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It is not a surprise that Italy deployed Aster batteries to Kahramanmaras. It can be tested under real circumstance.
EUROSAM promised TOT. As Oubliuos said, it could be an effective alternative vs SM3 on naval vessels.

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In Rome, a source said a debate on the Aster NT was still going on inside the Italian defense establishment, with no decision made yet.

The NT upgrade would allow the Aster 30 to hit enemy missiles with a range of 1,000 kilometers. The Block 1 model used by the French and Italian armies can intercept incoming missiles with a range of 600 kilometers, such as the Scud B.

Development of the Aster would be sensible, a senior analyst said, as there is a move toward extended air defense systems and Britain lacks an alternative product, other than to buy American.

The Aster NT would allow the current Aster Block 1 to hit ballistic missiles at a range of 1,000 kilometers, an extension of 400 kilometers from its current range.

The NT model first appeared as an intermediate step in MBDA’s 2008 Aster road map, which set out a plan, then estimated at 5 billion euros ($6.6 billion), to build the Block 2 model.

The Block 2 would be built beginning in 2020 and be able to intercept ballistic missiles at a range of 3,000 kilometers.

Missile defense will be one of the topics at NATO’s May summit in Chicago, when alliance members are expected to announce contributions to a ballistic missile defense system.

France and Italy will put in their current Aster batteries, known as Sol Air Moyen Porté/Terrestre (SAMP/T), as contributions in kind to NATO’s ballistic missile defense program.

“Europe has cards to play,” Bouvier said.

French and European announcements on NATO missile defense commitments would give a road map on product development, which would boost confidence of prospective export customers in Asia and the Middle East, he said.

“2012 is an essential year,” Bouvier said.

France’s other contribution in kind will be an early warning space satellite system based on the Spirale demonstrator, and Paris will also help fund the command-and-control system. The NATO missile defense system has been broadened to territorial coverage from its initial purpose of protecting troops in a combat theater.

The U.S. deployment of missiles in the NATO system is estimated to be worth tens of billions of dollars over 10 to 15 years, Bouvier estimated.

There is a concern European allies will buy American weapons off the shelf because of a lack of reciprocal purchase of European weapons, Bouvier said.

“Is there a balance in reciprocity? Today, I don’t think there is a balance on the subject,” he said. “We’re working on presenting European capabilities,” he said. The European capabilities included extended air defense based on the Aster, he said.

Other weapons being discussed with NATO under its smart defense system of pooling and sharing were the Brimstone precision air-ground weapon and Meteor long-range air superiority missile, Bouvier said.

If America wants Europe to have a more capable defense, this will not be achieved simply by buying U.S. products but through a balanced relationship with industrial and operational capabilities, Bouvier said.



The Aster 30 SAMP/T (sol-air moyenne portée terrestre or surface-to-air medium range / land) is a land-based air defence system effective against high-speed threats such as tactical ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, combat aircraft and UCAVs (unmanned combat air vehicles). The missile system has been developed by Eurosam, jointly owned by MBDA Missile Systems and Thales.

Aster 30 SAMP/T air defence system development
The French Ministry of Defence has placed orders for six SAMP/T systems for the French Army and six systems for the French Air Force. Eurosam has received an order for six SAMP/T systems for the Italian Army.

Full-scale development of the Aster 30 missile and the SAMP/T started in 1990, with production engineering and initial volume production in 1997. Qualification firing trials began in 1999.

The first qualification trial involving the whole system took place in July 2005. The successful trial included target acquisition and tracking by the Arabel radar and interception of a C-22 target at an altitude of 7,000m and range of 26km. A second successful test took place in December 2005. The third and final test took place in November 2006 and involved interception of the target at altitude 3,000m and range 11km.

SAMP/T began operational evaluation with the French and Italian armies in May 2008 with two successful test firings.

"The Aster 30 SAMP/T (sol-air moyenne portée) is a land-based air defence system."
Operational acceptance tests were concluded with the Italian Army and French Air Force in July 2008. In December 2008, a successful firing test took place, incorporating software changes suggested by the technical evaluation, prior to the delivery of the first serial production system to the French Air Force. SAMP/T systems in French service were operational by 2010.

The SAMP/T intercepted its first ballistic target at the DGA missile launch test centre (CELM) in Biscarosse in October 2010. The missile systems are now in series production and being offered for the export market.

MBDA is developing the ASTER block 2 missile for the SAMP/T launcher, which will have longer range and, with different trajectories, will be effective against future ballistic missile threats.

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SAMP/T surface-to-air missile battery
A typical SAMP/T battery includes a command and control vehicle, Arabel radar and up to six transporter erector launcher (TEL) vehicles, each with eight missiles and a store of reload missiles. The missile TEL vehicles are dispersed to launch sites located up to 10km from the Arabel radar.

The SAMP/T system uses MAGICS (modular architecture for graphics and image console systems) and MARA (modular architecture for real-time applications) computers.

The Arabel multi-function radar acquires and tracks the targets. The command system evaluates, prioritises and designates the targets. The data on primary and secondary targets is downloaded to the missile launchers and seeker and data link frequency channels are allocated.

The missile is launched and as it turns over in flight towards the target, the target's position and velocity data are transmitted via the uplink channel at one second intervals.

Arabel radar
The SAMP/T uses an upgraded version of the Arabel radar, with improved performance developed under the Aster 30 block 1 upgrade program, in order to extend the system's capability against higher speed targets and higher altitude targets. The SAMP/T system can intercept at 600km range (short range ballistic missile targets).

The Thales Arabel radar is a 3D phased array radar for surveillance, tracking and missile guidance. The rectangular, 4,000-element, phased array antenna rotates at one revolution a second. Arabel operates in the eight to 13GHz X band (I/J band) with 360° azimuthal and -5° to 90° elevation scanning.

The system can track up to 100 targets simultaneously and manage the uplink transmission of command update data to 16 missiles simultaneously. The standard Arabel radar operates at 150kW peak power and has a range of 100km.

The beam can be shaped to optimise the performance. The radar uses frequency agility and pulse compression ECCM (electronic counter-countermeasures) techniques.

"The successful Aster SAMP/T trial included target acquisition and tracking by the Arabel radar."
Land vehicle
For the French Army, the SAMP/T is mounted on a Renault 8x4 Kerax transporter erector launcher vehicle or a similar vehicle. Each vehicle is fitted with eight ready-to-fire missile containers and all eight missiles from a single launcher can be salvo-fired in under ten seconds.

The SAMP/T for the Italian Army will be mounted on Astra 8x8 transporter erector launcher trucks, each truck with eight missiles.

Aster 30 block 1 missiles
SAMP/T uses Aster 30 block 1 missiles which are equipped with a modified seeker, fuse, signal processing and a directional blast warhead where larger warhead fragments are directed towards the target.

The Aster 30 missile has a tandem first stage solid propellant booster motor which is jettisoned after launch and turn-over and before the mid-course phase. The first stage booster motor, developed by Fiat Avio, has length 2.3m, weight 340kg, burn time 3.5 seconds. It has two steerable nozzles to provide the missile with thrust vector control during the initial stage of flight.

After jettisoning the first stage booster motor, the second stage missile has a weight of 110kg, length of 2.6m and diameter of 18cm. The body of the missile carries four long rectangular wings and four blunt-tipped triangular control fins at the rear. The second stage missile is fitted with solid propellant sustainer motor. The sustainer motor efflux tube carries the uplink receiver and the fin actuators.

The missile uses inertial mid-course guidance, with guidance correction update data being transmitted from the ground-based fire control centre via the Arabel multifunction radar's uplink data channel. The Sagem Agyle inertial guidance unit is fitted with a Sistemi Inersiali inertial guidance reference system and a Sagem miniature laser gyroscope.

The missile uses 'pilotage en force' (PIF) fine-controlled side thrust exhaust for manoeuvrability in the final phase of flight just before intercept, to ensure that the missile is within 2m of the target when the warhead is detonated. The missile's PIF system comprises a solid propellant gas generator which exhausts through four lateral nozzles in the long rectangular wings at a point close to the missile's centre of gravity.

The missile does not role in the final phase of flight. The guidance control system commands the PIF system to exhaust through one or two nozzles generating a controlled sideways thrust pulling up to 60g acceleration.

The missile and the target approach each other on a reciprocal flight path. As the missile approaches the target in the terminal phase, the missile uses an active pulse Doppler radar seeker, a derivative of the AD4 seeker design which incorporates a high-power travelling wave tube transmitter and wide antenna deflection, to home in on the target.

"Aster 30 SAMP/T has the capability to intercept targets at altitudes from 50m to 20km."
The seeker is laid on the target using data transmitted via the ground to missile uplink. Once seeker lock-on has been conformed the missile operates autonomously. The modifications to the seeker include higher closing velocity capability, an adjustment to the duty cycle to increase the transmitted power, an additional high resolution range function, and modified target lock-on and tracking algorithms. The seeker has ECCM including home on jam and clutter suppression. The programmable J-band pulse Doppler AD4A radar seeker manufactured by Thales and Selex Sistemi Integrati, operates at 12GHz to 18GHz.

The missile, which weighs typically 100kg at target intercept, is fitted with a 15kg directional blast fragmentation warhead designed by Fiat Avio and MBDA. The warhead is fitted with a Ku-band proximity fuse, which generates a constant working pseudo random phase digital coded waveform. The warhead is loaded with two types of fragments, 4g and larger fragments, which are directed towards the target.

Performance
The maximum speed of Aster 30 is 1.4km/sec. Aster 30 has the capability to intercept targets at altitudes from 50m to 20km. Against aircraft targets flying at altitudes above 3km, the maximum range of the Aster 30 is 100km. At aircraft targets with altitudes below 3km, the range of Aster 30 is 50km.
 
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We can't produce something like SM-3...and it's not in our scope as of yet. We are looking to produce something equiavalent of Patriots, Aster.... not this.



hisar u zaten yolda hem ıır hem rf lisi bizim için en büyük mesele 30 km ve üzeri irtifadan gelen mrbm füzeyi karşılama ve bu karşılaşmada kafa kafaya olmasını istiyorlar ıska geçerse geri dönüşü yok çünkü ruslarda bunu bildiği için onlarda hit to hit kill füze çalışmalarına başladılar
 
hisar u zaten yolda hem ıır hem rf lisi bizim için en büyük mesele 30 km ve üzeri irtifadan gelen mrbm füzeyi karşılama ve bu karşılaşmada kafa kafaya olmasını istiyorlar ıska geçerse geri dönüşü yok çünkü ruslarda bunu bildiği için onlarda hit to hit kill füze çalışmalarına başladılar
English, please.

No Hisar-U is not on the road but we have long way to it.

Mate, making it short, there will be no turkish missile like Sm-3 and we don't need it. So lets stop fantasizing.
 
Representatives of Turkish SSM and TuAF visited last week France and Italy, analyzed SAMP/T.
Turkish authorities said that they agreed on full TOT and ready to ship batteries will soon located in Eastern and Southeastern Turkey. French-Italian experts will visit Ankara this week to finalize details.

The ready to ship systems will be kept in Turkey, until the new systems fulfilling Turkish demand ans specifications are finally produced.

- SAMP/T system, French Aster 30 Block 1 missiles effective against ballistic missiles - range up to 600 km..
- Aster missiles have a weight of 510 kg length of 4,2 m and a diameter of 180 mm. Asters have a two stage solid propellant rocket engine.
- SAMP/T missile launchers have 8 ready to launch missiles All missiles can be started within 10 seconds.
- It is known as a Medium Range Defense and has a multi function radar and can be integrated into existing early warning and combat management systems, cause its open architecture. The systems has proved his stop capabilities against SCUD type missiles family. @UkroTurk

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Variants
  • Aster 15 - Ship point and local area defence
  • Aster 30 Block 0 - Ship local and wide area defence
  • Aster 30 Block 1 - Ground-based wide area defence capable against 600 km-range ballistic missiles such as Scud-B[12]
  • Aster 30 Block 1NT (New Technology) - wide area defence capable against 1500 km-range ballistic missiles[13]
  • Aster 30 Block 2 - wide area defence capable against 3000 km-range ballistic missiles[12]
Block 1 is used in the Eurosam SAMP/T system operated by the French Air Force and the Italian Army.[14] As of 2014, the development of Block 1NT is being funded by France and Italy.[13] Block 2 would not be delivered until after 2020.[12]

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Full ToT, cocuk mu kandiriyorlar ahahah. Afedersiniz gotumuz sIkIsti ve kabul ettik:-). Cafrad entegre edilecek ve aster muadil birseyler yapacagiz, hayirli olsun arkadaslar ve sonunda sonlandiracagiz yilan hikaye yi....:victory:
 
Aster 30 block2 with 3000km range:))?? This is Search and track range?

Do you think what it is the real effective range? Or how long should be range?
 
Aster 30 block2 with 3000km range:))?? This is Search and track range?

Do you think what it is the real effective range? Or how long should be range?

It will be able to shotdown ballistic missiles with a range of up to 3000 km.
 
aster30 block2 has engagement MRBM at 200km altitude!! i m shocked:)
Aster is not bad.
Which block did they offer the Turkey?
If aster30 block 2, it would be great.

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What is the difference between Aster 30 Block 1 NT (New Technology) Missile and Aster 30 Block II Missile?

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There are two differences between the Aster 30 Block 1 NT and its predecessor in the Aster family of interceptor missiles, Aster 30 Block 2. The Block 1 NT is capable of intercepting 1000 km range ballistic missiles and is being developed and delivered today. The Aster 30 Block 2 can intercept 3000 km range ballistic missiles, but is not slated for delivery till 2020.
 
English, please.

No Hisar-U is not on the road but we have long way to it.

Mate, making it short, there will be no turkish missile like Sm-3 and we don't need it. So lets stop fantasizing.

I will not make polemic with you , ı have 2-3 such a good friends they are telling me all projects before 2 years ago and they are always right...
 
“I firmly believe that our leaders will agree with the military’s assessment — at times like this"
That mean Aster 30- ready available to deploy. Then Aster MK2 and NG
 
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