Turkey says civilians wounded in Syrian missile raids

[PakistaniAtBahrain]

You have a habit of blabbering without presenting any proofs. Who will take you seriously.

i dont know man. maybe if you had been following the syrian war daily like i did, with detailed changes on the map as well, then maybe you would know a thing or two about syria instead of talking shit. i bet you cant even tell me 5 syrian cities without googling.

 

[magra]

i dont know man. maybe if you had been following the syrian war daily like i did, with detailed changes on the map as well, then maybe you would know a thing or two about syria instead of talking shit. i bet you cant even tell me 5 syrian cities without googling.

How is my or your knowledge about Syria have anything to do with the need for proofs?
You are making statements without proof. And before you jump saying that I have no proof.
It is the onus of the party that wants to change the boundaries to present proof to justify its actions.

 

[PakistaniAtBahrain]

How is my or your knowledge about Syria have anything to do with the need for proofs?

what exactly you want proofs for? that the kurds and arabs are at each others throats? that that was one of the reasons why moderate sunnis also supported isis to counter the kurds in areas like raqqa? you want proof that syrians prefer erdogan over assad? did the syrians flee to damascus or istanbul when the war started? have the arabs left the turkish safezone in syria?

you know what. to hell with what i say. so many other people at PDF. go ask them all these questions and peddle your stupidity around and let them have a chance to laugh at you.

 

[magra]

what exactly you want proofs for? that the kurds and arabs are at each others throats? that that was one of the reasons why moderate sunnis also supported isis to counter the kurds in areas like raqqa? you want proof that syrians prefer erdogan over assad? did the syrians flee to damascus or istanbul when the war started? have the arabs left the turkish safezone in syria?

you know what. to hell with what i say. so many other people at PDF. go ask them all these questions and peddle your stupidity around and let them have a chance to laugh at you.

Proof of what legal right Turkey has over Syrian lands

 

[PakistaniAtBahrain]

Proof of what legal right Turkey has over Syrian lands

it doesnt have legal right. when did i say they did? answer, never. i said they have the moral right, because the syrian arabs are happier with turkey than assad. if there is some oil in northern syria, its morally better for turkey to have it so that they can spend it on the syrians instead of it going to assad so he can build more barrel bombs and kill civilians on purpose.

 

[magra]

it doesnt have legal right. when did i say they did? answer, never. i said they have the moral right, because the syrian arabs are happier with turkey than assad. if there is some oil in northern syria, its morally better for turkey to have it so that they can spend it on the syrians instead of it going to assad so he can build more barrel bombs and kill civilians on purpose.

'Moral' right sets a dangerous precedent, as each person / nation interprets morals to their own advantage. This creates endless conflict. Hence there are laws - which takes away the interpretation.
The territory under Assad right now also has a lot of Sunni population. Is Assad killing them? No. Because he wants to rule them, not kill them all. He is obviously pounding towns that are still held by rebels.

 

[PakistaniAtBahrain]

'Moral' right sets a dangerous precedent, as each person / nation interprets morals to their own advantage.

not really. as long as they have the locals support, which they do.

Hence there are laws - which takes away the interpretation.

oh, is that so? lets test that then. in junagarh the ruler chose to join Pakistan. so why did India invade and then conduct the plebiscite instead of letting Pakistan do it?

The territory under Assad right now also has a lot of Sunni population.

many dont have a choice. if they try to leave the regime forces will consider them traitors and we all know what Assad does to those he considers traitors.

Is Assad killing them?

no. the barrel bombs that Assad was dropping in civilian areas were filled with candy.

He is obviously pounding towns that are still held by rebels.

have you seen pictures of the cities and towns he has bombed? looks like stalingrad. he carpet bombed it to oblivion. he will do anything to hold on to power, till the civilians no longer have the will to fight.

 

[magra]

not really. as long as they have the locals support, which they do.

oh, is that so? lets test that then. in junagarh the ruler chose to join Pakistan. so why did India invade and then conduct the plebiscite instead of letting Pakistan do it?

many dont have a choice. if they try to leave the regime forces will consider them traitors and we all know what Assad does to those he considers traitors.

no. the barrel bombs that Assad was dropping in civilian areas were filled with candy.

have you seen pictures of the cities and towns he has bombed? looks like stalingrad. he carpet bombed it to oblivion. he will do anything to hold on to power, till the civilians no longer have the will to fight.

I am not saying that Assad is a benevolent ruler. Most dictators rule for personal benefit. But the effort to replace him has led to greater destruction and suffering for the Syrians. Hence, I am saying that outside intervention should be stopped.

Regarding Junagarh, you had the choice to take the legal route to UN if you felt cheated. You did not and hence the matter was legally settled in India's favor.

 

[PakistaniAtBahrain]

But the effort to replace him has led to greater destruction and suffering for the Syrians.

thanks to iran and russia.

Hence, I am saying that outside intervention should be stopped.

syrians chose to fight instead of being slaves forever.

Regarding Junagarh, you had the choice to take the legal route to UN if you felt cheated. You did not and hence the matter was legally settled in India's favor.

so india did the illegal thing. thanks for clearing it up and proving yourself a hypocrite.

 

[T-SaGe]

Turkey does not want someone else's territory from any country. These allegations are unfounded, on the contrary, Turkish interests rest on Syria's territorial integrity. Turkey declared this over and over and all its actions are related to this. Until today three military operations in Syria were held all are against ISIS and the KCK-linked YPG. Beyond that, all the issues are related to that more than 2 million Syrians who were exiled by the regime and now have to live in containers or tents in border areas; related to the 4 million Syrian refugees it hosts in its territory. Despite all the provocations(or fake supports) Turkey has not declared war on the regime, just wanted to prevent terror corridor on its 900 km long border.

We can discuss each topic with academic rules and documents such as Turkey's current borders, the legal foundations of these borders or gaps between contentious issues, regions occupied by the french detachment in violation of international law after the Mudros ceasefire agreement, or the regions under contentious status and conditional transfers mentioned in the Lausanne Treaty. However, the owners of these claims are so ignorant that they can only uphold their claims at sloganist level. They hope to convince as many people as possible by constantly repeating the same lie.

These psychological attack methods are not new actually. These contents do not circulate one by one, they are shared in dozens of channels one after the other, and the confirmation/rejection reflex of the attacked person/thing is broken. This is the main method used by groups that organize especially through means such as telegram and act in coordination in such forums. During the Afghanistan war especially, the psychological operations carried out by the Indian circles against Pakistan and especially the efforts to mobilize anti-Pakistan view against Pakistan; is just a recent history and I think that every Pakistani member here knows very well. I'm sure one of the purposes of even creating this site was to deal with it. So you can understand at best the motivation behind organized and systemic attacks here.

 

[magra]

thanks to iran and russia.

Are you forgetting the havoc which ISIS did in Syria and Iraq. Russians came in much later. It is thanks to Iran and Russian support that ISIS was defeated.
And dont show your ignorance by saying ISIS was a benevolent side.

so india did the illegal thing. thanks for clearing it up and proving yourself a hypocrite.

If you felt India did illegal, then why did you not approach UN? It is because you knew that India was legally right and you dont stand a chance legally,

 

[PakistaniAtBahrain]

Are you forgetting the havoc which ISIS did in Syria and Iraq.

you dont have shame? you enjoy lying? ISIS wasnt there in syria from day 1 of the syrian civil war. they came afterwards. remember when abu bakr al baghdadi sent a ISIS commander (at the time it was ISI) into Syria, Jolani. this guy formed Nusra, then around 2 years later Baghdadi tried to merge ISI and Nusra, but Jolani refused, then ISI and Nusra became enemies.

fucking hell you bozo. here read the timeline since you werent paying attention as the civil war was unfolding.

Timeline: the Rise, Spread, and Fall of the Islamic State

At its height, the Islamic State - also known as ISIS, ISIL, or Daesh - held about a third of Syria and 40 percent of Iraq. By December 2017 it had lost 95 percent of its territory, including its two biggest properties, Mosul, Iraq's second largest city, and the northern Syrian city of Raqqa...

www.wilsoncenter.org

Russians came in much later. It is thanks to Iran and Russian support that ISIS was defeated.

you lying sack of sh*t. Russia and Iran were there supporting Assad from day 1. DAY 1. their own statements say so.

And dont show your ignorance by saying ISIS was a benevolent side.

ISIS didnt even exist when the syrian war started. they existed as ISI at that time. they had zero presence in Syria. ZERO PRESENCE. even Nusra wasnt there at day 1. retard.

If you felt India did illegal, then why did you not approach UN? It is because you knew that India was legally right and you dont stand a chance legally,

no. clearly the hindus werent going to pick Pakistan over India. Pakistan wanted to be part of the plebiscite, and so did the UN, but India refused. but the fact of the matter is, Junagarh was illegally invaded by india because the instrument of accession to Pakistan was already done. if you say that what india did was legal, despite the instrument of accession, then Kashmir never belonged to india even after the instrument of accession to india was signed.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

lets test that then. in junagarh the ruler chose to join Pakistan. so why did India invade and then conduct the plebiscite instead of letting Pakistan do it?

And Hyderabad.

Please show some restraint brother. Indians cannot reply to this brutal logic.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Considering there is no oil in Turkey part of Syria, all that is smuggled from US part of Syria controlled by SDF.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

If you felt India did illegal, then why did you not approach UN? It is because you knew that India was legally right and you dont stand a chance legally,

You're a bit of a snake aren't you?

You come across initially as a balanced and objectively minded individual, right up until the right sequence of buttons is pushed and the default basic bhakt comes bobbling out.