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Turkey’s Foreign Ministry has expressed outrage and strong rejection of the labelling of the internationally respected scholarly body, the ‘International Union of Muslim Scholars’ as a ‘terrorist organisation’ by Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain and Egypt.[1]

In a statement, the Turkish Foreign Ministry dubbed the listing as “entirely false”, adding that issuing such decrees at a time Muslims need to unite and work together is a great mistake, feeding only the opponents of Islam.

According to the Foreign Ministry, listing an organisation that gathers scholars known to have never been complicit in terrorist activity contradicts the essence of civilised nations and all conventions of political science and knowledge.

The statement expressed Turkey’s hope that the bloc retracts this “erroneous classification” immediately, and to express the appropriate respect and reverence for the scholars of Islam and the member scholars of the organisation.

The International Union of Muslim Scholars that was legally registered in Dublin, Republic of Ireland in 2004 has since operated from Doha, Qatar and has branches in Egypt and Tunisia. The organisation that aims to gather scholars from across the world under a single, politically independent body is headed by Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi and contains some of the world’s most notable and esteemed scholars such as Sheikh Ahmad Al-Raysouni, Sheikh Ahmad Al-Khalili, Sheikh Islam Al-Basheer, Sheikh Salman Al-Auda and Sheikh Mohammed Al-Hasan Al-Diddo, amongst many others.[2]

The statement comes two days after the nations that imposed a siege on Qatar added the International Union of Scholars, the World Islamic Council and 11 individuals to its ‘terror’ list. A statement by the countries involved in Qatar’s siege said that “the two terrorist organisations are exploiting Islamic discourse to incite terrorism” adding that “the individuals on the list have carried out a number of terrorist operations with Qatar’s funding.”

Rights groups and numerous scholars have expressed similar outrage at the listing.

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Among all these chaos Turkey seems to be a silver lining restoring hope in ME. I envy the turks for the kind of government Allah (swt) blessed them with. This Turkish gov is an absolute gem & an exception among the hopeless pool of dysfunctional, tunnel vision corrupt rulers of the muslim world.

P.S : I am NOT a blind admirer of AKP and Erdogan. But I really am fascinated by his exceptional statesmanship. Turkish political dynamics is different than the rest of the muslim world and it takes bewildering administrative skills to govern such a strategically important but politically & culturally divisive muslim country in a chaotic region for 15 straight year & counting. It will be amazing if Erdogan rules till 2029. Turkey will be Insha'Allah be transformed into a force of stability in the region.


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Turkey’s Foreign Ministry has expressed outrage and strong rejection of the labelling of the internationally respected scholarly body, the ‘International Union of Muslim Scholars’ as a ‘terrorist organisation’ by Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain and Egypt.[1]

In a statement, the Turkish Foreign Ministry dubbed the listing as “entirely false”, adding that issuing such decrees at a time Muslims need to unite and work together is a great mistake, feeding only the opponents of Islam.

According to the Foreign Ministry, listing an organisation that gathers scholars known to have never been complicit in terrorist activity contradicts the essence of civilised nations and all conventions of political science and knowledge.

The statement expressed Turkey’s hope that the bloc retracts this “erroneous classification” immediately, and to express the appropriate respect and reverence for the scholars of Islam and the member scholars of the organisation.

The International Union of Muslim Scholars that was legally registered in Dublin, Republic of Ireland in 2004 has since operated from Doha, Qatar and has branches in Egypt and Tunisia. The organisation that aims to gather scholars from across the world under a single, politically independent body is headed by Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi and contains some of the world’s most notable and esteemed scholars such as Sheikh Ahmad Al-Raysouni, Sheikh Ahmad Al-Khalili, Sheikh Islam Al-Basheer, Sheikh Salman Al-Auda and Sheikh Mohammed Al-Hasan Al-Diddo, amongst many others.[2]

The statement comes two days after the nations that imposed a siege on Qatar added the International Union of Scholars, the World Islamic Council and 11 individuals to its ‘terror’ list. A statement by the countries involved in Qatar’s siege said that “the two terrorist organisations are exploiting Islamic discourse to incite terrorism” adding that “the individuals on the list have carried out a number of terrorist operations with Qatar’s funding.”

Rights groups and numerous scholars have expressed similar outrage at the listing.

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Among all these chaos Turkey seems to be a silver lining restoring hope in ME. I envy the turks for the kind of government Allah (swt) blessed them with. This Turkish gov is an absolute gem & an exception among the hopeless pool of dysfunctional, tunnel vision corrupt rulers of the muslim world.

P.S : I am NOT a blind admirer of AKP and Erdogan. But I really am fascinated by his exceptional statesmanship. Turkish political dynamics is different than the rest of the muslim world and it takes bewildering administrative skills to govern such a strategically important but politically & culturally divisive muslim country in a chaotic region for 15 straight year & counting. It will be amazing if Erdogan rules till 2029. Turkey will be Insha'Allah be transformed into a force of stability in the region.


@Iqbal Ali @war&peace @Psychic @Khafee @Apprentice @Banglar Bir @dsr478 @Zarvan @AUz @Dai Toruko @Verve @HAKIKAT @Arsalan @Samlee @Max @Khafee @jamal18 @Narendra Trump @mb444 @Mirzah @shah_123 @Avicenna
@Meengla @Lagay Raho @Dawood Ibrahim @simple Brain @Malik Abdullah @Mrc @Fledgingwings @tesla @Timur

The Turkish government that was just caught evading sanctions on Iran and thus indirectly helping the Iranian Mullah's? The Turkish government that retains ties with Israel. The Turkish government that is part of NATO. The Turkish government that remains secular. The Turkish government that allows a giant mausoleum to a secular leader (Ataturk) to prevail and 1000's of other visible signs? Where Kemalism has been taught for 100 years in a row and those opposing it are labelled as enemies of the state?

Personally I am indifferent to all this as this is the business of Turkey and Turks and I am not a Turk but I find it astonishing that a person with your Islamist views is now praising Turkey of all regional countries this much.

You must either be a blind MB follower or somehow a fan of Qatar hosting clerics that are openly in support of suicide bombings and Qatar hosting wanted terrorist that are a part of terrorist groups like Al-Shabaab and Al-Nusra.


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Turkey while we speak hosts many people with such views (MB members that escaped to Turkey and are hosted by Erdogan) aside from MB channels that are openly calling for violence in Egypt.

So much double play indeed by that populist individual (Erdogan).

Many Turks outside of PDF (that I know in person, conservative as non-conservative) are not really impressed with Turkey's current situation or the way that Turkey is moving under Erdogan.

As for those scholars, their track record or lack of it is visible for every informed person. An organization where its members (clerics) are openly supporting suicide bombings etc. is useless.



No wonder that Erdogan is in love with Qatar and thus defends this useless organization. He likes the money of Qatar and just like the current al-Thani regime, he is a big fan of the MB as he thinks that he will control the group and he hopes that the group will act as a Turkish proxy for him. That project failed spectacularly in Tunisia, Libya and Egypt. Not to say Syria. That project will fail in every Arab country as educated people know what this is about and won't tolerate it. Exposing them is a duty for every informed Arab.
 
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Many Turks outside of PDF (that I know in person, conservative as non-conservative) are not really impressed with Turkey's current situation or the way that Turkey is moving under Erdogan.
Under post-coup Erdogan, Turkey is destroying all of your accusations. They are getting more anti-NATO, anti-US and anti-Israel. Wallahi you are diverting the attentions, hiding truth and shunting against Turkish Muslims.

I know little about this decision, but when you are trying to offend, i guess they are doing well :)
 
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Wow...See who's talking
Where did the Al-Qaida come from?
What was the nationality of the alleged 9 / 11 plan hijackers?
However I never heard about this organisation before and thus don't know about its members either but if Turkey has rejected, it means they are not terrorists.
 
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The Turkish government that was just caught evading sanctions on Iran and thus indirectly helping the Iranian Mullah's? The Turkish government that retains ties with Israel. The Turkish government that is part of NATO. The Turkish government that remains secular. The Turkish government that allows a giant mausoleum to a secular leader (Ataturk) to prevail and 1000's of other visible signs? Where Kemalism has been taught for 100 years in a row and those opposing it are labelled as enemies of the state?

Personally I am indifferent to all this as this is the business of Turkey and Turks and I am not a Turk but I find it astonishing that a person with your Islamist views is now praising Turkey of all regional countries this much.

You must either be a blind MB follower or somehow a fan of Qatar hosting clerics that are openly in support of suicide bombings and Qatar hosting wanted terrorist that are a part of terrorist groups like Al-Shabaab and Al-Nusra.


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Turkey while we speak hosts many people with such views (MB members that escaped to Turkey and are hosted by Erdogan) aside from MB channels that are openly calling for violence in Egypt.

So much double play indeed by that populist individual (Erdogan).

Many Turks outside of PDF (that I know in person, conservative as non-conservative) are not really impressed with Turkey's current situation or the way that Turkey is moving under Erdogan.

As for those scholars, their track record or lack of it is visible for every informed person. An organization where its members (clerics) are openly supporting suicide bombings etc. is useless.

No wonder that Erdogan is in love with Qatar and thus defends this useless organization. He likes the money of Qatar and just like the current al-Thani regime, he is a big fan of the MB as he thinks that he will control the group and he hopes that the group will act as a Turkish proxy for him. That project failed spectacularly in Tunisia, Libya and Egypt. Not to say Syria.

Well brother you know I am sympathetic to the MB and any force that directly or indirectly stand up for Islamic orthodoxy. AKP lead Turkey is slowly changing in terms of its foreign & defense policy IMHO. The West & Israel is clrearly NOT happy with it as it is with MBS lead KSA. Should NOT the unconditional backing of KSA purge , in favor of MBS, by an anti-islamic bigot like trump , be a red herring for Muslims around the world? MB and parties like it were not a threat to Saudi monarchy and who ever put this paranoia into the mind of saudi royals were enemy of Islam and saudi people. MB could have been an asset to KSA against iranian expansionism. Remember Morsi went against genocidal Assad in syria opposing Iran.

As a muslim I hope for unity, nuance , peace & compromise among different muslim groups. Institutional and governmental stability in Muslim countries where US, Zionazi Nato, EU or Russia or any other foreign power do not get to influence governments, do coups and cause bloodshed. That there is compromise and peaceful power sharing between different factions & groups. But whatever KSA doing is instigating chaos & instability and undoubtedly serving Israel and Western interests. Lets see if MBS's Bloomberg economics creates jobs for saudis or rust belt red neck american south.
 
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Well brother you know I am sympathetic to the MB and any force that directly or indirectly stand up for Islamic orthodoxy. AKP lead Turkey is slowly changing in terms of its foreign & defense policy IMHO. The West & Israel is clrearly NOT happy with it as it is with MBS lead KSA. Should NOT the unconditional backing of KSA purge , in favor of MBS, by an anti-islamic bigot like trump , be a red herring for Muslims around the world? MB and parties like it were not a threat to Saudi monarchy and who ever put this paranoia into the mind of saudi royals were enemy of Islam and saudi people. MB could have been an asset to KSA against iranian expansionism. Remember Morsi went against genocidal Assad in syria opposing Iran.

As a muslim I hope for unity, nuance , peace & compromise among different muslim groups. Institutional and governmental stability in Muslim countries where US, Zionazi Nato, EU or Russia or any other foreign power do not get to influence governments, do coups and cause bloodshed. That there is compromise and peaceful power sharing between different factions & groups. But whatever KSA doing is instigating chaos & instability and undoubtedly serving Israel and Western interests. Lets see if MBS's Bloomberg economics creates jobs for saudis or rust belt red neck american south.

How does MB stand up for orthodox? By its spiritual head openly supporting suicide bombings? What is exactly "orthodoxy" about this? As I see it MB is a political group and acting more like a cult rather than anything. A secretive organization. Does it not make you suspicious when you see what occurred not many years ago? Or that the MB is a darling in the West? Who can forget how openly Obama of all people supported them? Also I would not consider them orthodox but rather populists.

You are naive if you think that Turkey will stop recognizing Israel, leave NATO, stop having dealings with the Mullah's, Russia, abolish Kemalism etc. It's just wishful thinking and I am astonished that Islamists who openly (presumably) deem all Muslim leaders/regimes not to be representatives, would support such people/regimes.

KSA has no problems with Turkey other than their stance on the MB (because it is a destabilizing factor and for the reasons that I mentioned earlier) and Qatar. Erdogan knows who is the de facto leader of the GCC and Arab world and he too wants to have cordial ties with KSA despite those disagreements. KSA and Turkey are not enemies by any means but there are strong disagreements on those two fronts. As well as Egypt although it seems that Erdogan (at least openly) has stopped thinking that Morsi will return.

I do not care about the MB nor monarchies. However what I do care about is security and there not being instability as there is already enough of that as it is.

Not at all. Is that why KSA has the closest economic and political ties of any country in the Middle East with the likes of China and why KSA just opened up a new chapter with Russia although I am personally more indifferent to that as I do not agree with Russia's role in Syria.

On the contrary. KSA is a stabilizing factor in the region while other actors are willing to support cults (Hezbollah, Houthis, Shia militias) or play a double game in Syria or support instability for the sake of the MB in numerous Arab states. MbS priority number one is domestic affairs within KSA as KSA will remain one of the most influential countries in the world regardless due to the ground realities.

I do not know where this Israel nonsense comes into the picture or even the West when KSA is neither a NATO member (the actual Western watch dog) nor do we have economic, military or political dealing with Israel.

Just a few days ago;

Saudi Arabia reaffirms solidarity with Palestinians
RODOLFO C. ESTIMO JR. | Published — Friday 1 December 2017
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Manal Hassan Radwan, political coordinator of Saudi Arabia’s permanent delegation to the UN, delivers her address.

RIYADH: Saudi Arabia reaffirmed its “firm support and full solidarity” with the Palestinian people at the UN on Thursday, the Saudi Press Agency (SPA) reported.
The address at the UN was delivered by Manal Hassan Radwan, political coordinator of Saudi Arabia’s permanent delegation to the UN.
She called for “the establishment of an independent and sovereign state (on) all of the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967.”
Radwan said: “We strongly condemn all... Israeli campaigns on occupied Palestinian territory, and hold Israel alone as the occupying power responsible for its shameful acts of killing innocent Palestinians.”
She highlighted the “destruction of Palestinian land, the destruction of thousands of houses, buildings and infrastructure, all the human and material damage inflicted on the Palestinian people for more than 70 years.”
She said the half-century of occupation and decade of the Gaza blockade will not be forgotten for generations.
“Israel’s aggressive behavior continues to undermine all calls and demands of the international community to stop serious violations, and its commitment to international resolutions and respect for the law,” Radwan added.
“Saudi Arabia calls for the Palestinian cause and its legal, political and humanitarian rights... to be at the forefront of the international community’s concerns, with a view to the immediate implementation of all UN resolutions in this regard.”
She called for immediate international protection for the Palestinians in the occupied territories.
“Saudi Arabia affirms the Islamic, Arab and Palestinian identity of occupied Jerusalem, and East Jerusalem is an integral part of the Palestinian territory occupied by Israel since 1967,” Radwan said.
“Its annexation by Israel... is illegal , unrecognized and condemned by the international community.
“We condemn in the strongest terms the ongoing violations against Al-Aqsa Mosque and worshippers by Israeli occupation forces and settlers.
“We call for an end to these repeated violations and (for) Israel... to respect the rights of freedom of worship and preserve the inviolability of worshippers and holy sites.”
Radwan said: “The Palestinian people have suffered a long period of unjust occupation and... racist policies of oppression, and we commend them for their steadfastness and struggle to defend their land and their sons and sanctities.”
The continuation of Israel’s “illegal settlement practices, the seizure of Palestinian land and expulsion of its indigenous population... is strong proof of its policy of ethnic cleansing,” she added.
“This undermines the two-state solution, and affirms that it (Israel) is not concerned with peaceful solutions, but rather that it seeks to... continue the occupation and deprive the Palestinian people of their rights,” she said.
Meanwhile, Saudi Foreign Minister Adel Al-Jubeir denied the existence of any ties between the Kingdom and Israel when he attended a meeting at the Arab League headquarters in Cairo.
The Arab Peace Initiative (API) remains the path to normalizing relations between Israel and the 22 Arab states, Al-Jubeir added.
Radwan also said: “My country holds Israel... fully responsible for the consequences of the heinous crimes of extremist settlers against the Palestinian people, and calls for the inclusion of settler leaders and extremist settlement groups on the terrorism list.”
She said the API — presented by Saudi Arabia, and adopted by the Arab League and the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) — represented a historic milestone in the quest for a just and comprehensive peace for the Palestinians and all the peoples of the region.

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1201896/saudi-arabia

Radwan in action before;



A brave and a very articulate women.

I don't know where this idea comes from other than the propaganda that Qatari (sadly) and the usual Iranian propaganda outlets are printing 24/7.

Meanwhile Qatar:





As for Turkey; (No need for any evidence here, a simple Google search or search on Youtube will be enough)

It's quite unbelievable that KSA (a country that has actually fought Israel in a war unlike both Qatar and Turkey let alone Iran) is deemed pro-Israel, a country that has donated the most to Palestine, that host 10000 more Palestinians than both Turkey and Qatar combined and a country that has proposed (openly) the most comprehensive peace solution is deemed an "Israeli agent". Only on PDF.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative

What did I tell you about Muslims and ignorance in that other thread? Another confirmation.
 
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The only thing the islam abusers are interested in is their thrones built on the religion and muslims; they do not care global climate issues, extinction of animals, food/water security, health care, education or technology; that is why the ''scholars'' have almost the same title ''Sheik'' as mentioned in the OP.

If checked out, the only thing to be seen is their origin and the network they have in the world, and where the most problems arise in the world.

BTW, they always talk about the ''evil'' NATO, USA, Israel etc., but most of those islam abusers are funded by the same organizations or countries. For example, Even that ''tiny'' Israel has been funding over 70 ''Islamic'' organizations around the world. this union is coincidentally founded in Ireland but operated from Qatar.

Why they feed them has an answer in the OP.
 
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Mecca is occupied my friend, sad truth.

Yes, locals ruling Makkah and Madinah (as for 3000 + years in a row) and during the Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid and Famitid and even Ottoman (The Sharifate of Makkah ruled directly and de facto) are "occupiers". On the other hand people claiming to be from Central Asia and who embraced Islam thanks to those same Arabs, are "locals".

In alternative universe maybe but nothing else is to be expected from a Erdogan drone.

Wow...See who's talking
Where did the Al-Qaida come from?
What was the nationality of the alleged 9 / 11 plan hijackers?
However I never heard about this organisation before and thus don't know about its members either but if Turkey has rejected, it means they are not terrorists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden

Al-Qaeda was created in Afghanistan by a half Yemeni and half Syrian (OBL) that was stripped off his citizenship (that he only gained due to his father's connections with the House of Saud) in 1994 way before any Al-Qaeda terrorism. The spiritual founder of Al-Qaeda was OBL's spiritual leader Abdullah Azzam who was Palestinian.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_Yusuf_Azzam

OBL's personal notes have proved that he was heavily inspired by MB and that he considered Al-Jazeera as the best channel.

An article from 2012;

http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/10/03/osama-bin-laden-and-the-saudi-muslim-brotherhood/

An article from this year after the exposure;

https://www.thenational.ae/world/th...was-shaped-by-the-muslim-brotherhood-1.672646

15 indivduals (mostly of Yemeni origin and picked by OBL himself due to tribal loyalty) are 15 individuals acting on their own behalf and not that of a country let alone KSA. Since the 1970's almost 500.000 Saudi Arabians have been studying in the US. How many terrorist attacks were made by them apart from 9/11. I will tell you.
Zero.

Same can be said about the Egyptian, Emirati and Lebanese individual (s).

BTW I thought that anti-Western Islamists would be happy when the West is targeted, after all this is what many of them dream about. Is that not why pro-Iran Shia Islamists are having seizures each time Iran threatens (but never acts) against the West?

Yes, an organization that is headed by a cleric that openly supports suicide bombings and violence in numerous Arab countries, is not composed of controversial figures at all.:lol:

How many Pakistani suicide bombers have blown themselves up in Pakistan? How can you support clerics that support such un-Islamic filth?
 
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Yes, locals ruling Makkah and Madinah (as for 3000 + years in a row) and during the Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid and Famitid and even Ottoman (The Sharifate of Makkah ruled directly and de facto) are "occupiers". On the other hand people claiming to be from Central Asia and who embraced Islam thanks to those same Arabs, are "locals".

In alternative universe maybe but nothing else is to be expected from a Erdogan drone.
arabs didn't converted central asia... and Islam is the religion of no one... none the arab neither those who proclaim to be.
and when he said occupied... it's the gov... the representation of Saudi monarchy...
 
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arabs didn't converted central asia... and Islam is the religion of no one... none the arab neither those who proclaim to be.
and when he said occupied... it's the gov... the representation of Saudi monarchy...

Islam first reached BOTH Anatolia and Central Asia by the hands of Arabs (Umayyad). That is a historical fact.

Who told you that it was? Do you understand what "by the hands of" means?

And from where is the Saudi Arabian monarchy from? Are they foreigners or are they sons of Arabia? So excuse me if I can't take foreigners who claim ownership of my ancient beautiful land as theirs. Maybe you are fan of such rhetoric but they should stick to claiming Tunisia and you can support them as well. Don't care. Or France instead.
 
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How come every thread include anti shia anti iran rhetoric. You people first need to define yourself either you are like MB, al qaeda, khizer jamaat OR Mbs like secularist. Personally I hate both since even in this thread i can see anti shia nonsense. The binding force or islam to both the fanctions are anti shia.
 
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Islam first reached BOTH Anatolia and Central Asia by the hands of Arabs (Umayyad). That is a historical fact.

Who told you that it was? Do you understand what "by the hands of" means?

And from where is the Saudi Arabian monarchy from? Are they foreigners or are they sons of Arabia? So excuse me if I can't take foreigners who claim ownership of my ancient beautiful land as theirs. Maybe you are fan of such rhetoric but they should stick to claiming Tunisia and you can support them as well. Don't care. Or France instead.
Mecca is the land of no one... but every muslims... no arabs no anatolians not african as a right to own it to "himself"...
But if you want the true meaning behind occupied... here it is... KSA gov do not derserve to have Mecca... They did nothing to honor this chance of having Mecca... none. A country for decades who played in the hands of those who seek power... she played for the benefit of herself... She directly and indirectly supported the darkness of today... ideologically and via funds...

YOu can argue behind it... it' your choice. I don't really care, but it's the majority of the view of the muslims... and what will remain in history...

ps: if you jump on Qatar..;here for you..; it's the same... but they don't have Mecca neither proclaim to lead the muslims...
 
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Mecca is the land of no one... but every muslims... no arabs no anatolians not african as a right to own it to "himself"...
But if you want the true meaning behind occupied... here it is... KSA gov do not derserve to have Mecca... They did nothing to honor this chance of having Mecca... none. A country for decades who played in the hands of those who seek power... she played for the benefit of herself... She directly and indirectly supported the darkness of today... ideologically and via funds...

YOu can argue behind it... it' your choice. I don't really care, but it's the majority of the view of the muslims... and what will remain in history...

What kind of nonsense is that? My family (paternal) is from Makkah and I consider it as my city. Makkah has an 4000 year old history if not a 5000 year old. Makkah is a Hijazi city. It's not an African or Anatolian city let alone a Sri Lankan one.

Don't mix up religion with history, demographics or actual geography. There is a difference between Al-Masjid al-Haram (the most holy site in Islam) and the city and the native people.

Well, your opinion does not matter the slightest. The current government are sons of Arabia and they have 1000 times more legitimacy than a foreign dynasty would have or some "elected" foreign leader.

Don't spread nonsense. KSA turned Makkah and Madinah into top modern cities (an ongoing process) that will serve 10.000 times more pilgrims than just 5 decades ago.

Well, I have breaking news for you. KSA (nation state) is no different to any nation state, including your country of origin (Tunisia) or your country of residence (France) so please cut the comedy and try to convince some ignorant drone instead of your 'unbiased' and 'wise' words.
 
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