Turkey, Iran defy Iraq’s sovereignty in seemingly coordinated strikes

[QWECXZ]

No, if they had a even a better training program they wouldn't have ran away from ISIS back in 2014. Not sure about today, but I expect a similar outcome if ISIS somehow has a resurgence.(soldiers running, and leaving)

Afghan army is fighting a somewhat difficult war that is probably unwinnable against a guerilla force supported by some of the population. They have better training, and equipment then Iraq imo because US has been involved much longer.

They were betrayed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the ISIS advanced in Sunni regions of Iraq like Mosul easily because of betrayal.

But the ISIS in 2014 was much better equipped than the Taliban by all means. And there were some Iraqi people who supported the ISIS.

 

[Philip the Arab]

They were betrayed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the ISIS advanced in Sunni regions of Iraq like Mosul easily because of betrayal.

But the ISIS in 2014 was much better equipped than the Taliban by all means. And there were some Iraqi people who supported the ISIS.

Regardless, their equipment alone would have allowed them to defeat a force like ISIS quite easily.

Taliban is operating on very good geography for their type of war whereas Iraq is very flat and easy for militaries like the US.

 

[QWECXZ]

Regardless, their equipment alone would have allowed them to defeat a force like ISIS quite easily.

Taliban is operating on very good geography for their type of war whereas Iraq is very flat and easy for militaries like the US.

Their equipment in the hands of an independent nation with loyal forces without foreign interference would've defeated the ISIS. But one of the main problems with countries under invasion is that they cannot act independently and their armies are filled with traitors. How can you defeat a group when your soldiers decide to betray you and join them?

In fact that's what invaders have done throughout history. They destroy the country in a way that it cannot stand on its own feet for decades. That's what the US did to Iraq as well.

 

[Muhammed45]

Regardless, their equipment alone would have allowed them to defeat a force like ISIS quite easily.

Taliban is operating on very good geography for their type of war whereas Iraq is very flat and easy for militaries like the US.

ISIS was well Protected. That was why they advanced easily. Americans called it accidental lol
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...VTAeLBXVybYX7X9L-&ampcf=1&cshid=1592576982061

 

[925boy]

They tried, but the soldiers are incompetent at least the non-combat veterans and the airforce are incompetent.

US didnt never tried genuinely as a matter of fact, there is suspicous evidence US helping Iraq was just a part of the military plt for Iraq- remember when ISIS ran over IRaqi military after they just received billions of $ of US equipment but didnt have the organization and skill to use them well? yup US probably planned it. stop being naive.

 

[Saddam Hussein]

Not explaining in detail but ISIS took over Mosul and Fallujah long before 2014, they ran these cities underground many years before the US even left.

This is why Baghdad was seeing car bombings daily in 2009, 2009, 2010... Etc. It only ended after the large military operations in Fallujah and all the other cities. Today you see no car bombings in Baghdad at all.

The main thing they did in 2014 is switch from underground operations to publicly announcing their control. The political atmosphere in Iraq allowed for ISIS takeover, example is the governor of Mosul back then ATHEEL Al nujaifi who cursed the Iraqi army and often prevented them from their mosul deployments.

Iraq's Sunnis were betrayed by their own politicians, they are just another victim in Iraq like anyone else. The army isn't bad anymore it's capable nowadays.

 

[mangekyo]

If I remember correctly, Iran’s FM always complained that US were allowing ISIS soldiers to retreat to US held areas.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

If I remember correctly, Iran’s FM always complained that US were allowing ISIS soldiers to retreat to US held areas.

US tried to bring Daesh to Afghanistan with help of ANA, but Taliban defeated them. The US helicopters airlifed them to safe areas, eventually the Daesh 'surrendered' to ANA became employed by Kabul for other purposes.

After this failure, US decided to talk with Taliban about troop withdrawal.

ISIS was well Protected. That was why they advanced easily. Americans called it accidental lol
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/10/21/u-s-accidentally-delivered-weapons-to-the-islamic-state-by-airdrop-militants-allege/?outputType=amp&ved=2ahUKEwjYiIyri47qAhXRwKQKHSlSAd8QFjABegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw2AYzoVTAeLBXVybYX7X9L-&ampcf=1&cshid=1592576982061

They were trained by IDF and planted inside Western Iraq. Locals had genuine grievances against oppressive Shia dominated regime in Iraq. They used that discontent to advance their aims.

US airdropped supplies to them calling it accidents and withdrew from bases to provide weapons, ammo, and vehicles for them.

When they entered Syria, they fought mainly Sunni resistance and therefore helped Assad regime indirectly. Same regime painted all resistance in negative light refferring to Sunni fights as Daesh.

Then US had an excuse to enter Syria and arm PKK. Assad regime got. New lease on life.

And you must get used to Cha-Bahar.

Pakistanis will never accept it. I am just letting you know.

We defeated Indians in Afghanistan and kicked them out. We are not going to allow Iran to host them on our Western border.

It would be good for Iran to take Pakistan's security paradigm into sccount if it wants better relations.

BLF, BLA, etc. Also are a consistent problem from Iran.

 

[mangekyo]

We defeated Indians in Afghanistan and kicked them out. We are not going to allow Iran to host them on our Western border.

We don’t hist foreign armies and let them airstrike our citizens with drones. But even if we did host anyone, Pakistan has no say in it. No offense, but you are not a superpower, you are not even a regional power.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

But even if we did host anyone, Pakistan has no say in it.

Pakistan policy will always be based around any country which supports Indian terrorist proxies.

We are not blind, we know Iran is funding terrorism and providing cover for terrorism.

Alhamdulilah we have ended it in Afghanistan.

 

[mangekyo]

Pakistan policy will always be based around any country which supports Indian terrorist proxies.

We are not blind, we know Iran is funding terrorism and providing cover for terrorism.

Alhamdulilah we have ended it in Afghanistan.

We don't receive aid from anyone, so we don't need to do such things in return. You on the other hand take aid from US and Saudi, they don't give you aid for fun do they? Didn't think so.

 

[Max]

We don’t hist foreign armies and let them airstrike our citizens with drones. But even if we did host anyone, Pakistan has no say in it. No offense, but you are not a superpower, you are not even a regional power.

Do we need your validation for our military might and role in the region.

We don't receive aid from anyone, so we don't need to do such things in return. You on the other hand take aid from US and Saudi, they don't give you aid for fun do they? Didn't think so.

Neither we, Trump cancelled all our aid bcoz of Taliban in his early days. They are not even handling cobra helis for which we paid. They are upset with CPEC and our alliance with China hence facilitating India Iran ties by giving waivers.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

We don't receive aid from anyone, so we don't need to do such things in return. You on the other hand take aid from US and Saudi, they don't give you aid for fun do they? Didn't think so.

If it helps you sleep at night.

We had a contractional relationship with the US, and same for KSA. There are no free rides.

Rein in your anti-Pakistanism.

Maybe send Indians a few shipments of bandages for their humiliation in Ladakh.

We don’t hist foreign armies and let them airstrike our citizens with drones. But even if we did host anyone, Pakistan has no say in it. No offense, but you are not a superpower, you are not even a regional power.

When was the last drone in Pakistan and Afghanistan?

However US fired a missile and killed your commander in Iraq. Mabrook.

 

[mangekyo]

Do we need your validation for our military might and role in the region.

Your fellow countryman was indirectly suggesting that somehow Pakistan will invade Iran. I was pointing out that you have no military might and role in the region.

Neither we, Trump cancelled all our aid bcoz of Taliban in his early days. They are not even handling cobra helis for which we paid. They are upset with CPEC and our alliance with China hence facilitating India Iran ties by giving waivers.

You have received close to 100 billion dollars in aid from US, everyone knows US doesn't give anyone money because of their good hearts. Trump cut your aid, but you still receive aid from US, and you still receive from Saudi. We have no reason to host any terrorists in our borders, you on the other hand, well, no reason to point out the obvious.

However US fired a missile and killed your commander in Iraq. Mabrook.

And we leveled their bases in Iraq, more has yet to come when it benefits us the most. What did you do to answer for the thousands of drone victims?

 

[Zhukov]

What Iraqi Government sovereignty. Isnt that area under Iraqi Kurdistan Control?
What sovereignty Baghdad have over those kurdish lands?