Turkey: tired of high-pitched foreign policy

[Yavuzhan]

Turkey's policy in crisis because of it origin on external, this fact. Turkey looking itself for 10 years and this looking has manipulated a lot of time by many potantial allied and enemies, this seeking isn't finished yet even it will be continued min 10 years. therefore Turkeys potential allies will ask US. "What does Turkey has?"

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

I have been thinking about many things. Consider these probabilities:
- USA got out of ME because of severe economic crisis. Israel loses its regional power status without US backing.
- Russia consolidated, united with Belarus and Ukraine securing western front. Then turned his face to Caucasus. I dont wanna see Azerbaijan sandwiched between Russia, Iran and Armenia.
- Syria, Iraq and Iran are forming Shia bloc and starts using Kurds against Turkey. I see it probable.
- With EU on the west and Russia on the north, Shia bloc on the east Turkey is quasi-landlocked. Its political maneuverability is limited to Anatolia and wont go beyond its border.

- Or Perhaps with the Shia bloc gone, Iran can come closer into more pro-Turk stance or even transform into Turkic State. I may like it. We need a bridge between Europe and Central Asia.



I see only Saudia Arabia influential. Sorry 22 Arab States are having no unity. Some Johnnies come from other side of Atlantic and bombs Iraq and Libya, you cherrish for Crusaders. Yeah, same thing gonna happen to every Arab State one by one. You Arabs have some serious problems in your mentality.

Yes there is only one Turkey. We have no luxury to play soft.

I am sure we are. I pity you people.

 

[Abdi-Karim Elmi]

We should have never got involved in the arab world. The problem with middle east is the lack of applying the 6 "killer" apps in the society.

 

[Abdi-Karim Elmi]

What I mean by killer apps is that the west had the diffent application implememted into its society. These apps (see th to dominate for them as iPhones) anables the west to dominate the world for the past three centuries. Its what makes the west ahead of the rest to earn its self the best. East asianals are outsourcing and competing with the west while the middle east slaughter it each other over religion. Only persians and turks are appropriate to lead a secular near east.

 

[Qasibr]

Erdogan is probably the best leader in the region, look at what he has done for his people. I wish some Arab rulers had the courage and caliber to raise their nations out of this post-colonial rut. Even now, they're all very eager to please Uncle Sam and help against neighboring regimes, until the Arab spring reaches their nation.

I think NATO nations are sometimes distrustful towards Turkey and make it pass "tests", this Syria situation seems like one. Before this whole Arab spring situation, Turkey was very supportive of Syria, even in the face of western interests(like after Israeli attacks on Syrian nuclear facilities in 2006).

When Uncle Sam brings this spring to Saudi Arabia, the uproar in the Muslim world might be enough to get all these bickering Arab states to finally get their act together.

 

[Hyperion]

Foreign policy should have few pillars.

1. What's good for a secular Turkey
2. What's good for humanity where Turkey can contribute

If Turkey runs with these ideas, it will be successful.

However the Islamist bend of the current regime in Turkey robs it from operating at its fullest potential.

Turkey should learn from the awful outcomes for the countries who let religious elements run their foreign policy. Case in point, iranians who allowed Ayatullahs to go whole hog with Iran's foreign policy, or Afghanis who let Mullah Omer to go mad with Wahabi Islamism based foreign policy. Pakistan suffered under Bhattoo and Zia's Islamist led foreign policy, and the list goes on.

peace.

One sane voice.

 

[Serpentine]

I have been thinking about many things. Consider these probabilities:
- USA got out of ME because of severe economic crisis. Israel loses its regional power status without US backing.
- Russia consolidated, united with Belarus and Ukraine securing western front. Then turned his face to Caucasus. I dont wanna see Azerbaijan sandwiched between Russia, Iran and Armenia.
- Syria, Iraq and Iran are forming Shia bloc and starts using Kurds against Turkey. I see it probable.
- With EU on the west and Russia on the north, Shia bloc on the east Turkey is quasi-landlocked. Its political maneuverability is limited to Anatolia and wont go beyond its border.

- Or Perhaps with the Shia bloc gone, Iran can come closer into more pro-Turk stance or even transform into Turkic State. I may like it. We need a bridge between Europe and Central Asia.


I see only Saudia Arabia influential. Sorry 22 Arab States are having no unity. Some Johnnies come from other side of Atlantic and bombs Iraq and Libya, you cherrish for Crusaders. Yeah, same thing gonna happen to every Arab State one by one. You Arabs have some serious problems in your mentality.

Yes there is only one Turkey. We have no luxury to play soft.

How can Iran transform in to Turkic state?Iran is not a Turkish state.We have a large minority of Azeris and Yes they can also take the lead in Iran.Current Iranian leader in an Azeri.But that doesn't make Iran a Turkish state.

Anyway,I'm telling you,you are too paranoid about what is happening in Turkey.You are seeing Iran as your enemy,just because Iran is a Shia-majority.But you are wrong,once we wer close friends,we can be once again.You might not want your most powerful neighbor as your enemy.Neither Iran wants that.If Iran and Turkey be friends,that will benefit both countries at best.

 

[Abdi-Karim Elmi]

How can Iran transform in to Turkic state?Iran is not a Turkish state.We have a large minority of Azeris and Yes they can also take the lead in Iran.Current Iranian leader in an Azeri.But that doesn't make Iran a Turkish state.

Anyway,I'm telling you,you are too paranoid about what is happening in Turkey.You are seeing Iran as your enemy,just because Iran is a Shia-majority.But you are wrong,once we wer close friends,we can be once again.You might not want your most powerful neighbor as your enemy.Neither Iran wants that.If Iran and Turkey be friends,that will benefit both countries at best.

Turks are closer to iranians than to any arab. Aryan or turkic. The problem is our leaders and theocracies using religion. Take deen out of the equation and turks are more in common with iranians than arabs.

 

[Serpentine]

Turks are closer to iranians than to any arab. Aryan or turkic. The problem is our leaders and theocracies using religion. Take deen out of the equation and turks are more in common with iranians than arabs.

Gotta agree with you on that.With the interactions I had with Turks,I saw we are culturally very close together.I was talking to a Turkish man,I think he was from Istanbul or around.I was surprised how well he knew Iranians and their culture and habits.He brought me some poems from Persian poets,Saadi,Hafez,Molana(Rumi) and others while speaking Persian with a mixed Turkish accent.He knew some of them even better than me,an Iranian.I really liked the man.
btw,I wanted to say,we have much more in common when we talk about cultures,interests and ideals.

 

[Abdi-Karim Elmi]

Gotta agree with you on that.With the interactions I had with Turks,I saw we are culturally very close together.I was talking to a Turkish man,I think he was from Istanbul or around.I was surprised how well he knew Iranians and their culture and habits.He brought me some poems from Persian poets,Saadi,Hafez,Molana(Rumi) and others while speaking Persian with a mixed Turkish accent.He knew some of them even better than me,an Iranian.I really liked the man.
btw,I wanted to say,we have much more in common when we talk about cultures,interests and ideals.

Iran and turkey has 80% of the middle east industry and nearly all of its scientific papers (not including isreali). Pars words are in the turkish language while ataturks reform got rid of arabic words. Plus persian women look hot.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

How can Iran transform in to Turkic state?Iran is not a Turkish state.We have a large minority of Azeris and Yes they can also take the lead in Iran.Current Iranian leader in an Azeri.But that doesn't make Iran a Turkish state.

Anyway,I'm telling you,you are too paranoid about what is happening in Turkey.You are seeing Iran as your enemy,just because Iran is a Shia-majority.But you are wrong,once we wer close friends,we can be once again.You might not want your most powerful neighbor as your enemy.Neither Iran wants that.If Iran and Turkey be friends,that will benefit both countries at best.

Well, appearently many people in Turkish government are as paranoid as I am. The lessons on International relations taught me that there are No friendships but interests.

And No, I dont see Iran as inevitable enemy, but as potential partner in Turkic Union. I love Azeris, Qashgais, Afshars, Turkmens and any other Turkish minorities in Iran.

Sorry, in a world where USA and Russia dictates their rules, we dont have much chance but to play their games. Turkey has taken a risk, instead of sitting idle by. Whether it ends Good or bad, i am in the same ship.

 

[Saithan]

Some few reasons why I don't see Turkey and Iran becoming good friends. Iran supports Armenia which leaves azerbaijan in a pinch. And Iran supports Syria. I can't imagine how much trouble turkish truck drivers are facing in Iran either. but if Russia is an example of how bad it is, then we most certainly don't have anything worth building on.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

One more thing that i forgot to add.

We are experiencing the demise of western civilization. In 20 years from now, west will become a mere shadow of it once was. But Jews are not gonna give up. With USA abandoning his bride Israel amongst hungry wolves, Israel gonna need a new ally to kill and get killed.

They are Kurds, and these Kurds will be used against Turks, Arabs and to some extent Iranians. Pawns are gonna always be pawns. Whether they are controlled by Syrians, Israelis, USA or Russia, it is unimportant for pawns. Pawns hope that they could rise from the misfortune of those around. Well, we ll see about that.

Middleast is one sh.thole.

 

[Surenas]

And No, I dont see Iran as inevitable enemy, but as potential partner in Turkic Union. I love Azeris, Qashgais, Afshars, Turkmens and any other Turkish minorities in Iran.

According to a huge study on y-chromosome in Iran, Azeri's are more related to other Iranians groups than a supposed Turkic origin some people thought.

Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Huge study on Y-chromosome variation in Iran (Grugni et al. 2012)

This is just a new study and quite interesting.

Ontopic: Iran and Turkey could be friends, but the problem is they both have common interests. In the Caucasus, the Middle East and in Central-Asia. Both are 'fighting' for more influence in those regions.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

According to a huge study on y-chromosome in Iran, Azeri's are more related to other Iranians groups than a supposed Turkic origin some people thought.

Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Huge study on Y-chromosome variation in Iran (Grugni et al. 2012)

This is just a new study and quite interesting.

Ontopic: Iran and Turkey could be friends, but the problem is they both have common interests. In the Caucasus, the Middle East and in Central-Asia. Both are 'fighting' for more influence in those regions.

I dont care about Iranian genes. After Syria collapses, the turn will be Iran's. Turkey should decide what to do about it. Perhaps Iran should decide as well.

I dont think an Iranic Iran is a friend where Israel and his allies Kurds try to dominate ME.