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Monday, August 22, 2011
ÜMT ENGNSOY
ANKARA Hürriyet Daily News

Besides an ongoing plan to develop a fighter jet program with the US or Europe, Turkey is seeking to broaden its fleet with a second option. South Koreas KAI and Swedens Saab are the two possible partners, according to a Turkish procurement official. Turkey is supposed to take part in the design of the possible project

Turkey recently had held separate talks with aeronautical officials from South Korea and Sweden for possible cooperation in the design, development and production of a new fighter aircraft in the next decade, a senior procurement official said at the weekend.

The companies are South Koreas Korea Aerospace Industries [KAI] and Swedens Saab, the official said.

KAI is the manufacturer of several military and civilian aircraft and satellites and is planning to produce the fighter aircraft KF-X. Saab is the maker of the multi-role fighter JAS 39 Gripen.

Turkey, whose present fighter fleet is made up of U.S.-made aircraft, also plans to buy the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Lightning II planes, a next-generation, multinational program also led by the United States.

But Turkish officials privately say they want another future jet fighter to be developed with a country or countries other than the United States, in an effort to reduce the countrys dependence on Washington.

Most of Turkeys present fleet of F-16 fighters, being modernized by U.S. firm Lockheed Martin, and the planned future F-35s are open to U.S. influence. Only its older F-4 aircraft, modernized by Israel, and its oldest F-16s, being modernized by Turkey itself, technologically are free from this influence, the officials said. But these older aircraft are expected to be decommissioned around 2020.

Turkey wants part of its fighter aircraft fleet to remain outside the technological and other influence of the United States. It believes this scheme would better fit its national interests, said one Turkish defense analyst.

So as part of efforts to select a new fighter for the Turkish Air Force, Turkish Aerospace Industries, or TAI, has been tasked with determining the specifications of the new fighter. It has until the end of next year to finish the process.

Turkey in the past has assembled and jointly manufactured some military aircraft, but this is the first time the countrys developing defense industry fully will be involved in the design of a complex weapons system, such as a jet fighter.

The country last year held an initial round of talks with South Koreas KAI on the matter. But the South Koreans then offered only a 20 percent share of the project to Turkey, with another 20 percent going to Indonesia, opting for 60 percent of the program for themselves. Turkey wants an equal share in the development of a new plane and was quick to reject the offer.

Now the South Koreans are coming much closer to the idea of equal ownership, and this is positive, said the Turkish procurement official. But there are still many more things to be discussed with them.


In the meantime, Turkey continues to be interested in rival programs, and the recent talks with Saab officials reflect this situation, the procurement official said. Sweden also is a potential partner for us.

In addition to KAI and Saab, a consortium of European companies, also continues efforts to include Turkey in its program for the Eurofighter Typhoon project. This consortium is Eurofighter, whose members include Italian, German, British and Spanish firms.

Italys deputy defense minister said in May that the pan-European Eurofighter Typhoon fighter aircraft was the only viable alternative to U.S. planes in this category, urging Turkey to join the ambitious European-led defense program.

The Eurofighter is the only alternative to U.S. aircraft, and provides a great relief to world countries, Guido Crosetto said in Istanbul on the sidelines of the International Defense Industry Fair 2011.
 
I want "fresh blood" in the "old market" I think South Korea sounds like a viable option. Also I think Saab (automobile) is experiencing some problems with capital, perhaps a turkish (TOFAS) should buy that damn thing and produce the cars in turkey.
 
best Side-Option for a new Fighter jet is without any doubt KAI, Saab already is swimming in dept they selled alot of there shares to china. Bankrupted morons
 
best Side-Option for a new Fighter jet is without any doubt KAI, Saab already is swimming in dept they selled alot of there shares to china. Bankrupted morons

the sweds still have nice designs though :tup:
 
best Side-Option for a new Fighter jet is without any doubt KAI, Saab already is swimming in dept they selled alot of there shares to china. Bankrupted morons

If one looks at the results for SAAB for the last two years. Can you help me find where it says SAAB is "swimming in dept and they selled lot of shares to china". Hope you are not mixing up SAAB Automobiles with SAAB Aerospace/Defence.
Figures for last two years in Million Swedish Kronors:
1 January – 31 December
MSEK 2010 2009
Sales 24,434 24,647
Gross income 5,591 6,137
Other op. income 222 149
Income+ taxes 776 976
Taxes 15 -322 -277
Net income 454 699
 
If one looks at the results for SAAB for the last two years. Can you help me find where it says SAAB is "swimming in dept and they selled lot of shares to china". Hope you are not mixing up SAAB Automobiles with SAAB Aerospace/Defence.
Figures for last two years in Million Swedish Kronors:
1 January – 31 December
MSEK 2010 2009
Sales 24,434 24,647
Gross income 5,591 6,137
Other op. income 222 149
Income+ taxes 776 976
Taxes 15 -322 -277
Net income 454 699

people shouldnt under estimate swedish people. they have come a very long way. something a lot of norwegians point out is that swedes have a very bad plane in comparison to what norway has, but they forget that the swedish defence sector is way bigger than the norwegian one. i admire the swedish fighter planes. :tup:
 
If one looks at the results for SAAB for the last two years. Can you help me find where it says SAAB is "swimming in dept and they selled lot of shares to china". Hope you are not mixing up SAAB Automobiles with SAAB Aerospace/Defence.
Figures for last two years in Million Swedish Kronors:
1 January – 31 December
MSEK 2010 2009
Sales 24,434 24,647
Gross income 5,591 6,137
Other op. income 222 149
Income+ taxes 776 976
Taxes 15 -322 -277
Net income 454 699

Ignore the idiots,
possible design if saab is chosen
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To be honest I think that it'll be KAI because we have had dealings with South Korea before (Altay MBT), so I think the swedes need to come up with a very sweet deal before they can win. Perhaps tech transfer as part of the deal might do it.
 
Ignore the idiots,
possible design if saab is chosen
ksaab78xp4.jpg

if Turkey accepts to co-operate with Sweden, is this the plane that will be made?

and what is the koreans offer? do they have a better alternative, from what i have seen i want a co-operation with Sweden!!!
:victory:

will Turkey be able to sell them to an another country no matter wich one they choose?
 
Picture from signiture ceremony day for commencing the conceptual design phase of Turkish advanced trainer and Turkish stealth aircraft held in 1 days ago...

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IMZA_TOREN_K.jpg
 
I hope we will work with Korea one more time again. I know that SAAB has much more experiences but would they share their experences with us? Tukiye wants work together and also tech transfer....
 
Turkey Holds Fighter Talks With S. Koreans, Swedes
By UMIT ENGINSOY and BURAK EGE BEKDIL
Published: 25 Aug 2011 11:00

ANKARA, Turkey - Turkey has held separate talks with aeronautical officials from South Korea and Sweden for possible cooperation in the design, development and production of a new fighter aircraft in the next decade, a senior procurement official said.

"The companies are South Korea's Korea Aerospace Industries, or KAI, and Sweden's Saab," the official said.

KAI is the manufacturer of several military and civilian aircraft and satellites and is planning to produce the KF-X fighter aircraft. Saab makes the multirole fighter JAS 39 Gripen.

Turkey, whose present fighter fleet is made up of U.S.-made aircraft, also plans to buy the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, a next-generation, multinational program also led by the United States.

But Turkish officials privately say they want to develop another future jet fighter with a country other than the United States to reduce Turkey's overdependence on Washington. Most of Turkey's fleet of F-16 fighters, being modernized by Lockheed Martin, and the planned future F-35s are open to U.S. technological influence. Only its older F-4 aircraft, modernized by Israel, and its oldest F-16s, being modernized by Turkey itself, are free from this influence, the officials said. But these older aircraft are expected to be decommissioned around 2020.

As part of efforts to select a new fighter, Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) has been tasked to determine the specifications of the new fighter by the end of 2012.

Turkey late last year held an initial round of talks with KAI on this matter, but the South Koreans offered to share only 20 percent of the project with Turkey, with another 20 percent going to Indonesia while keeping the remaining 60 percent for themselves. Turkey wants an equal share in the development and was quick to reject this offer.

"Now the South Koreans are coming much closer to an idea of an equal ownership, and this is positive," the Turkish procurement official said. "But there are still many more things to be discussed with the Koreans."

In the meantime, Turkey continues to be interested in rival programs, and the recent talks with Saab officials reflect this situation, the procurement official said. "Sweden also is a potential partner for us."

In addition to KAI and Saab, the Eurofighter consortium continues efforts to include Turkey in its Eurofighter Typhoon project.

Italian Deputy Defense Minister Goido Crosetto said in May that the pan-European Eurofighter Typhoon was the only viable alternative to U.S. planes in this category and urged Turkey to join the European-led defense program.

Turkey Holds Fighter Talks With S. Koreans, Swedes - Defense News
 
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