Turkey vs. Iran: The Battle for Influence

[somebozo]

"Lataftahanna al-Qustantiniyya wa lani`ma al-amiru amiruha wa lani`ma al-jayshu dhalika al-jaysh."

"Verily you shall conquer Constantinople. What a wonderful leader will her leader be, and what a wonderful army will that army be!"

Narrated from Bishr al-Khath`ami or al-Ghanawi by:

Ahmad, al-Musnad 14:331 #18859 [sahih chain according to Hamza al-Zayn] al-Hakim, al-Mustadrak 4:421-422 [sahih according to him and al-Dhahabi concurred] al-Tabarani, al-Mu`jam al-Kabir 2:38 #1216 [sahih chain according to al-Haythami 6:218-219] al-Bukhari, al-Tarikh al-Kabir 2:81 and al-Saghir 1:306 Ibn `Abd al-Barr, al-Isti`ab 8:170 [hasan chain according to him] al-Suyuti, al-Jami` al-Saghir [sahih according to him]

That defacto seals any anti-Turk attitudes as they have been praised being the conqueror of Constantinople..And their leader will be defined as "wonderful". In this context it makes the Safavid absolutely "najis" (swine) for launching campaign against the Ottomans who were the rightful conquers of Constantinople!

Iranians seem like extremist people. When they were under the Shah, they were extremely liberal. When the revolution happened they became extremely religious. Now they are sick of religion. Why can't these guys just find a balance?

And at the time of Yazgerd, they were soo extremely lavish that Prophet used their example of lavishness as a curse on a society!

 

[RedBeard]

follow whatever you want. Dont blame Islam all the time because of your leaders! They dont represent Islam and nobody has this right.

 

[PERSIAN]

I pray 5 times a day. I don't understand how Islam can make anyone backwards. You guys should just stop mixing religion with the state.

I try and explain it to you the best way i can, Persian were attacked by muslim and forcefully converted, from then on they followed islam, and at some point shiites islam came along and they started following that.
The reason persian get backward is because Islam is not our culture, those of us that follow it is because we get told to do so from early age, people in saudi arabia and pakistan follow islam because its your culture.

Iran uses islam as a tool to be member of the current middle east influential payer.

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There is so many islamic persian hating people like myself, we want to put our our culture on our land.
it would be much better for saudi,pakistan,tukey even if Iran stopped following islam.

 

[RazPaK]

I try and explain it to you the best way i can, Persian were attacked by muslim and forcefully converted, from then on they followed islam, and at some point shiites islam came along and they started following that.
The reason persian get backward is because Islam is not our culture, those of us that follow it is because we get told to do so from early age, people in saudi arabia and pakistan follow islam because its your culture.

Iran uses islam as a tool to be member of the current middle east influential payer.


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There is so many islamic persian hating people like myself, we want to put our our culture on our land.
it would be much better for saudi,pakistan,tukey even if Iran stopped following islam.

Explain what exactly is Persian culture to clarify? Islam is not Pakistan's culture just religion. In fact if Pakistanis were not Muslims, our women would probably still cover their head, that's our culture.

 

[RedBeard]

That defacto seals any anti-Turk attitudes as they have been praised being the conqueror of Constantinople..And their leader will be defined as "wonderful". In this context it makes the Safavid absolutely "najis" (swine) for launching campaign against the Ottomans who were the rightful conquers of Constantinople!

Conqueror of Constantinople. Sultan Fateh Muhammed!

 

[RazPaK]

Also I would like to add that not all Iranians are Persians; so are you for ethnically cleansing Kurds, Azeris, Turkmens, and Arabs?

 

[PERSIAN]

Yea i know, 50% iran are persian like myself, the rest are like you mentioned.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

I try and explain it to you the best way i can, Persian were attacked by muslim and forcefully converted, from then on they followed islam, and at some point shiites islam came along and they started following that.
The reason persian get backward is because Islam is not our culture, those of us that follow it is because we get told to do so from early age, people in saudi arabia and pakistan follow islam because its your culture.

Iran uses islam as a tool to be member of the current middle east influential payer.

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There is so many islamic persian hating people like myself, we want to put our our culture on our land.
it would be much better for saudi,pakistan,tukey even if Iran stopped following islam.

Lol..... u seem confused .. how old r u ? no pun just asking... also Islam is not a culture but a religion...also how does it make a country backward?

 

[RedBeard]

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[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

I try and explain it to you the best way i can, Persian were attacked by muslim and forcefully converted, from then on they followed islam, and at some point shiites islam came along and they started following that.
The reason persian get backward is because Islam is not our culture, those of us that follow it is because we get told to do so from early age, people in saudi arabia and pakistan follow islam because its your culture.

Iran uses islam as a tool to be member of the current middle east influential payer.

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There is so many islamic persian hating people like myself, we want to put our our culture on our land.
it would be much better for saudi,pakistan,tukey even if Iran stopped following islam.

i agree on the bolded part
ur post reported

TARIQ

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

Conqueror of Constantinople. Sultan Fateh Muhammed!

Assalam alaikum

We ( muslims ) will be proud of that leader , its army and what they did till the judgement day.
it is in our books in our minds and hearts.

TARIQ

 

[RazPaK]

So let me get this straight. If Iranians will give up Islam, revert back to Zoroastrianism and start worshipping fire they will no longer be backwards, and all of sudden be the strongest civilization on Earth?

 

[RedBeard]

So let me get this straight. If Iranians will give up Islam, revert back to Zoroastrianism and start worshipping fire they will no longer be backwards, and all of sudden be the strongest civilization on Earth?

 

[somebozo]

I try and explain it to you the best way i can, Persian were attacked by muslim and forcefully converted, from then on they followed islam, and at some point shiites islam came along and they started following that.
The reason persian get backward is because Islam is not our culture, those of us that follow it is because we get told to do so from early age, people in saudi arabia and pakistan follow islam because its your culture.

Iran uses islam as a tool to be member of the current middle east influential payer.

---------- Post added at 11:56 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:54 PM ----------

There is so many islamic persian hating people like myself, we want to put our our culture on our land.
it would be much better for saudi,pakistan,tukey even if Iran stopped following islam.

1. Muslims only fullfilled the prophecy which established who was strong..the Sword of Allah or the Sword of Yazgerd. Then they were kind about to liberate your people by marrying into your royality.
2. Shiite Islam nourished and flourished in Persia due to Azeri poetullah dynasty of Shah Ismail who wanted to reclaimed the honor of Persian Empire, and in this process put thousands of Muslims to the sword!
3. Islam is not a culture but a religion. Even the Zoroaster believed in monotheism and prayed five times a day!
4. The bolded part is a confession every one has been expecting. Iranian regime is already suspicious anyways and No they dont follow Islam, they follow something of their own brand which they think is Islam!

Are you a 12yo keyboard warrior?

So let me get this straight. If Iranians will give up Islam, revert back to Zoroastrianism and start worshipping fire they will no longer be backwards, and all of sudden be the strongest civilization on Earth?

Then at-least we will know their true character!

 

[yahya07]

Calling my country a puppet?? From a Persian?? Go learn some history boy and show some respect. We Turks have always bleeded for ISLAM.. Turks destroyed gigantic crusader armies for 7 times, conquered large parts of Christian Europe. Can you please tell us how many wars did Persians fought against non-muslims.. All your wars against Islam!!

Why Turks always bring up 700 year old history to defend the treacherous polices of the Republic of Turkey is beyond me. Turkey IS a puppet of the West. They have never objected to a SINGLE policy of the West. Hosting NATO radars against Iran is the latest proof.