Turkish football fans loudly boo their pre-match minute’s silence for Paris victims

[firestorm77]

doubt many are interested in understanding the true meaning of Islam or any other religion for that matter. Sure, it always actions of 'few people' that wreak havoc among innocents. Tell that to some dumb liberal yank. I live in Pakistan. I've seen how 'educated' people showered flowers on Mumtaz Qadri, I've seen rallies in Qadri's favor, I've seen allegations on Malala, I've seen killings among Shi'ites and Wahhabis, I've seen TTP apologists on National TV, I've seen both sects abusing Prophet's companions and Imams, I've seen people praising Bin Laden. Don't bullshit me.

Identifying a few Muslim fundamentalists, and citing your own small corner of the community, does not substantiate an assertion about what Muslims are in the most part otherwise you will be committing the fallacy of hasty generalization.

 

[T-123456]

My apologies.

But why is it becoming so difficult to apologise for those stupid animals?

Well,there is a history of Turkiye and Europe(Turks and Europeans),we Turks(most) were and are classified as second class citizens(not for the law) in Europe,when some one from another ethnicity did something wrong,it was always the Turk who did it,mostly in European countries where Turks belong to the bigger ethnic groups(Germany,the Netherlands,Belgium,Denmark to name a few).
There was and is also the feeling on state level that NATO and Europe doesnt realy care about Turkiye,the Cyprus issue is an example of this,Turks were slaughtered by the Greek-Cypriots but no-one cared,we did it on our own.
Now lets get to France,

France always supported the PKK(Kurdish terror group) and ASALA(Armenian terror group),be it in politics or military assistance(weapons),Many Turks were killed by both organisations.
Even now they are supporting our enemies,some openly and some ''under the table''.
Before,we knew but couldnt prove anything but now that we have become a ''strong'' country in both economy and military,we have a better intelligence apparatus,we can see what has been going on and how things work(this goes for the averege Turk).
This is why the Turk uses the words ''double standards'' and this also is why the Turk says,''where were the Turkish flags when we were attacked by terrorists?''
The Turk doesnt forget what has been done to him or his country.
Just a small part of whats going on in the Turkish mind,hope you understand it a bit.

 

[lonelyman]

No matter how you spin it, Turks support ISIS under table is a well known fact, all over internet. People are not stupid, just google turkey ISIS, for example

ISIS Sees Turkey as Its Ally
Links between Turkey and ISIS are now 'undeniable'

Instead of hitting on ISIS targets as promised by Erdogan, Turks went on bombing Kurds,who are the only ground force seriously fighting ISIS.

Just ask yourself, why 90% ISIS foreign fighters use Turkey to enter into ISIS territory, If you are serious about fighting terrorism, why not seal your border instead of allowing free passage in and out of ISIS territory; why not stopping buy their stolen oil at $5 a barrel? Instead your government smuggle terrorists from all over the world including those Uighur terrorists from China into ISIS.

Well,there is a history of Turkiye and Europe(Turks and Europeans),we Turks(most) were and are classified as second class citizens(not for the law) in Europe,when some one from another ethnicity did something wrong,it was always the Turk who did it,mostly in European countries where Turks belong to the bigger ethnic groups(Germany,the Netherlands,Belgium,Denmark to name a few).
There was and is also the feeling on state level that NATO and Europe doesnt realy care about Turkiye,the Cyprus issue is an example of this,Turks were slaughtered by the Greek-Cypriots but no-one cared,we did it on our own.
Now lets get to France,

France always supported the PKK(Kurdish terror group) and ASALA(Armenian terror group),be it in politics or military assistance(weapons),Many Turks were killed by both organisations.
Even now they are supporting our enemies,some openly and some ''under the table''.
Before,we knew but couldnt prove anything but now that we have become a ''strong'' country in both economy and military,we have a better intelligence apparatus,we can see what has been going on and how things work(this goes for the averege Turk).
This is why the Turk uses the words ''double standards'' and this also is why the Turk says,''where were the Turkish flags when we were attacked by terrorists?''
The Turk doesnt forget what has been done to him or his country.
Just a small part of whats going on in the Turkish mind,hope you understand it a bit.

Don't play the victim card, Europeans vs Turks, as a matter of fact. Nobody in your neighborhood likes you, not just Germans, French etc Europeans, Greeks, Russians, Balkans, Romanians, Persians, Kurds, Armenians, Arabs, we all know the reason.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Well,there is a history of Turkiye and Europe(Turks and Europeans),we Turks(most) were and are classified as second class citizens(not for the law) in Europe,when some one from another ethnicity did something wrong,it was always the Turk who did it,mostly in European countries where Turks belong to the bigger ethnic groups(Germany,the Netherlands,Belgium,Denmark to name a few).
There was and is also the feeling on state level that NATO and Europe doesnt realy care about Turkiye,the Cyprus issue is an example of this,Turks were slaughtered by the Greek-Cypriots but no-one cared,we did it on our own.
Now lets get to France,

France always supported the PKK(Kurdish terror group) and ASALA(Armenian terror group),be it in politics or military assistance(weapons),Many Turks were killed by both organisations.
Even now they are supporting our enemies,some openly and some ''under the table''.
Before,we knew but couldnt prove anything but now that we have become a ''strong'' country in both economy and military,we have a better intelligence apparatus,we can see what has been going on and how things work(this goes for the averege Turk).
This is why the Turk uses the words ''double standards'' and this also is why the Turk says,''where were the Turkish flags when we were attacked by terrorists?''
The Turk doesnt forget what has been done to him or his country.
Just a small part of whats going on in the Turkish mind,hope you understand it a bit.

A very interesting post.

Many thanks.

 

[Assange]

First of all, We are not conduct a war on Kurds but PKK.

First i need to educate you one factions.

PKK: A terrorist organization which is listed as a terrorist organization internationally by several states and organizations, including the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) and the European Union.
YPG: Extension of PKK in Syria. Has links with PKK. You can liken it like Al-Qaeda <> Al-Nusra
KRG: Kurdish Regional Government in Iraq. Which has excellent ties with Turkey. Their units trained by Turkey and still being trained by Turkey in Erbil. Their commander "Kahraman Kemal" said that 7. Peshmerga battalion liberated Sinjar from Daesh thanks to the their urban warfare training which has been received from TUrkish officers in Erbil.
Peşmerge Komutanı General Kahraman: Sokak Savaşını Türklerden Öğrendik

Now as we finished factions, let's look at the time line.

At 22 July 2015 PKK cowardly killed 2 police officers while they were sleeping in their homes.
Turkey immediately bombed PKK positions in Northern Iraq.
Şanlıurfa'da 2 polis şehit - Milliyet.com.tr

At 23 July 2015 Daesh terrorists opened fire to the patrolling elements of the Turkish Armed Forces near the border at Gaziantep/Oğuzeli. Special Forces directed to the area all 5 ISIS terrorists whom ambushed our soldiers have been killed. ISIS tried to bring reinforcements, Turkish army destroyed them as well with Tanks, IFVs, and Artillery. At night recon showed that remaning ISIS terrorists were trying to fortify positions near the Turkish border. So, F-16s bombed them to smitherens.

Şanlıurfa'da 2 polis şehit - Milliyet.com.tr

Thanks for educating me on this.....

Well you guys have really pounded on Kurds but why are you not doing the same on ISIS? just because they are Muslims?

You have to take history into your mind that Turkey is the country which was responsible for spreading Islam literally all over the world....Now ISIS is bringing really bad name to Islam and Turkey...So it is Turkey's responsibility to take care of ISIS don't you think????

 

[T-123456]

No matter how you spin it, Turks support ISIS under table is a well known fact, all over internet. People are not stupid, just google turkey ISIS, for example

ISIS Sees Turkey as Its Ally
Links between Turkey and ISIS are now 'undeniable'

Instead of hitting on ISIS targets as promised by Erdogan, Turks went on bombing Kurds,who are the only ground force seriously fighting ISIS.

Just ask yourself, why 90% ISIS foreign fighters use Turkey to enter into ISIS territory, If you are serious about fighting terrorism, why not seal your border instead of allowing free passage in and out of ISIS territory; why not stopping buy their stolen oil at $5 a barrel? Instead your government smuggle terrorists from all over the world including those Uighur terrorists from China into ISIS.

Don't play the victim card, Europeans vs Turks, as a matter of fact. Nobody in your neighborhood likes you, not just Germans, French etc Europeans, Greeks, Russians, Balkans, Romanians, Persians, Kurds, Armenians, Arabs, we all know the reason.

I guess,like many of your troll countrymen,you have problems comprehending what is written.
We unlike you are a proud people,we dont need to play the victim card,we do whats best for our country,again you accuse my country of supporting ISIS @WebMaster ,@Slav Defence ,@waz and others,do something about these trolls!

.Now ISIS is bringing really bad name to Islam and Turkey...So it is Turkey's responsibility to take care of ISIS don't you think????

Why should we,is it Turkiye that caused the rise of ISIS?
What would have happened if Obama kept his word regarding the ''Red lines'' crossed by Assad?
A no-fly zone,a safe-zone in Syria and defeat Assad on the ground with a coalition force?
Would there ever have been an ISIS?
Instead of telling us what to do,why dont you tell those who caused this mess,to clean it up?
Im not a fan of Erdogan but,he was the one telling the world that there should have been a no-fly zone,why didnt they listen to him?
Its easy to say,do something about ISIS,the US bombed Libya,Iraq,Afghanistan etc,why not Syria?
Dont you think there are alter motives in Syria,maybe to create a ''Greater Kurdistan'' by forcing us to go to war,weaken our defences and devide my country,ever think of that?
There is no the good and the bad in this world,there is only interests,think about that.
Who caused the mess should also clean it up.

 

[Assange]

Why should we,is it Turkiye that caused the rise of ISIS?
What would have happened if Obama kept his word regarding the ''Red lines'' crossed by Assad?
A no-fly zone,a safe-zone in Syria and defeat Assad on the ground with a coalition force?
Would there ever have been an ISIS?
Instead of telling us what to do,why dont you tell those who caused this mess,to clean it up?
Im not a fan of Erdogan but,he was the one telling the world that there should have been a no-fly zone,why didnt they listen to him?
Its easy to say,do something about ISIS,the US bombed Libya,Iraq,Afghanistan etc,why not Syria?
Dont you think there are alter motives in Syria,maybe to create a ''Greater Kurdistan'' by forcing us to go to war,weaken our defences and devide my country,ever think of that?
There is no the good and the bad in this world,there is only interests,think about that.
Who caused the mess should also clean it up.

I can certainly understand your point of view.....

I am not speaking about ISIS bullshit mainly...My main concern is about Islam...Turkey was responsible for spreading Islam nearly all over the world saying it is a religion of peace....Now ISIS is threatening the very foundation of Islam being a religion of peace...Now at least on that view Turkey should do something about ISIS on the ground....Turkey should protect Islam's name...Well all know Saudies will not do that....

Forget about US...Turkey can definitely destroy 50% of ISIS if it wants to because of its influence over Islamic world and its military power....

 

[T-123456]

Forget about US...Turkey can definitely destroy 50% of ISIS if it wants to because of its influence over Islamic world and its military power....

Do you honestly think that there is an Islamic world?
How many of these so called Islamic countries would actually support Turkiye if we went to war,Pakistan and Azerbaijan?
There is no Islamic world and even if there is a name ''Islamic world'',the countries you think of would backstab us the second we went to war against ISIS.
There is a bigger game played here,its not about ISIS,im sure you will find out soon,just be patient and you will see.

 

[Assange]

Do you honestly think that there is an Islamic world?
How many of these so called Islamic countries would actually support Turkiye if we went to war,Pakistan and Azerbaijan?
There is no Islamic world and even if there is a name ''Islamic world'',the countries you think of would backstab us the second we went to war against ISIS.
There is a bigger game played here,its not about ISIS,im sure you will find out soon,just be patient and you will see.

Nicely said about Islamic world even sometimes I think where is Muslim brotherhood....

Anyways as you say let's wait and watch...Only time will give us the answer....

 

[flamer84]

Research Paper: ISIS-Turkey List | David L. Phillips

A research paper with ample evidence of Turkey-ISIS collaboration.

It really can't be denied anymore.

 

[Hussein]

Nicely said about Islamic world even sometimes I think where is Muslim brotherhood....

Anyways as you say let's wait and watch...Only time will give us the answer....

what do you mean ? (i don't get what you want to say here)

about what said @T-123456 i agree with lot of what he said
some people clearly support PKK or PeK (concerning us)..; well the bad guys
it is not for aim of some humanitarian ideology or stuff like this, it is clear intent to "give pain" to the country

you know when i hear French politics say "we will decide later who will lead Syria" that's something to be shocked by

like in Iran , islamists don't serve their countries. these people often are just caring make money for themselves
or care for an ideology that would serve a group only not the all citizens or the nation
we are not the masters of our own countries and often our leaders do everything so all our countries are weak

i have long experience in life and business ...
for exemple i can say you a long list of people who love our countries and are treated like cheat in France
and a long list of people who say bad about KSA or Iran for exemple, and make great business over there
and for Iran for exemple i know many guys there who say to threat other to be treators but are the worst treators
working with the worst companies , making money with people that hate our country and even sometimes do everything to destroy us

it is ME my friends ... we are cheated by our leaders ... and are down.

 

[anatolia]

Research Paper: ISIS-Turkey List | David L. Phillips

A research paper with ample evidence of Turkey-ISIS collaboration.

It really can't be denied anymore.

once again our jewish lowers speak out about their love about erdogan god bless TURKIYE.................

 

[Assange]

what do you mean ? (i don't get what you want to say here)

I was just saying there was no unity in Islamic world...Muslims kill Muslims in the name of ISLAM....

 

[Hakan]

Stupid move from Turkish fans, sorry to any French that were offended. Condolences to terror victims from all countries including France that was hit badly recently. It's always sad to see people get killed. Hopefully ISHIT will be defeated soon.

No matter how you spin it, Turks support ISIS under table is a well known fact, all over internet. People are not stupid, just google turkey ISIS, for example

ISIS Sees Turkey as Its Ally
Links between Turkey and ISIS are now 'undeniable'

Instead of hitting on ISIS targets as promised by Erdogan, Turks went on bombing Kurds,who are the only ground force seriously fighting ISIS.

Just ask yourself, why 90% ISIS foreign fighters use Turkey to enter into ISIS territory, If you are serious about fighting terrorism, why not seal your border instead of allowing free passage in and out of ISIS territory; why not stopping buy their stolen oil at $5 a barrel? Instead your government smuggle terrorists from all over the world including those Uighur terrorists from China into ISIS.

Don't play the victim card, Europeans vs Turks, as a matter of fact. Nobody in your neighborhood likes you, not just Germans, French etc Europeans, Greeks, Russians, Balkans, Romanians, Persians, Kurds, Armenians, Arabs, we all know the reason.

Look at your own neighborhood, nobody likes you except for North Korea who kills even more people than ISHIT. If China is so good why do you support North Korea? You support a barbaric rogue state with nuclear weapons, this is a fact. We can look at official statsments, history, and geopolitics to prove this. The same can't be said with Turkey and ISHIT.

 

[khail007]

And then you expect World to believe Islam is the religion of peace and not every Muslim is a terrorist.

Shah jee, we are discussing humanity not religion. Now massacres are happening in world more frequently, after attacking Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria; these super powers made the world more stable and secure.

Did upon massacres of thousands in mentioned countries, there were any solidarity with them? Anyone lit a candle?

Silence will make you more silent. Speak to address the root causes for such criminal acts.

Terrorism on both sides; on one hand there are terrorist on the other hand there is state owned terrorism with a support of sugar coated so called international support. The only difference, the former only the reaction of the later.