Turkey shoots down "Russian Jet" near border

[dadeechi]

What's interesting is that neither France nor Germany are interested in getting involved in a war with Russia but countries like Turkey are getting desperate to get NATO involved in a war with Russia.

This act has permanently closed Turkey's planned SCO membership.

 

[Kamil_baku]

We don't need to shoot down an American Cessna, we bring down their most advanced UAV and they ask it back, only receive a middle finger in response, yes something like that deserves a celebration.

There is a thin line between stupidity and courage, and certainly there is nothing to celebrate about shooting down a Su-24 which is on a ground attack mission, especially when you claim it has only violated your airspace for 17 seconds. Airspace violations happens so regularly in the world.

Turkey violated Iran's airspace in 90s dozens of times, I can already imagine what would some Pakistani members' reaction be if Iran shot down a Turkish jet for violating our airspace for 17 seconds. Hypocrisy at its best.

dude, in 2001, Iran said Azeri oil is Iranian territory and sent its jets to fly over Azerbaijan and navy ships, saying that there would fire if Azeri side dont back up... Turkey sent its 10 F16 to fly over the capitol city, Baku. That was the last time we have seen or heard of Iran passing the borders. Seems like Iranian diplomats knows Turkey better than Putin does...

 

[matmat26]

Turks have show their true colors, Turkey is ISIS.

Yess... Im ISISS... Come ON!

Shitty chinese child ..

 

[T-123456]

What's interesting is that neither France nor Germany is interested in getting involved in a war with Russia but countries like Turkey are getting desperate to get NATO involved in a war with Russia.

This act has permanently closed Turkey's planned SCO membership.

And when did we apply for membership?

 

[Meengla]

I don't think shooting down a Russia plane was a good move by Turkey. I mean we Pakistanis care for Turkey probably more than any other country but when Turkey started its policy against Assad we--at least chunk of us, including me--thought that that was not the right move. And I believe Turkey's situation is MUCH WORSE than what it was before 2011-12. This forum is a witness to how Pakistanis--who are very pro Turkey--have all too often, like me, disapproved Turkish policies in Syria. Our fears are proving right.

Back to topic. Look at the area where the plane was shot down. Plenty of chance for human error on either part. But was shooting necessary? And that too of a Russian plane? Was the Russian plane at all a threat to Turkey in a very narrow war zone area like this place? Perhaps, behind the scene, Uncle Sam has told Turkey to 'escalate'--but beware of Uncle Sam's promises!! Did Turkey have to 'own up' the shooting down? Could they not have kept mum for a while, allowing Russia a 'face saving' by getting away with the 'ground' fire theory?

Sounds to me like Turkish planners have majorly miscalcuated since 2011 and today's incident was just one more.

 

[Nilgiri]

Can any one comment on fact that sending an un escorted bomber near turkish airspace without fighter cover was plain stupid or what?

In a way I bet the Russians wanted this to happen, so now they dont face any major opposition for deploying S-300 systems to take on any Turkish air intrusions.

It was a calculated move by the Russians, and Turks seem to have fallen for it.

 

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To be honest, the situation should be de-escalated and both countries should avoid making rash decisions. Serves no real purpose.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

@Meengla

Bro. How should TuAF know whether it was Syrian or Russian SU-24, there was 2 SU-24 one reacted and stopped violation !
What should be bombed there ? The next ISIL post is 200 km away !
It was a threat against TÜRKMEN's we are responsible for them. We can not allow hundred thousands to cross Turkish boarder as refugees.
EU said secure your boarders and not US.

 

[Nilgiri]

I expect that in the coming hours erdogan will realize how his beloved country is on the verge of being brought back to stone age era, that's why he will cry on his knees while humbly asking for forgiveness from Putin.

still waiting.....

 

[A.M.]

Not a smart move on Turkey's part. And sad to say that Turkey's leadership has been on the wrong end of decision making in this affair a few times.

Cooler heads should have prevailed today but I'm not sure why anyone would expect sane decision making from a leader such as Erdogan.

Turkey isn't prepared to go to war with Russia and neither is NATO. Just an idiotic decision all around.

 

[Kamil_baku]

According to Turkey's letter to the United Nation's Security Council regarding its shooting down of a Russian bomber, the Turkish military did not know the nationality of the plane.

Read more: Turkey Claims No Knowledge Jet Shot Down Near Syrian Border Was Russian

Turkey got one of the best 3D radar there... Of course, by knowing the type of Jet, you can know that only Russians got it... It is called politics dude.. grow up fast please..

 

[anatolia]

...either way, as me said above, Russins cannot do nothing much for the matter, .. for now.. futher down the line .. we see what happens

idont understand where is southern turkey with russian border? what would you feel if our f16s came ukrain and entered russian land from ukrain...you should behave responsible

 

[Nilgiri]

God I left this thread 8 hours ago with just 4 pages look now almost 70 page!!! too many loosers and bored people around.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Nothing dramatic will happen, unlike Turks which are hotheaded Russians are calculated and rational, in war you have casualties, this minor incident is, well it is minor, business as usual for Russians.

the scumbags shot at the pilots and killed one of them and shouted Alan snackbar and all the jihadi BS while celebrating on the corpse of the dead pilot
must be a proud day for NATO for giving a celebration to the scum it vowed to fight after French tragedy

I wonder what is the fate of the corpse and the captured pilot? both might be sold to ISIS so that it can desecrate them to further antagonise the Russians

do note though that FSA trades with ISIS. and ISIS sells oil to you know who

 

[T-123456]

I don't think shooting down a Russia plane was a good move by Turkey. I mean we Pakistanis care for Turkey probably more than any other country but when Turkey started its policy against Assad we--at least chunk of us, including me--thought that that was not the right move. And I believe Turkey's situation is MUCH WORSE than what it was before 2011-12. This forum is a witness to how Pakistanis--who are very pro Turkey--have all too often, like me, disapproved Turkish policies in Syria. Our fears are proving right.

Back to topic. Look at the area where the plane was shot down. Plenty of chance for human error on either part. But was shooting necessary? And that too of a Russian plane? Was the Russian plane at all a threat to Turkey in a very narrow war zone area like this place? Perhaps, behind the scene, Uncle Sam has told Turkey to 'escalate'--but beware of Uncle Sam's promises!! Did Turkey have to 'own up' the shooting down? Could they not have kept mum for a while, allowing Russia a 'face saving' by getting away with the 'ground' fire theory?

Sounds to me like Turkish planners have majorly miscalcuated since 2011 and today's incident was just one more.

No Uncle Sam,he had nothing to do with it,why were those Russian fighters in that area you think,to bomb ISIS where there is no ISIS,doesnt that sound strange?
They were bombing Turkmen positions to help Assad.
This Russian ISIS campaign is just a farce to cover up the real goal,weaken the opposition to Assad.