Turkish FM Çavuşoğlu expose Turkey's expanionism.

[Akritas]

Misaki Milli is the last decision taken in the last Ottoman parliament in 1920, and it is the set of principles that determine the borders of the Turkish state. Its content is available on the Internet in English. These decisions were later accepted exactly at the Sivas Congress (the beginning of the Turkish War of Independence). By its nature, it complies with Wilson's principles. It envisages the right of self-determination to peoples.

If it is desired to make a map in the light of the determined principles; As of 1920, a map appears as follows.

However, these borders could not be reached after the Turkish War of Independence.
-Hatay joined the country with a plebiscite.
-However, in the plebiscite of Western Thrace, Turkiye supported the region to remain in Greece due to the conditions at that time.
-The Cyprus problem, which England illegally occupied, never came to the fore, because the British used the Mosul problem and the straits problem as leverage.
-Batumi was also left to the Russians, in return the Bolsheviks supported the Turkish War of Independence.

Currently, our Misaki Milli is the lands we own.

The reason that reveals the principles of Misaki Milli is the map below.

This is not an imaginary map, it had been tried but defeated. Hundreds of thousands of Turkish civilians were subjected to massacres in these waves of occupation.

Misak-i Millî or the National Pact was a strategy of six key decisions adopted by the Ottoman Parliament in 1920. According to the National Pact, Turkey claimed territories stretching from....

• Eastern Thrace, now part of Greece
• North Bulgaria
• Cyprus,
• eastern Aegean islands,
• parts of northern Syria, northern Iraq,
• the entirety of modern Armenia,
• parts of Georgia,
• parts of Iran

Just yesterday,,the president of the youth ultranationalist Grey Wolves , the youth organisation of MHP, presented the map to Bahceli as a gift during his visit to the organisation’s headquarters on Saturday, the beginning of Muslim’s religious Eid al-Adha holiday with the follow quote:

“We presented our work called ‘Our National Oath (Misak-ı Milli) in seas’ to our leader,”

But is not only Greece.

• On August 8, 2011, Erdogan, said: “Syria is not an external issue, but rather an internal Turkish affair.
• On January 11, 2018, Erdogan said: "Northern Syria was within the limits of the Melli Charter...".
• In October 2016, after the Iraqi government refused Turkey’s participation in the operation to liberate the city of Mosul in northern Iraq from ISIS, Erdogan responded to the Iraqi decision by saying, “They should read the Milli Charter to understand the meaning of Mosul for us...Mosul was for us".
• Also said: "As we live through the events in Syria and Iraq, the new generation must know something very well. It is amazing what the Milli Pact is, we must know this well. If we study the Milli Pact and if we understand the Milli Pact, we understand well our responsibility in Syria and Iraq, And if we say we have a responsibility in Mosul, then for that we have to be at the table and in the field, and for this there is a reason.Unfortunately we could not protect our religious pact on our western or southern borders, they wanted to lock us inside a shell, and this concept we reject, they want Since 1923 they have imprisoned us in this concept in order to make us forget our Seljuk and Ottoman past"

There are dozens of similar statements, from all Turkish government officials, such as the Turkish Foreign Minister at the beginning of this thread.

The borders of modern Turkey were drawn after WW1, in the 1923 Lausanne Treaty.
Erdogan and the ultranationalist MHP have questioned the treaty’s validity, throwing Turkey’s commitment to its key aspects into doubt.

Both promoting the revival of the “borders” of the National Oath of February 1920 that lays claim to lands now belonging to Turkey's southern and western neighbours.

 

[BordoEnes]

What is your understanding of this?
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Btw, it is really hard to hide it.

In what way does the representation of warriors from the 16 Turkic empires scream Neo-Ottomanism? What does the Xiongnu have to do with Ottomans? What does the Timurids have to do with Neo-Ottomanism?

 

[Foinikas]

In what way does the representation of warriors from the 16 Turkic empires scream Neo-Ottomanism? What does the Xiongnu have to do with Ottomans? What does the Timurids have to do with Neo-Ottomanism?

It's something Erdogan introduced in his quest to portray a historical continuity between modern Turkey and various relevant and irrelevant Turkic or Mongolic Empires and States. It's his quest to revive a sense of "Empire" to the Turkish people,that wasn't there during the Kemalist era.

 

[BordoEnes]

I explained to you what Erdogan's neo-Ottomanism is, I brought you sources, they all converge on one definition: an embrace of the Ottoman past that accepts it as a reference point for the present and future, encourages engagement with former Ottoman territories to increase Turkey’s political and economic influence in the region.



Pan-Turkism, on the other hand, is another doctrine, but it has a common goal with neo-Ottomanism: to increase Turkey’s political and economic influence in the region.

So when Turkey acts on its self-interests and wants to increase its influence in the region its automatically Neo-Ottomanism? If that is the case then when can Turkey do any of these things without people labeling it as Neo-Ottomanism? What are the lines between acting on self-interests and Neo-Ottomanism? Even you admit that its all about expanding Turkey's political and economic influence within the region, does that automatically make it Neo-Ottomanism?

It's something Erdogan introduced in his quest to portray a historical continuity between modern Turkey and various relevant and irrelevant Turkic or Mongolic Empires and States. It's his quest to revive a sense of "Empire" to the Turkish people,that wasn't there during the Kemalist era.

Right and in what way does that tie it to "Neo-Ottomanism" again?

 

[Foinikas]

Right and in what way does that tie it to "Neo-Ottomanism" again?

The fact that it's about Empires and tries to remind everyone of the Ottoman past,while Erdogan persues his imperialist dreams and tries to gain influence everywhere,as well as getting involved in other wars.

 

[dBSPL]

The presidential pennant is not something Erdogan invented. In 1922, Atatürk visited İzmir with this presidential pennant. With the decree published on May 29, 1936, the dimensions and standards of the pennant were determined in its final form. According to the 28th article of the Turkish Flag Regulation dated 25.01.1985 and numbered 85/9034, which is still in effect, and the relevant example of this article, today's pennant is used.

This presidential pennant tradition goes much more way back from to the last republic. It is a centuries-old tradition. Not just Ottomans (yes, even Yavuz Selim used a pennant like this), according to the historical artifacts in the Topkapı Palace, its beginning dates back to the Seljuk Ruler Tuğrul Bey. To understand what Tuğrul Bey means in our history, it is necessary to know a little about his life and what he did. Compasses on maps, including the Piri Reis Map, have tips showing 16 different directions. The value given by the Turks to these symbols is also understood from the examples in Turkish Mythology. This flag refers to both Turkish origins and the esoteric connection between Turkic states.

In addition, people who have no knowledge of Atatürk's world of ideas and the works he wrote, trying to equate everything in the Turkish state tradition with Erdoğan and image him through him is now a boring indicator of anti-TR populism.

16 pointed star (9 small, 7 big; or 8 big 8 small point) or 16 stars around the Sun (or annular eclipse) tell a lot for people who have above average knowledge on Turkish myths and symbologies.

 

[R2D2]

Greece should accept Turkey as elder brother and Turkey should start the Army branch Janessaries and induct Greek youth also like before.

 

[dBSPL]

Greece should accept Turkey as elder brother and Turkey should start the Army branch Janessaries and induct Greek youth also like before.

OK, that's a little provocative. Not in this way, but Greece has also produced intellectuals who stated that the Turkish-Greek alliance can reshape the region, even whole world. Perhaps the most important of these is the Greek Turcologist, professor Dimitri Kitsikis. Kitsikis has world-renowned studies in the fields of Geopolitics and International Relations.

Dimitri Kitsikis has been teaching and researching in the fields of Geopolitics and International Relations at the University of Ottawa in Canada since 1970. Professor Kitsikis is also an academic of the Royal Society of Canada. He received his PhD in 1963 from the Sorbonne, Paris. Dimitri Kitsikis has been teaching Chinese and Turkish history, geopolitics and political ideologies at Western universities since 1970. He was a close friend and advisor to Greek prime minister Konstantin Karamanlis in the 1960s and 1970s. Dimitri Kitsikis continued to regularly publish political articles in periodicals in Greece. He is the founder and publisher of the journal -Intermediate- which has been published in Athens since 1996 and writes political articles in this journal. In 2006, the Public Foundation and Library in Athens was named after Dimitri Kitsikis and changed to "Dimitri Kitsikis Public Foundation and Library".

He belongs to an intellectual and noble family, which is very well known in the Balkans. His family's fame dates back to the 19th century. His father, Nikos Kitsikis , was the rector of Athens Polytechnic University. His mother, Beata Petihaki, was an ELAS resistance fighter against the German invasion and was Greece's first major feminist.

Throughout his academic life, Dimitri Kitsikis has the idea of establishing a reconciliation between Turks and Greeks. He intended to unite these two nations in the Turkish-Greek Confederation, to re-live and revive the Ottoman Empire (or New Rome, in another view). Although he is an Orthodox Christian, he is close to the Alevism-Bektashism belief, which is one of the Turkish religious beliefs, and he finds parallels between this religious understanding and Orthodox Christianity. He believes that this religious parallelism will contribute to political rapprochement between Athens and Ankara.

Professor Dimitri Kitsikis has made some determinations and discoveries in his studies. The main ones are:

A – He is the inventor of the term Intermediate. With this concept, he extended the Intermediate civilization from the Adriatic Sea to the Indus river between Europe-America and China-India. This new concept has been the subject of a doctoral thesis published in Germany. (P. Davarinos, Geschichtsschreibung und Politik, Düsseldorf, Heinrich Heine University, 1995). Again, the same concept was recognized by The Royal Society of Canada for its originality and Professor Dimitri Kitsikis was admitted to this academy as a member in 1999.

B - Two different aspects human history: Eastern (Ανατολική Παράταξις) and Western (Δυτική Παράταξις) ways of thinking.

C- The civilization of the last millennium has been shaped by the Hellenic-Turk (Helenoturkism, - Ελληνοτουρκισμός) ideology.

D - The main religious understanding of the Ottomans civilization is Bektashism.

Also: In 2007, his book was published under the title A Comparison of Greek and Chinese History from Ancient Times to the Present. This is the only work that shows the relations between the two civilizations in a time period starting from ancient times to three thousand years.

 

[dBSPL]

historical continuity between modern Turkey and various relevant and irrelevant Turkic or Mongolic Empires and States.

A Hunnic princess found in Bavaria was closest to Lipka/Kazan Tatar Turks and Western Anatolian Turks.

 

[Akritas]

So when Turkey acts on its self-interests and wants to increase its influence in the region its automatically Neo-Ottomanism? If that is the case then when can Turkey do any of these things without people labeling it as Neo-Ottomanism? What are the lines between acting on self-interests and Neo-Ottomanism? Even you admit that its all about expanding Turkey's political and economic influence within the region, does that automatically make it Neo-Ottomanism?

Many, such as questioning the existing borders, not issuing maps that include neighboring areas, not making statements like that of the Turkish foreign minister, not having casus belli-type threats, not flying over neighboring territories, resolving disputes through international courts ,and many more.

Greece should accept Turkey as elder brother and Turkey should start the Army branch Janessaries and induct Greek youth also like before.

Would you like the conqueror to take your child by force, turn you into a janissary and finally slaughter you and your family?

 

[dBSPL]

(...)not having casus belli-type threats, not flying over neighboring territories, resolving disputes through international courts ,and many more.

There is no casus-belli decision taken by the Turkish parliament. You are knowingly lying about it. The decision taken in the TGNA corresponds to the decision taken in the Greek parliament before.

Turkey does not exclude Greece's territorial waters and legal airspace in any of its regional approaches.

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Greece cannot implement its unilateral claims and decisions on shared/adjacent areas without negotiating with neighbours! When it wants to implement it, neighboring countries have full of rights to prevent it and free to can not recognize these unilateral decisions. Presenting this situation as a threat is an obvious example of pure propaganda.

In Greece's unilateral claim of a 10-mile FIR line against 6 miles of territorial water, which is unique in the world: While, even the USA admitting that it's not right, where you are trying to export all your problems and hide behind, you need avoid to use these types words and not market this situation as a threat here.

Apart from the populism that some lobbyist senators make these days, (for some reason) they cannot make an official statement to the contrary to above.


Your provocative attidude forcing us as much as possible to act like you.

 

[Akritas]

Greece cannot implement its unilateral claims and decisions on shared/adjacent areas without negotiating with neighbours! When it wants to implement it, neighboring countries have full of rights to prevent it and free to can not recognize these unilateral decisions. Presenting this situation as a threat is an obvious example of pure propaganda.

Accordance International Law, the following procedure is followed:

1- Initial talks between the two states based on the basis of reciprocity and good neighborliness.
2- If the talks fail, then they continue based on the International Law (e.g. UNCLOS).
3- If a country disagree or does not accept parts of the International Law (e.g. UNCLOS), then both they go to International Courts.
4- If a country does not even accept the jurisdiction of the International Courts, then it threatens, invades, bullying and act as the troublemaker of the region.

Guess which country is this?

 

[Akritas]

In Greece's unilateral claim of a 10-mile FIR line against 6 miles of territorial water, which is unique in the world: While, even the USA admitting that it's not right, where you are trying to export all your problems and hide behind, you need avoid to use these types words and not market this situation as a threat here.

Apart from the populism that some lobbyist senators make these days, (for some reason) they cannot make an official statement to the contrary to above.


Your provocative attidude forcing us as much as possible to act like you.

Half truth is a huge lie, Turkey is mendor on that.....
So, Greece is not talking about mere airspace violations, the controvesial 4 miles airspace gap, but about armed overflights above un/inhabited Greek islands.
And yesterday US lawmakers(not only them of course) accept for one more time, and this Turkish aggressive behaviour.

Democrats stand between Biden and sale of U.S. fighter jets to Turkey

Congressional critics of transferring F-16s say the NATO ally is engaging in “authoritarianism” and “antagonistic actions.”

www.politico.com

 

[Foinikas]

Your provocative attidude forcing us as much as possible to act like you.

Again "our" provocative attitude....

 

[Akritas]

Cavusoglu: Ankara to continue violations, overflights​

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu indicated on Thursday that even if the United States sets conditions for Turkey’s acquisition of F-16 fighter jets, Ankara will continue to violate Greece’s airspace with overflights, as he claimed that there are many islands of “disputed sovereignty” in the Aegean.

Cavusoglu: Ankara to continue violations, overflights | eKathimerini.com

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu indicated on Thursday that even if the United States sets conditions for Turkey’s acquisition of F-16 fighter jets, Ankara will continue to violate Greece’s airspace with overflights

www.ekathimerini.com