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Turkey vs. Iran: The Battle for Influence

Hate toward Iran in the gulf region started during Iran-Iraq war which is crazy since Iraq started the war. But since the Second gulf war the hate was doubled because some people blame the Iraqi shiis for all the mess in Iraq after Sadam. They think Iraqii shiis are Iranians pupets. It is all relgious in my opinion, wahabi Suadi Arabia against Twelvers Iran, and they are messing up the entire region with them, good for them they have oil to help in spreading their ideolgy.

Anyway Shias form the majority in Iraq and Shias have all right to dominate politically there. I read somewhere, Saddam Hussain restricted many Shia religious practices. Americans took full advantage of this divide.
 
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People don't really care, that is atleast what i think. People look at Turkey as a role model that Arab countries have should follow. Freedom, democracy, moderate Islam, support for Palestine, Islamic party winning elections, all that stuff.


I'm gonna have to swallow my pride and say that Iranians are also looking at turkey as a role model in that regard
 
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Anyway Shias form the majority in Iraq and Shias have all right to dominate politically there. I read somewhere, Saddam Hussain restricted many Shia religious practices. Americans took full advantage of this divide.

Gulf arabs funded the war against iran, they funded Iraq until saddam turned on them invaded he should have invaded Saudi arabia and overthrew the house of saud.
 
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LOL at he gets more support in Lebanon than in Iran, hahaaha.... Now, why do you think that you guys can only have good relations with Shii Arabs ? "Arabs" of North Africa don't even worry if you guys are Sunni or Shii. A lot of Egyptians apperciate Iran and Turkey a lot. I know Algerians do too.
Arabs in North Africa were never part of the ugly back and forth relationship that we all had (khalijis and Iranians) over the past two thousand years so neither party has any beef, historically or otherwise.

btw, until a century ago, arab in Iran meant people of the Persian Gulf and it didn't even refer to the people of the Levant, let alone North Africa. Only in the 20th century people started calling these other groups as Arabs. But even today, when people say arabs, they are almost always talking about khaliji arabs.
 
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UAE, Bahrain, Oman, Qatar, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia should recognize Israel and forget the Palestine move all the Palestinians to gaza and dump phosphorous on them end of story. they would likely do that.
What would you like them to do to support the Palestinians ? Tell me something they can actually do.
 
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Damascus and Ankara in cat and mouse game

Peeved at Turkey's ‘betrayal', Syria has extended its support to PKK


November 14, 2011

For Syria, which was the only country in the world that shared borders with both Israel and Turkey, a geographical reality that endowed Damascus with unique political prospects, Ankara's decision to get off the fence and openly support anti-regime forces, was perceived by President Bashar Al Assad as a personal betrayal.

Early on Al Assad concluded that Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan had decided to realign Turkey with the Sunni world against the putative rise of Shiites. The Turkish shift bothered Syria and it was not long before Al Assad decided to retaliate.

Indeed, because Ankara was determined to extend support to Sunni freedom fighters in Syria, Damascus activated its dormant backing to the "outlawed" Kurdistan Workers' Party [Parti Karkerani Kurdistan or PKK], a nationalist organisation active in Eastern Anatolia that has been a sore on the state's side.

Amazingly, PKK units launched an impressive military operation against several Turkish bases, as scores of militants infiltrated Eastern Turkey in mid-October, and in a concerted attack killed almost 30 Turkish soldiers.

Though most allegedly slipped back into Northern Iraq, Ankara believed that the PKK was receiving Syrian military assistance and, consequently, authorised those officers and soldiers of the Syrian Free Army who made it to Turkey to establish bases on its territory. It was important to bear in mind that the small Free Syrian Army was incapable, at least for now, to act as an authentic militia. Even if the total numbers grew faster over the next weeks and months, Turkey was not ready to host a true opposition "army," one that would be allowed to engage the Syrian military in what could well spread into a regional conflict that may also involve Iran, Iraq and, perhaps, Lebanon and Israel.

Avoiding direct confrontation

Still, Ankara's military capabilities were far more significant than many assumed in Damascus, and it behooved officials in the Syrian capital to avoid a direct confrontation.

Notwithstanding its sympathy for the suffering Syrian Sunni population, however, Turkey was also concerned with the territorial integrity of Syria, especially if that option prevented the spread of sectarian tensions. Towards that end, and for egocentric reasons, it rejected Syrian calls to grant self-rule to the millions of its Kurdish citizens (who finally became full-fledged citizens in 2011).

Presumably, it was in Turkey's interests to see Syria's Kurds stay put, but were Syria to implode, the fate of its Kurdish minority — to carve for itself an autonomous zone along the border region — literally threatened Turkish integrity too. Ankara was amply aware that a large autonomous Kurdish enclave in Iraq would be complemented with the one in Syria, both of which might increase irredentist Kurdish aspirations in Turkey, with dire consequences.

It was this permutation that was at the heart of the Syrian-Turkish dilemma and that delayed the inevitable overthrow of the Baath regime in Damascus.

Whatever assistance Turkey decided to provide to the Free Syrian Army units must therefore be carefully balanced.

Ankara literally held Syria's military future in its hands as it pondered what strategic steps to take: sacrifice Kurdistan — and recognise its eventual independent status — or lead the Sunni world. Likewise, how Damascus decided to play the Kurdish card against Turkey, perhaps by launching a Kurdish counteroffensive along the borders and risk retaliations, ensured what happened to its security apparatus — in other words, what happened to the regime itself.

A cat and mouse game was under way between Damascus and Ankara, one that was likely to cost them both, though the risks to the regular Syrian military were exponentially higher.

gulfnews : Damascus and Ankara in cat and mouse game
 
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What would you like them to do to support the Palestinians ? Tell me something they can actually do.

they don't support Palestine at all .they have the power to make palestine but truth is they don't they have corrupted by money and paranoid of iran they don't care happen no palestinians are forsaken people by their own arab brethren. it seem non arab muslims care more about palestinians then arabs do.
 
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Anyway Shias form the majority in Iraq and Shias have all right to dominate politically there. I read somewhere, Saddam Hussain restricted many Shia religious practices. Americans took full advantage of this divide.

I agree 100% with you..

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I'm gonna have to swallow my pride and say that Iranians are also looking at turkey as a role model in that regard
Isn't Iran a democratic country thu ? If fair elections took place, would the ayatollah and mullas win the elections ?
 
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come on agentny17 admit it Palestinians are forsaken people how much do the Gulf arabs give them ? say 20 million or 30 million peanuts on much they spend on weapons ranging from $60-$100 billion if israel destroyed the al aqsa mosque and expelled the gulf arabs wouldn't give a care in the world about it. It seems Iran care more about Palestinians then their arab brethren do :whistle:
 
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Arabs in North Africa were never part of the ugly back and forth relationship that we all had (khalijis and Iranians) over the past two thousand years so neither party has any beef, historically or otherwise.

btw, until a century ago, arab in Iran meant people of the Persian Gulf and it didn't even refer to the people of the Levant, let alone North Africa. Only in the 20th century people started calling these other groups as Arabs. But even today, when people say arabs, they are almost always talking about khaliji arabs.
I actually met couple of Iranians here in NY and they were very friendly when they knew i was Egyptian.

Egyptians, Alegerians, Sudanesse, Tunisians, Syrian, ect.. were only callled Arabs in the 20th centruy, its because we are Arabic speaking countries, share the same history, culture, but we are still diff. from eachothers, looks, color, history, but we are friendly still. I just don't know why do you guys anf the Gulf Arabs hate eachother this much ? All Problems should be solved
 
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I agree 100% with you..

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Isn't Iran a democratic country thu ? If fair elections took place, would the ayatollah and mullas win the elections ?
dudeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
me and you are gonna have a long discussion later on lol

Short answer: **** NO

Iran's democracy is funny. The candidates have to be accepted by the Leader of Iran (currently the bearded devil, other wise known as "Ali Geda," AKA Khamenei), and they MUST SUPPORT the revolution and its ideals. So, in reality Iran doesn't have a democracy, not even close. But it's much better than what the rest of the Kahlijees have. The simple fact that people can partake in this whole process teaches people the values of democracy, freedom etc... The 2009 election uprisings were a direct result of that. People had increased their expectations and they no longer accepted the same old bs. In the future this expectation is going to increase and the regime will have to reform.

+ %70 of Iranians were born after the Islamic Revolution of 79 and this demographic doesn't share the same values with the regime, at least not entirely. People like me are against the West and its negative roles in the region, but at the same time we want nothing to do with the readical and extreme ideas of the Islamic regime. Iranian people are very secular (in general) so living under Saudi Arabia like laws doesn't go down well with the people. If they would cool it with all the Islamic laws then people would actually support them.
 
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they don't support Palestine at all .they have the power to make palestine but truth is they don't they have corrupted by money and paranoid of iran they don't care happen no palestinians are forsaken people by their own arab brethren. it seem non arab muslims care more about palestinians then arabs do.
Leaders are diff. than the actual people... I agree with you that they could use their money better, but tell me one what are other countries doing for Palestine, nothing!!

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come on agentny17 admit it Palestinians are forsaken people how much do the Gulf arabs give them ? say 20 million or 30 million peanuts on much they spend on weapons ranging from $60-$100 billion if israel destroyed the al aqsa mosque and expelled the gulf arabs wouldn't give a care in the world about it. It seems Iran care more about Palestinians then their arab brethren do :whistle:
Agree 100% with you.
 
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Leaders are diff. than the actual people... I agree with you that they could use their money better, but tell me one what are other countries doing for Palestine, nothing!!

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Agree 100% with you.

So we have come to the conclusion where the gulf arabs should recognize is real and dispose of the Palestinians for good, it will be a win win for america, the gulf arabs and israel.
 
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dudeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
me and you are gonna have a long discussion later on lol

Short answer: **** NO

Iran's democracy is funny. The candidates have to be accepted by the Leader of Iran (currently the bearded devil, other wise known as "Ali Geda," AKA Khamenei), and they MUST SUPPORT the revolution and its ideals. So, in reality Iran doesn't have a democracy, not even close. But it's much better than what the rest of the Kahlijees have. The simple fact that people can partake in this whole process teaches people the values of democracy, freedom etc... The 2009 election uprisings were a direct result of that. People had increased their expectations and they no longer accepted the same old bs. In the future this expectation is going to increase and the regime will have to reform.

+ %70 of Iranians were born after the Islamic Revolution of 79 and this demographic doesn't share the same values with the regime, at least not entirely. People like me are against the West and its negative roles in the region, but at the same time we want nothing to do with the readical and extreme ideas of the Islamic regime. Iranian people are very secular (in general) so living under Saudi Arabia like laws doesn't go down well with the people. If they would cool it with all the Islamic laws then people would actually support them.
Well, that sums up everything. Well, i think after what happened in Syria, Egypt, and Tunis, Persian leaders should try to change before the people actually go down the streets and change them, they should learn a lesson.

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So we have come to the conclusion where the gulf arabs should recognize is real and dispose of the Palestinians for good, it will be a win win for america, the gulf arabs and israel.
Lol, i will make sure i will bring up your suggestion in my next meeting with them, lol.
 
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Well, that sums up everything. Well, i think after what happened in Syria, Egypt, and Tunis, Persian leaders should try to change before the people actually go down the streets and change them, they should learn a lesson.

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Lol, i will make sure i will bring up your suggestion in my next meeting with them, lol.

My jewish friend works for a heavy metal & chemical plant it shouldn't be to hard for him to get zyklon b and gas chambers.
 
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