already have vessels like these in service). The Milgem is intended for ASW more then anything but the frigate version will further modernize our frigate force. It will replace our B-Class corvettes from France which are 33-36 years old at this point. The LPD/LHD will be the hardest program yet and will really show what capability turkey has in producing advanced surface ships. There is alot that goes into not only producing one but keeping it operational (lots of logistics work involved) It will be a new thing for our navy to learn too.

Our navy will reach many of their targets by 2020 along with our other branches.
 
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Back in 1998 just having 1 AC cost the U.S $1 million per day. So yeah they are expensive, and think of the crew that has to clean these ships!!!

Still I would think going for a pre built LHD would be better only then should we try and build our own but then again I am sure the MoD would have such concerns already answered by the team that is investigating the purchase/development of a LHD.

Would be even better if we could smack F-35 carrier versions on them instead of heli's.
 
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