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Turkey’s $50-billion jet program in question

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The best option is to forget JSF.
TFX will come in three models and at least one of them is multirole/A-G so that will be more than enough for our A-G needs.
Whats more, JSF is turning to a bottomless pit day by day and we better stay away from it.
Why even bother buying it when we develop our own which is almost the same price.
 
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The best option is to forget JSF.
TFX will come in three models and at least one of them is multirole/A-G so that will be more than enough for our A-G needs.
Whats more, JSF is turning to a bottomless pit day by day and we better stay away from it.
Why even bother buying it when we develop our own which is almost the same price.

PM and the Secretary of Defence Industries gonna pick one from the three. If we go with a multirole at the same time, it's gonna decent the budget of our 5th gen Air-superiority-fighter which'll decrease the quality and the dealing the needs of HVKK. We're doin the right thing with hooking up with F-35 program at the same time with TF-X/SF-X.
 
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I don't know why everyone keeps pointing to countries to join the project as if they're just gonna donate mad amounts of cash and buy a few planes. (Saudis)

We need another country thats gonna go buy 100+ more TFX. Egypt, Jordan, Azerbaijan, Pakistan, etc.. Are not going to be able to procure that many fighters right now.

Nor do any of these countries offer much in return of being allowed to co-design the aircraft. I mean, sure. There might be small UAVs being built in these countries, or they might have designed an accessory to go with their store bought weapons but in the long run none of those small technologies help Turkey. We can do all of that. We need help on the big boys like engines and airframe. We're not going to get any help with that.



Keep the F-35. Big powers always have strike craft and air superiority airplanes, not just multirole. Let's build both damnit!
 
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This is not any UAV, it's a male UAV which it's tech is in hand of few countries. You were talking that they can't design anything and I got you this example.

My friend im talking about an aircraft... not a drone... designing a jet is alot more difficult than designing a uav!
 
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My friend im talking about an aircraft... not a drone... designing a jet is alot more difficult than designing a uav!

Then where did Turkey design an aircraft? Everything has a start, I'm talking about cooperation i designing and manufacturing it. Please read the topic from the beginning to get what I'm talking about.
 
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Baykuş;4578824 said:
I'm surprised, to be honest. Seems like I had underestimated their capabilities but I still remain doubtful; many of this products you linked to are either produced under license - meaning that it's close to zero percent domestic innovation involved since much are provided by the original producer as in the means of ToT - or products that aren't nearly as complex as designing and producing aircraft all on your own starting from scratch. Innovation is the keyword here, and many of the projects that you linked to lack any significant amount of it. Don't get me wrong though, what I mean is that even if GCC and Turkey were to lift each other, stretching our arms out to reach the goal, we would still be a bit too short to actually reach all the way to it. Would a joint project work out? Perhaps, but it would require a great amount of patience, innovation and time.



But the political relations between Egypt and Turkey is a little bit shaky. Kinda risky to enter a project of this size with them at the moment.

My friend, neither does Turkey, most of it's arms are JV or TOT.

This is what I'm talking about:

The steps in defense production for a developing nation:

1 Capability of performing simple maintenance
2 Overhaul, refurbishment and rudimentary modification capabilities
3 Assembly of imported components, simple licensed production
4 Local production of components or raw materials
5 Final assembly of less sophisticated weapons; some local component
production.
6 Co-production or complete licensed production of less sophisticated weapons
7 Limited R&D improvements to local license-produced arms
8 Limited independent production of less sophisticated weapons; limited
production of more advanced weapons
9 Independent R&D and production of less sophisticated weapons
10 Independent R&D and production of advanced arms with foreign components
11 Completely independent R&D production
 
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Actually, TF-X program aims to DESIGN a fighter jet which will be able to compete with World air superiority aircrafts. Rest is easier than designing a competitive aircraft fuselage because Turkish industry have impressive infastructure to integrate own gears on an aircraft fuselages.

Air to Ground munitions
-HGK-1
-HGK-2
-HGK-3
-HGK-4
-KGK-1000lb
-KGK-500lb
-NEB
-LGB
-SOM300km
-SOM500km

Air to Air
-Short range IIR guided
-Long range Radar Guided


PODS
-AselPod
-SAR Radar development along with SAR POD
-Electronic warfare/Attack POD
-Electronic Warfare sensors and CHAFF/Flare munitions/central computers


Electronics
-Özgür Mission computer
-Communication devices
-Avionics
-AESA radar development
 
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I don't know why everyone keeps pointing to countries to join the project as if they're just gonna donate mad amounts of cash and buy a few planes. (Saudis)

We need another country thats gonna go buy 100+ more TFX. Egypt, Jordan, Azerbaijan, Pakistan, etc.. Are not going to be able to procure that many fighters right now.

Nor do any of these countries offer much in return of being allowed to co-design the aircraft. I mean, sure. There might be small UAVs being built in these countries, or they might have designed an accessory to go with their store bought weapons but in the long run none of those small technologies help Turkey. We can do all of that. We need help on the big boys like engines and airframe. We're not going to get any help with that.



Keep the F-35. Big powers always have strike craft and air superiority airplanes, not just multirole. Let's build both damnit!

In all of those countries Pakistan has much more experience in the aviation field... Mushak,super mushak trainers,K-8 korakoram eagle,JFT etc etc... but yes... whats the advantage of joining Turkiye in a fighter project... when China is already involved in several such projects... which we can benefit from..

Then where did Turkey design an aircraft? Everything has a start, I'm talking about cooperation i designing and manufacturing it. Please read the topic from the beginning to get what I'm talking about.

Thts what im saying... instead of cooperating with countries tht have almost zero aviation industries... they should hook up with the countries tht have experience in the field...
 
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Then remove all your doubts, aside from their possible substancial financial contribution:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-defence/231406-saudis-aec-develop-f-15sa-sub-systems-amraams.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-d...industries-begin-f-15sa-wings-production.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-d...cally-developed-gyro-stablization-system.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-defence/253079-saudi-psatri-inaugurates-new-research-centers.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-defence/248286-saker-family-saudi-uavs.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...ia-plans-1000-military-industry-projects.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-d...uilding-city-dedicated-military-industry.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-defence/233654-saudi-made-drone-showcased.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-defence/234029-3-saudi-military-uavs-unveiled.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-d...eils-al-tariq-precision-guided-bombs-kit.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...ding-all-tornado-jets-indigenous-systems.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/middle-east-africa/212754-sabic-build-carbon-fiber-plant-kingdom.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-d...ense-radars-electronics-research-program.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-d...ectronics-company-upcoming-defense-giant.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-defence/202517-saudi-arabia-manufacture-f-15sa-wings-locally.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-d...s-saudi-arabia-tot-contract-al-salam-aec.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-defence/195190-saudi-pannesma-signs-jv-rayethon.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/middle-east-africa/190836-psatri-signs-tot-agreement-italian-psa.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...g-500kg-1000kg-variant-ybhon-xtreme-jdam.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...nt-uae-ukranian-helicopter-project-quest.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-forum/133297-yabhon-xtreme-uae-jdam.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-forum/185004-middle-east-propulsion-company-mepc.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-defence/192249-made-uae.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-d...ulti-role-fighter-industrial-partnership.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-d...ae-aerospace-plant-gives-big-lift-airbus.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-d...badala-aerospace-reveals-unmanned-avanti.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-defence/234056-saab-tawazun-create-uae-based-radar-company.html

http://www.defence.pk/forums/arab-defence/229698-ksa-damocles-targeting-pod-eurofighter-typhoon.html

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