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Turkish heavy class attack helicopter (10t) will be most capable one in Middle East and Europe

Still building regular helicopters? The U.S. is already developing a whole family of tilt rotor aircraft to replace their AH-64, Black Hawk, Chinook by 2030. You're saying your helicopter Is going to be in service for 10 years as regular helicopters are becoming obsolete in comparison to tilt rotors which can offer performance near that of the C-130. You guys really need think about starting work right now on Tilt rotor aircraft because it is a necessity for the future.

Tiltrotor attack helicopters are just in concept and technology demonstration phase. they are mostly designed for troop transport missions but facing many technical and engineering difficulties, but Boeing/Skorsky collaboration revealed a concept to introduce attack helicopter variant which bases same tiltrotor tech but It is not known whether They will continue to develop tiltrotors. There are just 2-3 heavy class conventional attack helicopter which is in same class with Turkey’s heavy attack helicopter program at present and Muslim countries will be glad to see very strong candidates (3t, 6t, 12t utility and 6t, 10t attack helicopters) to Western helicopters in competition.

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Still building regular helicopters? The U.S. is already developing a whole family of tilt rotor aircraft to replace their AH-64, Black Hawk, Chinook by 2030. You're saying your helicopter Is going to be in service for 10 years as regular helicopters are becoming obsolete in comparison to tilt rotors which can offer performance near that of the C-130. You guys really need think about starting work right now on Tilt rotor aircraft because it is a necessity for the future.
Turkey will develop tiltrotor technology
 
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Still building regular helicopters? The U.S. is already developing a whole family of tilt rotor aircraft to replace their AH-64, Black Hawk, Chinook by 2030. You're saying your helicopter Is going to be in service for 10 years as regular helicopters are becoming obsolete in comparison to tilt rotors which can offer performance near that of the C-130. You guys really need think about starting work right now on Tilt rotor aircraft because it is a necessity for the future.


We have a good proverb for people like you, 'hizli kosan atin boku seyrek duser'. You have not mastered the basic and you want to go to next generation?
 
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We have a good proverb for people like you, 'hizli kosan atin boku seyrek duser'. You have not mastered the basic and you want to go to next generation?
Turkey should start working on it right away unless they want to stay behind. Helicopters are reaching their end life pretty soon and Tilt rotors like the V-22 will dominate the civilian and military market.

Tiltrotor attack helicopters are just in concept and technology demonstration phase. As far as I know, they are mostly designed for utility helicopters, but Boeing/Skorsky collaboration revealed a concept to introduce attack helicopter variant which bases same tiltrotor tech. Europe is working on utility helicopters with same technology right now. In this circumstance, Developing them/Inducting into armed forces/Proving their efficiency/Reaching export markets will take maybe 30 years from now. Until this time, The conventional attack helicopters are going to be developed to dominate markets and There are just 2-3 heavy class attack helicopter which is in same class with Turkey’s heavy attack helicopter program and Muslim countries will be glad to see very strong candidates (3t, 6t, 12t utility and 6t, 10t attack helicopters) to Western helicopters in competition.

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Have you not heard of the V-22? I see these things flying over my school on the regular.
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The thing is Turkey will take a long, long time to develop them with no experience on the matter which the U.S. companies already have. I would say by maybe 2040 Turkey will make something like this but will overall still be behind.

And as I said before the AH-64 will be retired by early 2030 which leaves a limited amount of sales in a 8-9 year span since all the rich customers will want tilt rotor attack aircraft which seem like a good idea given their improved overall performance.


From Arab countries I would simply like to see a foreign designed but indigenously produced aircraft like the AH-6 from Calidus which makes the B-250 Bader attack aircraft which is designed by the same designer of the Super Tucano.

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The company is making leaps with a South-African designed but indigenously produced IFV called the Wahash.
Calidus’ WAHASH is a new generation, state-of-the-art multi-role 8×8 platform – developed to push the boundaries of mobility and protection both for land operations and amphibious capability. The WAHASH vehicle system is designed to operate under extreme weather, terrain and climatic conditions to enable mounted forces to complete their missions. Superior design elements allow for excellent payload capacity and protection allowances, whilst offering the full spectrum of world class systems, appropriate for various roles of the platform such as an Infantry Fighting Vehicle (IFV), Armoured Personnel Carrier (APC) or other applications as required by end users.

Integrated with a modern, digital Generic Vehicle Architecture (GVA), the addition of C4ISR systems are seamless. The WAHASH is designed to host large calibre weapon systems, including the BMP-3 and numerous remote-controlled weapon stations. A driver, Commander, Gunner and 8 dismounts can be transported.
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Soon like? Presidency of Defense Industries must know the market and it's future better, I guess.

That's only your claim.
Think about it, in 20-30 years will most militaries except the poor ones be using regular helicopters? No they won't as Tiltrotor aircraft offer better performance at a more expensive price and will surely be bought by Europe, the Gulf countries, China(and Richer Asian countries) , and also rich African countries.
 
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Think about it, in 20-30 years will most militaries except the poor ones be using regular helicopters? No they won't as Tiltrotor aircraft offer better performance at a more expensive price and will surely be bought by Europe, the Gulf countries, China(and Richer Asian countries) , and also rich African countries.
I gave you a link that says, "Tiltrotor aircraft project was seen in the presentation of SSB as an target for the Turkish Defence Industry."
You guys really need think about starting work right now on Tilt rotor aircraft
So, what's your point now?
 
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I gave you a link that says, "Tiltrotor aircraft project was seen in the presentation of SSB as an target for the Turkish Defence Industry."
So, what's your point now?
My point is if you went to get ahead you have to start early. As the saying to goes "The early bird gets the worm"
 
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Have you not heard of the V-22? I see these things flying over my school on the regular.

Tilt rotors like the V-22 will dominate the civilian and military market.

Yes, I heart them but what I am talking is actually about tiltrotor attack helicopters in my post. US is the first one who come up with first tiltrotor technology. They have been working on this type crafts since 50 years but They are keeping to purchase conventional helicopters in same class even today. If Tiltrotor technology was such a promising without engineering problems of its nature, They would have dominated the markets until today but they couldn’t do yet. In this aspect, What makes tiltrotor tech prevent to dominate the market? Yes, Lets commence the journey!

They are difficult to develop and costly to operate. Training to pilots takes more time and their maintenance are costly as their cost per aircraft (67 million$ per V22). Their cost for per flight hours are higher than the costs of a B1B and F22.

Their twin rotor produces a lot of rotorwash (more than 80knt). Landing operation become a bungejumping advanture for troops. Their propeller rotors (proprotor) are not good at hovering compared to conventional helicopters. At the same time, They are not good at full speed performance compared to turboprop crafts. Although tiltrotors are supposed to combine the missions of both turboprop and conventional rotorcraft, Neither they can do the missions of a conventional helicopters properly, nor considered as being a capable turboprop crafts. An expensive craft which is developed to solve the disadvantages of conventional helicopters, can just perform a max speed around 550km/h, while Ah-1Z performing 410 km/h speed.

Despite the V22 having the power of a heavy lift helicopter, it cannot carry anywhere near as much payload. It has almost the same engine power as the CH-53E (13,140 shp vs 12,300 shp). But for comparison, the CH-53E can lift twice the payload (40,274 lbs vs 19,460 lbs) under the same conditions. Payload per shp wise, the CH-53E can lift 3.06 lbs per shp and the CH-47F can lift 2.68 lbs per shp, whereas the V-22 can only lift 1.58 lbs per shp.

The V-22 is a relatively poor two engine transport airplane. It has relative small wings and huge prop-rotors that create massive drag, limiting its maximum payload, speed and range. As an STOL airplane, the Tiltrotor Osprey can lift a maximum 20,000 lbs payload over 426 miles. It’s nearest two engine military turboprop is the Alenia C-27J Spartan, which can lift 25,353 lbs over a range of 950 nmi using 25% less power (9.280 shp). The Osprey costs $87M each whereas the C-27J cost $40M each. The Spartan top speed is 325 kts vs 275 kts for the Osprey. Compared to a standard turboprop the Osprey has 1/2 the range, less payload and is left fuel efficient.


I believe you will understand now why Tiltrotor technology could not dominate the market compared to conventional helicopters. In foresible future, they can not dominate the market as long as the problems of tiltrotors causing from its nature wouldn’t be solved with expensive engineering solutions.

Think about it, in 20-30 years will most militaries except the poor ones be using regular helicopters? No they won't as Tiltrotor aircraft offer better performance

Be sure that Countries will keep using same rotor technology with additional engineering solutions to improve the speed. Tiltrotors promise huge costs and risks at operations. They have reached the limit of their physics. The future rotor concepts are being changed to meet the requirements of Armed Forces and Turkish industry with national transmission, rotor and turboshaft engine solutions will have a promising future to dominate the market with domestic solutions.

Skorsky concept for future!
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After ATAK 2 next step should be stealth attack helo

After ATAK-2 TAI should work on improvements and Sikorsky SB-1 or S-97 Raider like helos.

I understand stealth tech. on Aircrafts but Helos?
 
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After ATAK 2 next step should be stealth attack helo

Next step will be to develop a coaxial rotor technology and forward propulsor at the back of copter. Coaxial rotor will provide extra lift, while forward propulsor make heli reach around 2x higher speed than conventional helicopters. A heavy attack helicopter with more payload, increased maneuvrability and agility will be an overkill for enemy assets indeed.

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